US vs Thailand

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Anonymous wrote:This is a recurring issue for dominant youth teams and players -- how do you learn to treat an opponent or player who is not yet or never will be on your level. Different people think differently about this and have reasonable bases for disagreement. I erred on the side of compassionate when I was younger. And I can guarantee you that it did not hurt me one bit in my actual professional career outside of sports. I would be extremely skeptical about hiring or working people who relish or gloat over things like this or who think this a way for people to behave when victorious. And I saw plenty of those people in my rear view mirror when I lapped them professionally.

My son's team was told to stop scoring against a week team after they went up by 8 early in the game. In that tournament, we did not make a final based on the goal difference because our competition scored 14 on the same opponent on the last day of the group play. The coach did not realize that the goal difference was a tiebreaker!

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goal_difference is a good read for those of us who aren't familiar with the concept.

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Anonymous wrote:This argument just goes to show you can’t teach the concept of “class” to everyone. Some people are good sportsmen and classy, others aren’t. By the time people hit their 30’s they seem to get very set in their ways. So we end up with some who are classy, others who aren’t. Both feel they are “right.”

I don’t think the issue here is whether some people are “classy” and others are not. There is a legitimate difference of opinion here so let’s all please refrain from ad hominem attacks.

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Anonymous wrote:Would this even be a discussion if it was the mens’ World Cup? Are the women supposed to walk daintily away after scoring goals? Is it more ladylike to hold back from crushing your opponents? Give me a break. These women deserve to celebrate every goal and should score as many as possible. They are the best in the world and should not hold back just to be polite.

Yes, I have said the same thing during the men's world cup. Again, if you watched international football more frequently than just world cup matches every few years, you'd have an understanding of the sport. Goal differential matters. Poor sportsmanship is disappointing at the international level.

Im not sure where the assumption is coming from that I only watch World Cup matches simply because I have an differing opinion, but anyhoo...I played D1, watch a lot of international football, futbol, soccer, whatever you want to call it. So yeah I get the sport and I support these women. I disagree that they showed poor sportsmanship and I think this discussion has sexist undertones.

Female who played D1 here too. Had the discussion with another former college player this morning... we were basically both wincing in disbelief they racked it up to 13. Pretty sure we're not secret misogynists. For how long you must've played in your life, did you really never learn that going over 9 goals is just unnecessarily humiliating the other team?

DP. The previous record was 11. Surely if it was unnecessarily humiliating, the powers that be could have changed up the rules to not count goals more than 9 over towards the goal differential?

Oh? And do you think they should change the rules to force hand shaking after the game and the opposing team kicking the ball out when someone is down injured and all the other things that make up the sportsmanship in the beautiful game? Is that how you live your life? You have no community or morality without official rules?

If not shaking hands counts towards a possible win, but they want people to shake hands anyway, then yes, they should change the rules.

Goal differential matters. If "too many" shouldn't be allowed, then they MUST change the rules, otherwise every single solitary goal counts. And the second a team only scores 7 over instead of 8, and then somehow doesn't make it out of their stage of gameplay, they're going to be criticized for not being competitive or how they should have known better.

If the rules impeded sportsmanship, why keep the rules? The rules make up the beautiful game, and the rules stress that goal differential matters.

We all understand that every goal matters. There is no reason to not score. Understood? Ok.

Not EVERY GOAL needs to be celebrated as if it was an actual game winner though. That is the difference.

Ok. Let's just celebrate every goal as if it's a World Cup goal. Or a first World Cup goal for a particular player.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a recurring issue for dominant youth teams and players -- how do you learn to treat an opponent or player who is not yet or never will be on your level. Different people think differently about this and have reasonable bases for disagreement. I erred on the side of compassionate when I was younger. And I can guarantee you that it did not hurt me one bit in my actual professional career outside of sports. I would be extremely skeptical about hiring or working people who relish or gloat over things like this or who think this a way for people to behave when victorious. And I saw plenty of those people in my rear view mirror when I lapped them professionally.

My son's team was told to stop scoring against a week team after they went up by 8 early in the game. In that tournament, we did not make a final based on the goal difference because our competition scored 14 on the same opponent on the last day of the group play. The coach did not realize that the goal difference was a tiebreaker!

Sounds like you should have won your other games.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a recurring issue for dominant youth teams and players -- how do you learn to treat an opponent or player who is not yet or never will be on your level. Different people think differently about this and have reasonable bases for disagreement. I erred on the side of compassionate when I was younger. And I can guarantee you that it did not hurt me one bit in my actual professional career outside of sports. I would be extremely skeptical about hiring or working people who relish or gloat over things like this or who think this a way for people to behave when victorious. And I saw plenty of those people in my rear view mirror when I lapped them professionally.

My son's team was told to stop scoring against a week team after they went up by 8 early in the game. In that tournament, we did not make a final based on the goal difference because our competition scored 14 on the same opponent on the last day of the group play. The coach did not realize that the goal difference was a tiebreaker!

Nobody, but one person has suggested the US STOP scoring only that they stop doing leg farts as their celebration of choice after the 9th goal.

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Anonymous wrote:Would this even be a discussion if it was the mens’ World Cup? Are the women supposed to walk daintily away after scoring goals? Is it more ladylike to hold back from crushing your opponents? Give me a break. These women deserve to celebrate every goal and should score as many as possible. They are the best in the world and should not hold back just to be polite.

Yes, I have said the same thing during the men's world cup. Again, if you watched international football more frequently than just world cup matches every few years, you'd have an understanding of the sport. Goal differential matters. Poor sportsmanship is disappointing at the international level.

Im not sure where the assumption is coming from that I only watch World Cup matches simply because I have an differing opinion, but anyhoo...I played D1, watch a lot of international football, futbol, soccer, whatever you want to call it. So yeah I get the sport and I support these women. I disagree that they showed poor sportsmanship and I think this discussion has sexist undertones.

Female who played D1 here too. Had the discussion with another former college player this morning... we were basically both wincing in disbelief they racked it up to 13. Pretty sure we're not secret misogynists. For how long you must've played in your life, did you really never learn that going over 9 goals is just unnecessarily humiliating the other team?

DP. The previous record was 11. Surely if it was unnecessarily humiliating, the powers that be could have changed up the rules to not count goals more than 9 over towards the goal differential?

Oh? And do you think they should change the rules to force hand shaking after the game and the opposing team kicking the ball out when someone is down injured and all the other things that make up the sportsmanship in the beautiful game? Is that how you live your life? You have no community or morality without official rules?

If not shaking hands counts towards a possible win, but they want people to shake hands anyway, then yes, they should change the rules.

Goal differential matters. If "too many" shouldn't be allowed, then they MUST change the rules, otherwise every single solitary goal counts. And the second a team only scores 7 over instead of 8, and then somehow doesn't make it out of their stage of gameplay, they're going to be criticized for not being competitive or how they should have known better.

If the rules impeded sportsmanship, why keep the rules? The rules make up the beautiful game, and the rules stress that goal differential matters.

We all understand that every goal matters. There is no reason to not score. Understood? Ok.

Not EVERY GOAL needs to be celebrated as if it was an actual game winner though. That is the difference.

Ok. Let's just celebrate every goal as if it's a World Cup goal. Or a first World Cup goal for a particular player.

And leg farts is the classy way to celebrate such a prestigious goal?

[Anonymous]

NP - What is the real concern here? Are those of you who believe the women didn’t act appropriately (whatever that means to you) concerned that it reflects badly on our country as a whole or is it something else? Really curious as to why everyone is so worked up?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goal_difference is a good read for those of us who aren't familiar with the concept.

And for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportsmanship

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tactful#English

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion

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Anonymous wrote:NP - What is the real concern here? Are those of you who believe the women didn’t act appropriately (whatever that means to you) concerned that it reflects badly on our country as a whole or is it something else? Really curious as to why everyone is so worked up?

If after 12 pages in you still don't understand the difference between class, humility and dignity then it can't be explained now.

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I think the people who think they should’ve stopped at 9 or set up some type of constricts in their play are wrong.

If you have a problem with the celebration itself, as it seems most here do, maybe you have a point. Even then though, it can only make it a better tournament as we are going to be presented as heels now, and everyone will step up their game against us. If you don’t like it, stop them, keep them from scoring.

If you’re going to turn on the one national team that has represented our country well these past 2-3 decades, there’s something wrong with you. They were gracious with the Thai players after the game. Whatever happened between both teams during the 90 minutes stays on the field.

What I was really concerned with was the refs adding 3 minutes of injury time; but then again, this is the highest level of women’s soccer.

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Anonymous wrote:Would this even be a discussion if it was the mens’ World Cup? Are the women supposed to walk daintily away after scoring goals? Is it more ladylike to hold back from crushing your opponents? Give me a break. These women deserve to celebrate every goal and should score as many as possible. They are the best in the world and should not hold back just to be polite.

Yes, I have said the same thing during the men's world cup. Again, if you watched international football more frequently than just world cup matches every few years, you'd have an understanding of the sport. Goal differential matters. Poor sportsmanship is disappointing at the international level.

Im not sure where the assumption is coming from that I only watch World Cup matches simply because I have an differing opinion, but anyhoo...I played D1, watch a lot of international football, futbol, soccer, whatever you want to call it. So yeah I get the sport and I support these women. I disagree that they showed poor sportsmanship and I think this discussion has sexist undertones.

Female who played D1 here too. Had the discussion with another former college player this morning... we were basically both wincing in disbelief they racked it up to 13. Pretty sure we're not secret misogynists. For how long you must've played in your life, did you really never learn that going over 9 goals is just unnecessarily humiliating the other team?

DP. The previous record was 11. Surely if it was unnecessarily humiliating, the powers that be could have changed up the rules to not count goals more than 9 over towards the goal differential?

Oh? And do you think they should change the rules to force hand shaking after the game and the opposing team kicking the ball out when someone is down injured and all the other things that make up the sportsmanship in the beautiful game? Is that how you live your life? You have no community or morality without official rules?

If not shaking hands counts towards a possible win, but they want people to shake hands anyway, then yes, they should change the rules.

Goal differential matters. If "too many" shouldn't be allowed, then they MUST change the rules, otherwise every single solitary goal counts. And the second a team only scores 7 over instead of 8, and then somehow doesn't make it out of their stage of gameplay, they're going to be criticized for not being competitive or how they should have known better.

If the rules impeded sportsmanship, why keep the rules? The rules make up the beautiful game, and the rules stress that goal differential matters.

We all understand that every goal matters. There is no reason to not score. Understood? Ok.

Not EVERY GOAL needs to be celebrated as if it was an actual game winner though. That is the difference.

Ok. Let's just celebrate every goal as if it's a World Cup goal. Or a first World Cup goal for a particular player.

And leg farts is the classy way to celebrate such a prestigious goal?

Pretty sure all of Ronaldo’s pelvic thrusting after scoring isn’t too classy either.

[Anonymous]

The US women's team played fantastic and they also acted embarrassingly.

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The social justice warriors, also known as the no fun club, alway want to debate. They find a victim in every situation and attempt to exploit it until we all surrender.

Half of them are currently sitting inside their Prius crying.

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Anonymous wrote:Would this even be a discussion if it was the mens’ World Cup? Are the women supposed to walk daintily away after scoring goals? Is it more ladylike to hold back from crushing your opponents? Give me a break. These women deserve to celebrate every goal and should score as many as possible. They are the best in the world and should not hold back just to be polite.

Yes, I have said the same thing during the men's world cup. Again, if you watched international football more frequently than just world cup matches every few years, you'd have an understanding of the sport. Goal differential matters. Poor sportsmanship is disappointing at the international level.

Im not sure where the assumption is coming from that I only watch World Cup matches simply because I have an differing opinion, but anyhoo...I played D1, watch a lot of international football, futbol, soccer, whatever you want to call it. So yeah I get the sport and I support these women. I disagree that they showed poor sportsmanship and I think this discussion has sexist undertones.

Female who played D1 here too. Had the discussion with another former college player this morning... we were basically both wincing in disbelief they racked it up to 13. Pretty sure we're not secret misogynists. For how long you must've played in your life, did you really never learn that going over 9 goals is just unnecessarily humiliating the other team?

DP. The previous record was 11. Surely if it was unnecessarily humiliating, the powers that be could have changed up the rules to not count goals more than 9 over towards the goal differential?

Oh? And do you think they should change the rules to force hand shaking after the game and the opposing team kicking the ball out when someone is down injured and all the other things that make up the sportsmanship in the beautiful game? Is that how you live your life? You have no community or morality without official rules?

If not shaking hands counts towards a possible win, but they want people to shake hands anyway, then yes, they should change the rules.

Goal differential matters. If "too many" shouldn't be allowed, then they MUST change the rules, otherwise every single solitary goal counts. And the second a team only scores 7 over instead of 8, and then somehow doesn't make it out of their stage of gameplay, they're going to be criticized for not being competitive or how they should have known better.

If the rules impeded sportsmanship, why keep the rules? The rules make up the beautiful game, and the rules stress that goal differential matters.

We all understand that every goal matters. There is no reason to not score. Understood? Ok.

Not EVERY GOAL needs to be celebrated as if it was an actual game winner though. That is the difference.

Ok. Let's just celebrate every goal as if it's a World Cup goal. Or a first World Cup goal for a particular player.

And leg farts is the classy way to celebrate such a prestigious goal?

Pretty sure all of Ronaldo’s pelvic thrusting after scoring isn’t too classy either.

Yes, so be better than Ronaldo, especially after 9 goals.