Alleged teacher shortage

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Anonymous wrote:There isn’t a shortage. There are enough certified teachers to work but they are choosing not to. Of course, the school districts don’t care about why teachers leave.

This is false. Less people are majoring in education. There is data to support it.

Teachers don't typically major in education--they major in a subject (e.g., literature, biology, math, history) and then get their licenses through an education program. This is required in VA. Only in the past couple years have undergraduate education programs even been allowed (the state did this to address the teacher shortage which is definitely real). But in VA you don't major in education, you major in whatever your academic subject is and enroll in an education licensure program.

Not true for elementary education. That is its own major and has been.

Correct. All teachers I know in ES majored in Elementary Education.

Not all states allow this. It was either a minor or added endorsement when I was in college

Well VA does and has since forever, and this is the VA Schools forum sooooo......

Most teachers I know did not go to college in Virginia sooooo...

Huh, that’s interesting. Nearly every single one of my middle schooler’s teachers were JMU grads. Some of the counselors, too.

The majority of FCPS teachers have graduated from Virginia public colleges.

Where are you getting your data?

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Anonymous wrote:Per the Superintendent’s email, things are fine.

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Anonymous wrote:There isn’t a shortage. There are enough certified teachers to work but they are choosing not to. Of course, the school districts don’t care about why teachers leave.

This is false. Less people are majoring in education. There is data to support it.

Teachers don't typically major in education--they major in a subject (e.g., literature, biology, math, history) and then get their licenses through an education program. This is required in VA. Only in the past couple years have undergraduate education programs even been allowed (the state did this to address the teacher shortage which is definitely real). But in VA you don't major in education, you major in whatever your academic subject is and enroll in an education licensure program.

Not true for elementary education. That is its own major and has been.

Correct. All teachers I know in ES majored in Elementary Education.

Not all states allow this. It was either a minor or added endorsement when I was in college

Well VA does and has since forever, and this is the VA Schools forum sooooo......

Most teachers I know did not go to college in Virginia sooooo...

Huh, that’s interesting. Nearly every single one of my middle schooler’s teachers were JMU grads. Some of the counselors, too.

The majority of FCPS teachers have graduated from Virginia public colleges.

Where are you getting your data?

There was a report on this a few years back (when VA was first considering offering an undergraduate elementary degree). Don't know how to locate it now. Probably somewhere on the SCHEV site.

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Anonymous wrote:As a teacher it seems to me like there is a "war on teachers" coming from politicians who don't want to fund them, principals who want to fire them if they don't inflate the grades for the ones who don't show up, and even the union, which won't protect them for doing a tough job when the kids want to watch movies and play videogames all class. Kids don't want to work, principals don't want to work and they make teachers do a stressed-out song and dance, and then pressure them to fraudulently send as many people into student debt. It is a big corrupt machine of debt creation. Then teachers are fired. The reason no one wants to teach is because they hear the horror stories. MCPS is the worst. Even if you are a great teacher the behavior of the kids sucks because there is no professionalism or support coming out of administration. You're basically halfway fired on the day that you're hired.

Fixed it for you, "teacher." If you are, in fact, a teacher, I'm not surprised that MCPS administrators might be rethinking your employment.

Wow. The post from the teacher sounds like it truly is from a teacher. I assume the 2nd poster replying to the teacher is one of those parents who hates teachers, thinks it’s an easy job (ha ha ha!!!), and wants her darling little ones to get passing grades even if they do nothing and they’re the type of parent who is totally fine with their kids doing nothing.

Doing nothing and passing won’t prepare your kids for future college or employment. It’s too bad so many parents and admin don’t get that.

I'm a young teacher and the things the first poster said started to dawn on me a few weeks ago. The disconnect between the job I thought I was getting into and the job I've gotten into are frankly pretty awful, and I will be getting out whenever I can.

I don't think that the higher ups set out to let failing students pass, but I presume there are accreditation and other state or federal-level pressures that put 100% of the burden of having students pass on the school system and therefore on the teachers. We have students coming to us from MS with grades that are unimaginable given their paltry or sometimes total lack of knowledge. We also have students who are about to graduate and are headed to college and aren't even performing at the middle school level in my subject.

The common thread is that they don't listen, don't study, don't do homework and don't seek help, except sometimes the last week of the quarter when they want to know "how I can improve my grade" or worse, "what can WE do about my grade", as if it suddenly were my responsibility to get them to pass. Many of these kids are not deprived--they have other priorities, which often include hours and hours of sports outside of school. I guess they know the drill?

Imagine being a doctor with a long-term alcoholic patient, who demands that you give them a clean bill of health in spite of their advanced cirrhosis.

The parents who are pushing for higher grades to send these students to college are fooling themselves.

It's frustrating for parents, too, because how are we to know that our children aren't learning the subject matter if they come home with good grades and pass? It's not like in ES when you can see that your child didn't learn how to read or doesn't know their multiplication tables.

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We had a science teacher quit today when his offer letter from a job he applied for in May finally came through.

Good for him, but ughh it feels like those of us who are committed to staying are going down with a sinking ship.

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Anonymous wrote:We had a science teacher quit today when his offer letter from a job he applied for in May finally came through.

Good for him, but ughh it feels like those of us who are committed to staying are going down with a sinking ship.

Our administration is pretending nothing is wrong and is doubling down on the extra duties and expectations that have nothing to do with teaching. The principal blames the faculty for bad student behavior last year, so from her perspective, she is battening down the hatches. In reality, she is creating a prison-like environment for both teachers and students, so I imagine we will lose more good instructors at the end of the year.

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Anonymous wrote:We had a science teacher quit today when his offer letter from a job he applied for in May finally came through.

Good for him, but ughh it feels like those of us who are committed to staying are going down with a sinking ship.

Our administration is pretending nothing is wrong and is doubling down on the extra duties and expectations that have nothing to do with teaching. The principal blames the faculty for bad student behavior last year, so from her perspective, she is battening down the hatches. In reality, she is creating a prison-like environment for both teachers and students, so I imagine we will lose more good instructors at the end of the year.

Wow. What is wrong with the leadership in this place? They still think that teachers are kidding... I am planning to leave FCPS and the area at the end of the school year. I thought that I could stay here for a career but I do not think it is possible anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:We had a science teacher quit today when his offer letter from a job he applied for in May finally came through.

Good for him, but ughh it feels like those of us who are committed to staying are going down with a sinking ship.

Our administration is pretending nothing is wrong and is doubling down on the extra duties and expectations that have nothing to do with teaching. The principal blames the faculty for bad student behavior last year, so from her perspective, she is battening down the hatches. In reality, she is creating a prison-like environment for both teachers and students, so I imagine we will lose more good instructors at the end of the year.

Wow. What is wrong with the leadership in this place? They still think that teachers are kidding... I am planning to leave FCPS and the area at the end of the school year. I thought that I could stay here for a career but I do not think it is possible anymore.

Buh bye!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We had a science teacher quit today when his offer letter from a job he applied for in May finally came through.

Good for him, but ughh it feels like those of us who are committed to staying are going down with a sinking ship.

Our administration is pretending nothing is wrong and is doubling down on the extra duties and expectations that have nothing to do with teaching. The principal blames the faculty for bad student behavior last year, so from her perspective, she is battening down the hatches. In reality, she is creating a prison-like environment for both teachers and students, so I imagine we will lose more good instructors at the end of the year.

Wow. What is wrong with the leadership in this place? They still think that teachers are kidding... I am planning to leave FCPS and the area at the end of the school year. I thought that I could stay here for a career but I do not think it is possible anymore.

The only way things will change is if more of you quit. Quit complaining or thinking about it and just do it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:We had a science teacher quit today when his offer letter from a job he applied for in May finally came through.

Good for him, but ughh it feels like those of us who are committed to staying are going down with a sinking ship.

Our administration is pretending nothing is wrong and is doubling down on the extra duties and expectations that have nothing to do with teaching. The principal blames the faculty for bad student behavior last year, so from her perspective, she is battening down the hatches. In reality, she is creating a prison-like environment for both teachers and students, so I imagine we will lose more good instructors at the end of the year.

Wow. What is wrong with the leadership in this place? They still think that teachers are kidding... I am planning to leave FCPS and the area at the end of the school year. I thought that I could stay here for a career but I do not think it is possible anymore.

Buh bye!

Says the bad parent/ sociopath

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had a science teacher quit today when his offer letter from a job he applied for in May finally came through.

Good for him, but ughh it feels like those of us who are committed to staying are going down with a sinking ship.

Our administration is pretending nothing is wrong and is doubling down on the extra duties and expectations that have nothing to do with teaching. The principal blames the faculty for bad student behavior last year, so from her perspective, she is battening down the hatches. In reality, she is creating a prison-like environment for both teachers and students, so I imagine we will lose more good instructors at the end of the year.

Wow. What is wrong with the leadership in this place? They still think that teachers are kidding... I am planning to leave FCPS and the area at the end of the school year. I thought that I could stay here for a career but I do not think it is possible anymore.

Buh bye!

Hope your kids enjoy their year of rotating unqualified warm body subs, you nasty little snot.

(not OP)

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had a science teacher quit today when his offer letter from a job he applied for in May finally came through.

Good for him, but ughh it feels like those of us who are committed to staying are going down with a sinking ship.

Our administration is pretending nothing is wrong and is doubling down on the extra duties and expectations that have nothing to do with teaching. The principal blames the faculty for bad student behavior last year, so from her perspective, she is battening down the hatches. In reality, she is creating a prison-like environment for both teachers and students, so I imagine we will lose more good instructors at the end of the year.

Wow. What is wrong with the leadership in this place? They still think that teachers are kidding... I am planning to leave FCPS and the area at the end of the school year. I thought that I could stay here for a career but I do not think it is possible anymore.

Buh bye!

Says the bad parent/ sociopath

I think just sociopath and breeder of future sociopaths should cover it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had a science teacher quit today when his offer letter from a job he applied for in May finally came through.

Good for him, but ughh it feels like those of us who are committed to staying are going down with a sinking ship.

Our administration is pretending nothing is wrong and is doubling down on the extra duties and expectations that have nothing to do with teaching. The principal blames the faculty for bad student behavior last year, so from her perspective, she is battening down the hatches. In reality, she is creating a prison-like environment for both teachers and students, so I imagine we will lose more good instructors at the end of the year.

Wow. What is wrong with the leadership in this place? They still think that teachers are kidding... I am planning to leave FCPS and the area at the end of the school year. I thought that I could stay here for a career but I do not think it is possible anymore.

Buh bye!

Says the bad parent/ sociopath

I think just sociopath and breeder of future sociopaths should cover it.

+1000

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We had a science teacher quit today when his offer letter from a job he applied for in May finally came through.

Good for him, but ughh it feels like those of us who are committed to staying are going down with a sinking ship.

Our administration is pretending nothing is wrong and is doubling down on the extra duties and expectations that have nothing to do with teaching. The principal blames the faculty for bad student behavior last year, so from her perspective, she is battening down the hatches. In reality, she is creating a prison-like environment for both teachers and students, so I imagine we will lose more good instructors at the end of the year.

Does the school start with a K, by chance?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had a science teacher quit today when his offer letter from a job he applied for in May finally came through.

Good for him, but ughh it feels like those of us who are committed to staying are going down with a sinking ship.

Our administration is pretending nothing is wrong and is doubling down on the extra duties and expectations that have nothing to do with teaching. The principal blames the faculty for bad student behavior last year, so from her perspective, she is battening down the hatches. In reality, she is creating a prison-like environment for both teachers and students, so I imagine we will lose more good instructors at the end of the year.

Does the school start with a K, by chance?

Or an H…