Alleged teacher shortage

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Anonymous wrote:Just go to the Employment section of the FCPS website. You will see the pages and pages of jobs. They are in all areas and at all grade levels.

I paid attention for the first time this school year and noticed that there were pages of jobs available all year long. Usually positions are filled by Sept 1 or August at the latest. That wasn’t the case this year.

I spoke with someone in leadership about it once during casual conversation and they confirmed that yes the shortage is real.

There are 113 openings advertised. https://careers.fcps.edu/vl/vacancy.htm ...and that includes all full and part time teacher scale positions.

That's a vacency rate of .0061

That's really, really low.

Nope, there is no shortage.

It doesn't seem like a shortage until there's 25 to 35 kids in your class. Then it definitely is!

Correct. A shortage doesn’t mean “zero teachers .” It means “every teacher have has 40 students instead of 20.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Experienced principal here. The teacher shortage is real. It keeps getting worse. Whoever is saying there is no shortage doesn’t know what they’re saying.

If there are enough certified teachers to fill these position but choose not to, it's not a shortage. Public education is losing teachers left and right. Not just unprepared teachers either. But the school districts only care about filling the positions, not why the teachers left. I have half a dozen friends that I can think of off the top of my head who are certified and could step into a classroom at any time but they don't want to.

Stop being ridiculous. If they are open jobs that cannot be filled because there's not enough people to fill them (no matter the reason), there is a shortage.

If there is a shortage and there aren’t enough applicants, then the school district needs to raise pay until they do get applicants. It is the law of supply and demand. And yes I know the county won’t like it. But if you have a labor shortage, that’s what you do.

5th year teaching. 60k. I feel like a peasant.

Want to be an aide to a school board member? That starts at $64K and there are 12 newly posted positions.

Isn’t the contract about 60 days longer for the SB aide?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just go to the Employment section of the FCPS website. You will see the pages and pages of jobs. They are in all areas and at all grade levels.

I paid attention for the first time this school year and noticed that there were pages of jobs available all year long. Usually positions are filled by Sept 1 or August at the latest. That wasn’t the case this year.

I spoke with someone in leadership about it once during casual conversation and they confirmed that yes the shortage is real.

There are 113 openings advertised. https://careers.fcps.edu/vl/vacancy.htm ...and that includes all full and part time teacher scale positions.

That's a vacency rate of .0061

That's really, really low.

Nope, there is no shortage.

It doesn't seem like a shortage until there's 25 to 35 kids in your class. Then it definitely is!

Correct. A shortage doesn’t mean “zero teachers .” It means “every teacher have has 40 students instead of 20.”

Exactly. I can manage 35-40 per class doing DL. There is no way I can manage in person with the current class sizes because my classroom just isn't big enough to handle close to 40. Forget about hybrid - two classes of 20 per half day isn't going to work because there is no social distancing.

Parents need to get real. Your refusal to adapt to DL is the biggest problem we have right now because the logistics of hybrid and f2f for all just don't work. We don't have enough teachers!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Experienced principal here. The teacher shortage is real. It keeps getting worse. Whoever is saying there is no shortage doesn’t know what they’re saying.

If there are enough certified teachers to fill these position but choose not to, it's not a shortage. Public education is losing teachers left and right. Not just unprepared teachers either. But the school districts only care about filling the positions, not why the teachers left. I have half a dozen friends that I can think of off the top of my head who are certified and could step into a classroom at any time but they don't want to.

Stop being ridiculous. If they are open jobs that cannot be filled because there's not enough people to fill them (no matter the reason), there is a shortage.

If there is a shortage and there aren’t enough applicants, then the school district needs to raise pay until they do get applicants. It is the law of supply and demand. And yes I know the county won’t like it. But if you have a labor shortage, that’s what you do.

5th year teaching. 60k. I feel like a peasant.

Then you’re looking at this the wrong way. That’s 60k for probably 200 contract days? That’s equivalent to 78k for a 12 month employee. After 5 years that isn’t so bad!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If residential colleges are opening (most in VA are) I don’t see how K-12 stays closed.

Could it be that colleges are businesses that need to stay open for economic reasons? K-12 it's not a business.

Its even more important than a regular business! Its an essential service! It should be LESS likely to close than a business, not more likely!

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https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/255/585020.page

Because it’s awfully stressful for the pay? People are ungrateful and think you’re an idiot if you’re a teacher? You remember you’re actually smart and hate the disrespect and begin the process to leave...

Seriously. No one ever thought I was stupid. But since I’m a teacher I apparently am? Okay!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/255/585020.page

Because it’s awfully stressful for the pay? People are ungrateful and think you’re an idiot if you’re a teacher? You remember you’re actually smart and hate the disrespect and begin the process to leave...

Seriously. No one ever thought I was stupid. But since I’m a teacher I apparently am? Okay!

If you have such marketable skills and hate your current job, why are you still a teacher? Your story isn't checking out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Experienced principal here. The teacher shortage is real. It keeps getting worse. Whoever is saying there is no shortage doesn’t know what they’re saying.

If there are enough certified teachers to fill these position but choose not to, it's not a shortage. Public education is losing teachers left and right. Not just unprepared teachers either. But the school districts only care about filling the positions, not why the teachers left. I have half a dozen friends that I can think of off the top of my head who are certified and could step into a classroom at any time but they don't want to.

Stop being ridiculous. If they are open jobs that cannot be filled because there's not enough people to fill them (no matter the reason), there is a shortage.

If there is a shortage and there aren’t enough applicants, then the school district needs to raise pay until they do get applicants. It is the law of supply and demand. And yes I know the county won’t like it. But if you have a labor shortage, that’s what you do.

5th year teaching. 60k. I feel like a peasant.

Then you’re looking at this the wrong way. That’s 60k for probably 200 contract days? That’s equivalent to 78k for a 12 month employee. After 5 years that isn’t so bad!

Uh, your hypothesis don’t work. I only see 60k in my account (not even cause you need to substract the robbing sorry taxes)
After 12 months. Not 78.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Experienced principal here. The teacher shortage is real. It keeps getting worse. Whoever is saying there is no shortage doesn’t know what they’re saying.

If there are enough certified teachers to fill these position but choose not to, it's not a shortage. Public education is losing teachers left and right. Not just unprepared teachers either. But the school districts only care about filling the positions, not why the teachers left. I have half a dozen friends that I can think of off the top of my head who are certified and could step into a classroom at any time but they don't want to.

Stop being ridiculous. If they are open jobs that cannot be filled because there's not enough people to fill them (no matter the reason), there is a shortage.

If there is a shortage and there aren’t enough applicants, then the school district needs to raise pay until they do get applicants. It is the law of supply and demand. And yes I know the county won’t like it. But if you have a labor shortage, that’s what you do.

5th year teaching. 60k. I feel like a peasant.

Then you’re looking at this the wrong way. That’s 60k for probably 200 contract days? That’s equivalent to 78k for a 12 month employee. After 5 years that isn’t so bad!

Uh, your hypothesis don’t work. I only see 60k in my account (not even cause you need to substract the robbing sorry taxes)
After 12 months. Not 78.

DP. Almost every teacher I know gets a summer job.

Or, if you've got school-age kids, you end up saving a substantial amount of money on child care.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a school administrator in FCPS, I’ll agree with many who say that it’s not necessarily difficult to staff the schools (unless maybe you’re a poorly run Title I with a teacher exodus), but I will say that the QUALITY of candidate is declining. Whereas 5 years ago we were still pulling from B+ and A- candidates in July and August, waiting to hire now until that time is getting you Cs and Ds. I’d encourage folks to re-center part of this discussion on teacher quality rather than quantity. My worry is that some of the best and brightest that once saw K12 as a calling to a fulfilling career and good retirement and no longer doing so... this unfortunately leads to negative outcomes for our students.

Maybe poor school administration has something to do with it

I’m not sure whether you’re referring to school-based or district leadership, but I find it hard to believe that principals are responsibility for which major kids are choosing in college

Its probably just the low salaries and the high cost of living. I would not encourage my child to become a teacher.

Yep. We were at a McLean school and this happened to his teachers: K teacher married a lawyer, moved for his job; 1st grade teacher couldn't afford the COL and moved to Pittsburgh; 2nd grade teacher married an older professionally established guy and SAH; 3rd grade teacher moved into administration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just go to the Employment section of the FCPS website. You will see the pages and pages of jobs. They are in all areas and at all grade levels.

Parents need to get real. Your refusal to adapt to DL is the biggest problem we have right now because the logistics of hybrid and f2f for all just don't work. We don't have enough teachers!

"Parents need to get real?" We are doing your jobs as well as our own. I have received 2 emails in past week from my son's teacher, saying I need to proctor exams for him -- he is 6.

One math lesson last week was a game to be played with an available parent during class time. All assignments require significant tech work by parents.

It is a wonderful world when you can simply outsource your job, but most of us dont live in that reality.

[Anonymous]

12 pages of foolishness and WaPo today put it clear for you bufoons. No teachers = no in-person.

Need a PowerPoint with it or is it clear now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Experienced principal here. The teacher shortage is real. It keeps getting worse. Whoever is saying there is no shortage doesn’t know what they’re saying.

If there are enough certified teachers to fill these position but choose not to, it's not a shortage. Public education is losing teachers left and right. Not just unprepared teachers either. But the school districts only care about filling the positions, not why the teachers left. I have half a dozen friends that I can think of off the top of my head who are certified and could step into a classroom at any time but they don't want to.

Stop being ridiculous. If they are open jobs that cannot be filled because there's not enough people to fill them (no matter the reason), there is a shortage.

If there is a shortage and there aren’t enough applicants, then the school district needs to raise pay until they do get applicants. It is the law of supply and demand. And yes I know the county won’t like it. But if you have a labor shortage, that’s what you do.

5th year teaching. 60k. I feel like a peasant.

Then you’re looking at this the wrong way. That’s 60k for probably 200 contract days? That’s equivalent to 78k for a 12 month employee. After 5 years that isn’t so bad!

Uh, your hypothesis don’t work. I only see 60k in my account (not even cause you need to substract the robbing sorry taxes)
After 12 months. Not 78.

DP. Almost every teacher I know gets a summer job.

Or, if you've got school-age kids, you end up saving a substantial amount of money on child care.

Who hires for 8 weeks? Serious question.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Experienced principal here. The teacher shortage is real. It keeps getting worse. Whoever is saying there is no shortage doesn’t know what they’re saying.

If there are enough certified teachers to fill these position but choose not to, it's not a shortage. Public education is losing teachers left and right. Not just unprepared teachers either. But the school districts only care about filling the positions, not why the teachers left. I have half a dozen friends that I can think of off the top of my head who are certified and could step into a classroom at any time but they don't want to.

Stop being ridiculous. If they are open jobs that cannot be filled because there's not enough people to fill them (no matter the reason), there is a shortage.

If there is a shortage and there aren’t enough applicants, then the school district needs to raise pay until they do get applicants. It is the law of supply and demand. And yes I know the county won’t like it. But if you have a labor shortage, that’s what you do.

5th year teaching. 60k. I feel like a peasant.

Then you’re looking at this the wrong way. That’s 60k for probably 200 contract days? That’s equivalent to 78k for a 12 month employee. After 5 years that isn’t so bad!

Uh, your hypothesis don’t work. I only see 60k in my account (not even cause you need to substract the robbing sorry taxes)
After 12 months. Not 78.

DP. Almost every teacher I know gets a summer job.

Or, if you've got school-age kids, you end up saving a substantial amount of money on child care.

Who hires for 8 weeks? Serious question.

Summer camps, parents who need nannies, pools, restaurants.

[Anonymous]

A beloved 6th grade teacher at the school my child attended last year put in her retirement papers a year early this month. An FCPS ES. They are not rehiring for her position...all the kids are getting broken out into all the other teachers’ classes.

At the same school, another teacher just resigned because she would have to return in the first cohort and it was too risky for her family.