Catholic mom wants us to essentially say grace as part of our Jewish kid’s education ...

[Anonymous]

The nature of the grace makes it thematically Christian. The mom is trying to make it Christian-light in hpes that it will be acceptable for her Jewish daughter. It is what it is. Jews do not offer that type of grace before meals period. That has been made clear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The nature of the grace makes it thematically Christian. The mom is trying to make it Christian-light in hpes that it will be acceptable for her Jewish daughter. It is what it is. Jews do not offer that type of grace before meals period. That has been made clear.

.... and has nothing to do with being anti Catholic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You have the right to raise your kids as you want, but technically you are actually not Jewish and neither are your children unless you converted when you married your husband.
In Judaism, the religion is passed from mother to children. So maybe this is where you mom is coming from as she sees (correctly) her grand kids as Christians.

No flame please, I am just pointing out the law.

Now if you want to raise your kids Jewish, I am sure you are aware of the prayer on "washing of hands" followed by the prayer on bread, both are said before eating a meal. And pretty much ANY food has to have a prayer BEFORE eating (haEtz, Hadama, ChaAhKol, ...). In fact, in Judaism, you actually recognize God in pretty much everything. The largest difference between Christianity and Judaism (without wanting to go into theological discussions) is that the God of Israel is unique (no man is or can become God -- nothing with trinity and virgin birth) AND the God of Israel is not into "turning your other cheek" stuff. That is very Christian.
But praying God to have given us what we eat, is not Christian per-se.

It is not a law also, GFY.

It was hard to prove paternity in ancient Israel, so maternal lineage made more sense. I doubt that ancient Hebrews knew anything about mitochondrial DNA. Remember, King David’s mother was not an Israelite. I think we should
let this antiquated rule be put to rest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mom, you know we're Jewish and our family will not be saying Christian grace before meals. I respect your religion and you are free to say grace or pray in our presence, but we will not be participating. Rinse & repeat.

I recommended this a few pages ago. Mom tolerated letting her daughter be raised Jewish. Mom insisting her daughter and granddaughter say grace outside of seeing her is ridiculous but so is op’s inability to say mom “you do you, but we’re not joining you.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mom, you know we're Jewish and our family will not be saying Christian grace before meals. I respect your religion and you are free to say grace or pray in our presence, but we will not be participating. Rinse & repeat.

I recommended this a few pages ago. Mom tolerated letting her daughter be raised Jewish. Mom insisting her daughter and granddaughter say grace outside of seeing her is ridiculous but so is op’s inability to say mom “you do you, but we’re not joining you.”

As I’ve said many times, I have said that and she keeps pushing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The nature of the grace makes it thematically Christian. The mom is trying to make it Christian-light in hpes that it will be acceptable for her Jewish daughter. It is what it is. Jews do not offer that type of grace before meals period. That has been made clear.

So?
Is this the worst thing a mother can do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The nature of the grace makes it thematically Christian. The mom is trying to make it Christian-light in hpes that it will be acceptable for her Jewish daughter. It is what it is. Jews do not offer that type of grace before meals period. That has been made clear.

So?
Is this the worst thing a mother can do?

Did anyone say it is?

[Anonymous]

OP just proved that some people find ways to be a jerk and use religion to justify their bad behavior

Oh the danger of being too fanatical

If this is the issue that will permanently break your relationship with your mother, then so be it. Your choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP just proved that some people find ways to be a jerk and use religion to justify their bad behavior

Oh the danger of being too fanatical

If this is the issue that will permanently break your relationship with your mother, then so be it. Your choice.

It’s fanatical to not want to say a Christian grace if you’re not Christian? Ok ...

Also, when did OP talk about a permanent break?

[Anonymous]

My only issue with OP is that says the DD is being raised interfaith when she clearly is not. I can see why the grandmother is confused. The comment about the children’s library was rude. My ex and I agreed DD would be raised Catholic. I have no issue with the Jewish children’s books her paternal grandparents bought for their home to teach her about Jewish holidays and heroes.

[Anonymous]

OP you need to stay strong and say "we are not saying grace because it's not consistent with Jewish laws/customs and it is not up for discussion. If you keep raising this, we won't be able to eat meals with you.".

What your mom is asking is akin to you saying she is treating new year's too lightly and should spend Jan 1 fasting and repenting like you do for the Jewish New Year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP just proved that some people find ways to be a jerk and use religion to justify their bad behavior

Oh the danger of being too fanatical

If this is the issue that will permanently break your relationship with your mother, then so be it. Your choice.

It’s fanatical to not want to say a Christian grace if you’re not Christian? Ok ...

Also, when did OP talk about a permanent break?

Don't make a mountain out of a mole hill

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP you need to stay strong and say "we are not saying grace because it's not consistent with Jewish laws/customs and it is not up for discussion. If you keep raising this, we won't be able to eat meals with you.".

What your mom is asking is akin to you saying she is treating new year's too lightly and should spend Jan 1 fasting and repenting like you do for the Jewish New Year.

Going too far. Mom’s wishes to pray herself should be respected. Her insisting the kids pray is something OP can say no to. This thread is ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

I don’t know... my dad is a Sikh and always says a thank you prayer in Punjabi before every meal, I guess that doesn’t make him a Christian. It’s just a prayer, I suppose some people feel more strongly about the rituals in their own faith. Anyways, do what you feel comfortable with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mom, you know we're Jewish and our family will not be saying Christian grace before meals. I respect your religion and you are free to say grace or pray in our presence, but we will not be participating. Rinse & repeat.

I recommended this a few pages ago. Mom tolerated letting her daughter be raised Jewish. Mom insisting her daughter and granddaughter say grace outside of seeing her is ridiculous but so is op’s inability to say mom “you do you, but we’re not joining you.”

This. What’s wrong with you people.