US vs Thailand

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Anonymous wrote:Would this even be a discussion if it was the mens’ World Cup? Are the women supposed to walk daintily away after scoring goals? Is it more ladylike to hold back from crushing your opponents? Give me a break. These women deserve to celebrate every goal and should score as many as possible. They are the best in the world and should not hold back just to be polite.

Yes. It would be.
-female soccer player

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Anonymous wrote:When you score a goal in a World Cup, then you can tell someone else not to celebrate. Did you also complain when Germany hammered Brazil 8-0, or was that okay because it was the men? Or because it was against a traditional powerhouse?

Germany was up 5-0 at half and won 7-1 vs Brazil. US up 3-0 at half and win 13-0. Don't see a difference? Germany kept playing, but understood what mattered is maintaining and improving their quality of play. US women play checkers; Germany's men play chess.

So, here's a serious question - what would you have them do? Non-starters were put in, to the limit soccer permits. The rules don't allow for the entire starting 11 to be replaced with lesser players, and even if they did, the US reserves are markedly better than the Thai first string. Should they just not shoot? Just passing around the ball isn't going to improve the quality of the US team's play; if anything, it's detrimental because the talent gap is so large.

It isn’t about the goals being scored it is about the excessive celebration. After about 6 act like you’ve been there before. Nobody is suggesting they take their foot off the gas but clearly Thailand is not very good so why all the celebrations in freaking Group Stage? The defending World Cup Champions acting like they just won World Cup again. It’s just Group Stage!!

Maybe you should learn a bit about the game. Not everyone on the team HAD been there before. To score your first World Cup goal is amazing. Period. It's a lifetime's work.

But I'm sure you'll tell us who is allowed to celebrate which accomplishments and when. Since it's not ok for young American women to celebrate their first World Cup goals, who exactly is it ok for?

It was Group Stage against Thailand. Please.

It was the World Cup. Making the team is huge. Making it into the group stage is huge. Making a goal is huge. Many kids put their entire lives into this and don't even make it to this point. Most of us have nothing in our lives to compare. This is a tremendous life accomplishment, well worthy of excitement, and celebration.

And when the game is in hand celebrate as if it is. Continue to score but be more mature. Stop. It was embarrassing how they acted not how they played.

So Mallory Pugh making her very first World Cup goal in her very first World Cup should've just turned away and lined back up ready to play again. She doesn't get to be supported and congratulated by her teammates, because there's more than a 2? 3? goal difference? When do they have to stop celebrating their teammates on a long sought, hard fought accomplishment, exactly?

Drama. She's scored in an Olympics and in other international games. Also, it was 11-0 or something at the point...so yeah, over celebration was not warranted. Mallory is an experienced international player. She knows that it should have been a quick cheer and going back to center.

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Anonymous wrote:Would this even be a discussion if it was the mens’ World Cup? Are the women supposed to walk daintily away after scoring goals? Is it more ladylike to hold back from crushing your opponents? Give me a break. These women deserve to celebrate every goal and should score as many as possible. They are the best in the world and should not hold back just to be polite.

Yes, I have said the same thing during the men's world cup. Again, if you watched international football more frequently than just world cup matches every few years, you'd have an understanding of the sport. Goal differential matters. Poor sportsmanship is disappointing at the international level.

Im not sure where the assumption is coming from that I only watch World Cup matches simply because I have an differing opinion, but anyhoo...I played D1, watch a lot of international football, futbol, soccer, whatever you want to call it. So yeah I get the sport and I support these women. I disagree that they showed poor sportsmanship and I think this discussion has sexist undertones.

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Anonymous wrote:Would this even be a discussion if it was the mens’ World Cup? Are the women supposed to walk daintily away after scoring goals? Is it more ladylike to hold back from crushing your opponents? Give me a break. These women deserve to celebrate every goal and should score as many as possible. They are the best in the world and should not hold back just to be polite.

Yes, I have said the same thing during the men's world cup. Again, if you watched international football more frequently than just world cup matches every few years, you'd have an understanding of the sport. Goal differential matters. Poor sportsmanship is disappointing at the international level.

Im not sure where the assumption is coming from that I only watch World Cup matches simply because I have an differing opinion, but anyhoo...I played D1, watch a lot of international football, futbol, soccer, whatever you want to call it. So yeah I get the sport and I support these women. I disagree that they showed poor sportsmanship and I think this discussion has sexist undertones.

Female who played D1 here too. Had the discussion with another former college player this morning... we were basically both wincing in disbelief they racked it up to 13. Pretty sure we're not secret misogynists. For how long you must've played in your life, did you really never learn that going over 9 goals is just unnecessarily humiliating the other team?

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Anonymous wrote:When you score a goal in a World Cup, then you can tell someone else not to celebrate. Did you also complain when Germany hammered Brazil 8-0, or was that okay because it was the men? Or because it was against a traditional powerhouse?

Germany was up 5-0 at half and won 7-1 vs Brazil. US up 3-0 at half and win 13-0. Don't see a difference? Germany kept playing, but understood what mattered is maintaining and improving their quality of play. US women play checkers; Germany's men play chess.

So, here's a serious question - what would you have them do? Non-starters were put in, to the limit soccer permits. The rules don't allow for the entire starting 11 to be replaced with lesser players, and even if they did, the US reserves are markedly better than the Thai first string. Should they just not shoot? Just passing around the ball isn't going to improve the quality of the US team's play; if anything, it's detrimental because the talent gap is so large.

It isn’t about the goals being scored it is about the excessive celebration. After about 6 act like you’ve been there before. Nobody is suggesting they take their foot off the gas but clearly Thailand is not very good so why all the celebrations in freaking Group Stage? The defending World Cup Champions acting like they just won World Cup again. It’s just Group Stage!!

Maybe you should learn a bit about the game. Not everyone on the team HAD been there before. To score your first World Cup goal is amazing. Period. It's a lifetime's work.

But I'm sure you'll tell us who is allowed to celebrate which accomplishments and when. Since it's not ok for young American women to celebrate their first World Cup goals, who exactly is it ok for?

It was Group Stage against Thailand. Please.

It was the World Cup. Making the team is huge. Making it into the group stage is huge. Making a goal is huge. Many kids put their entire lives into this and don't even make it to this point. Most of us have nothing in our lives to compare. This is a tremendous life accomplishment, well worthy of excitement, and celebration.

And when the game is in hand celebrate as if it is. Continue to score but be more mature. Stop. It was embarrassing how they acted not how they played.

So Mallory Pugh making her very first World Cup goal in her very first World Cup should've just turned away and lined back up ready to play again. She doesn't get to be supported and congratulated by her teammates, because there's more than a 2? 3? goal difference? When do they have to stop celebrating their teammates on a long sought, hard fought accomplishment, exactly?

Drama. She's scored in an Olympics and in other international games. Also, it was 11-0 or something at the point...so yeah, over celebration was not warranted. Mallory is an experienced international player. She knows that it should have been a quick cheer and going back to center.

I hope you never celebrate things in your life, since you've had other accomplishments and know you're going to do well. Celebrating is just rude.

I will never reach anything like the World Cup in my life. You better believe if I did, I would celebrate my first goal there, knowing it wasn't something that might have ever happened and might never happen again for me.

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Anonymous wrote:Would this even be a discussion if it was the mens’ World Cup? Are the women supposed to walk daintily away after scoring goals? Is it more ladylike to hold back from crushing your opponents? Give me a break. These women deserve to celebrate every goal and should score as many as possible. They are the best in the world and should not hold back just to be polite.

Yes, I have said the same thing during the men's world cup. Again, if you watched international football more frequently than just world cup matches every few years, you'd have an understanding of the sport. Goal differential matters. Poor sportsmanship is disappointing at the international level.

Im not sure where the assumption is coming from that I only watch World Cup matches simply because I have an differing opinion, but anyhoo...I played D1, watch a lot of international football, futbol, soccer, whatever you want to call it. So yeah I get the sport and I support these women. I disagree that they showed poor sportsmanship and I think this discussion has sexist undertones.

Female who played D1 here too. Had the discussion with another former college player this morning... we were basically both wincing in disbelief they racked it up to 13. Pretty sure we're not secret misogynists. For how long you must've played in your life, did you really never learn that going over 9 goals is just unnecessarily humiliating the other team?

DP. The previous record was 11. Surely if it was unnecessarily humiliating, the powers that be could have changed up the rules to not count goals more than 9 over towards the goal differential?

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Anonymous wrote:Would this even be a discussion if it was the mens’ World Cup? Are the women supposed to walk daintily away after scoring goals? Is it more ladylike to hold back from crushing your opponents? Give me a break. These women deserve to celebrate every goal and should score as many as possible. They are the best in the world and should not hold back just to be polite.

Yes, I have said the same thing during the men's world cup. Again, if you watched international football more frequently than just world cup matches every few years, you'd have an understanding of the sport. Goal differential matters. Poor sportsmanship is disappointing at the international level.

Im not sure where the assumption is coming from that I only watch World Cup matches simply because I have an differing opinion, but anyhoo...I played D1, watch a lot of international football, futbol, soccer, whatever you want to call it. So yeah I get the sport and I support these women. I disagree that they showed poor sportsmanship and I think this discussion has sexist undertones.

Female who played D1 here too. Had the discussion with another former college player this morning... we were basically both wincing in disbelief they racked it up to 13. Pretty sure we're not secret misogynists. For how long you must've played in your life, did you really never learn that going over 9 goals is just unnecessarily humiliating the other team?

DP. The previous record was 11. Surely if it was unnecessarily humiliating, the powers that be could have changed up the rules to not count goals more than 9 over towards the goal differential?

Oh? And do you think they should change the rules to force hand shaking after the game and the opposing team kicking the ball out when someone is down injured and all the other things that make up the sportsmanship in the beautiful game? Is that how you live your life? You have no community or morality without official rules?

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Anonymous wrote:Would this even be a discussion if it was the mens’ World Cup? Are the women supposed to walk daintily away after scoring goals? Is it more ladylike to hold back from crushing your opponents? Give me a break. These women deserve to celebrate every goal and should score as many as possible. They are the best in the world and should not hold back just to be polite.

Yes, I have said the same thing during the men's world cup. Again, if you watched international football more frequently than just world cup matches every few years, you'd have an understanding of the sport. Goal differential matters. Poor sportsmanship is disappointing at the international level.

Im not sure where the assumption is coming from that I only watch World Cup matches simply because I have an differing opinion, but anyhoo...I played D1, watch a lot of international football, futbol, soccer, whatever you want to call it. So yeah I get the sport and I support these women. I disagree that they showed poor sportsmanship and I think this discussion has sexist undertones.

Female who played D1 here too. Had the discussion with another former college player this morning... we were basically both wincing in disbelief they racked it up to 13. Pretty sure we're not secret misogynists. For how long you must've played in your life, did you really never learn that going over 9 goals is just unnecessarily humiliating the other team?

Sigh...and I have former teammates who agree with me. This is the World Cup and I stand by my opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:Scoring goals in extra time up 12-0...pathetic.

They can’t do anything right in your eyes, I suspect. If they hadn’t continued to score against a vastly inferior team, you would have said they were incompetent/worthless/pathetic. But score 13 goals and they’re still pathetic? Maybe they should just stay home and make your dinner, right?

There's an unwritten rule that if you're killing a team, you don't go past 9 goals. I doubt they'll need *that* much if they need to go through on goal difference. The 13th goal showed a lack of sportsmanship.

But hell, I'm not the coach and I never made the national team.

Why didn’t Thailand respect this unwritten rule when they spanked Cambodia 11-0 last year?

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I have zero problem with scoring 13 goals and celebrating each goal. This is the WC and the goal difference matters. Maybe Thailand will start investing more in girls soccer, if they don't want to be embarrassed in the future.

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This is a recurring issue for dominant youth teams and players -- how do you learn to treat an opponent or player who is not yet or never will be on your level. Different people think differently about this and have reasonable bases for disagreement. I erred on the side of compassionate when I was younger. And I can guarantee you that it did not hurt me one bit in my actual professional career outside of sports. I would be extremely skeptical about hiring or working people who relish or gloat over things like this or who think this a way for people to behave when victorious. And I saw plenty of those people in my rear view mirror when I lapped them professionally.

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Honestly, if the US players hadn’t tried to comfort the Thai players after the whistle it would be unsportsmanlike. But that wasn’t the case.

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Anonymous wrote:Would this even be a discussion if it was the mens’ World Cup? Are the women supposed to walk daintily away after scoring goals? Is it more ladylike to hold back from crushing your opponents? Give me a break. These women deserve to celebrate every goal and should score as many as possible. They are the best in the world and should not hold back just to be polite.

Yes, I have said the same thing during the men's world cup. Again, if you watched international football more frequently than just world cup matches every few years, you'd have an understanding of the sport. Goal differential matters. Poor sportsmanship is disappointing at the international level.

Im not sure where the assumption is coming from that I only watch World Cup matches simply because I have an differing opinion, but anyhoo...I played D1, watch a lot of international football, futbol, soccer, whatever you want to call it. So yeah I get the sport and I support these women. I disagree that they showed poor sportsmanship and I think this discussion has sexist undertones.

Female who played D1 here too. Had the discussion with another former college player this morning... we were basically both wincing in disbelief they racked it up to 13. Pretty sure we're not secret misogynists. For how long you must've played in your life, did you really never learn that going over 9 goals is just unnecessarily humiliating the other team?

DP. The previous record was 11. Surely if it was unnecessarily humiliating, the powers that be could have changed up the rules to not count goals more than 9 over towards the goal differential?

Oh? And do you think they should change the rules to force hand shaking after the game and the opposing team kicking the ball out when someone is down injured and all the other things that make up the sportsmanship in the beautiful game? Is that how you live your life? You have no community or morality without official rules?

If not shaking hands counts towards a possible win, but they want people to shake hands anyway, then yes, they should change the rules.

Goal differential matters. If "too many" shouldn't be allowed, then they MUST change the rules, otherwise every single solitary goal counts. And the second a team only scores 7 over instead of 8, and then somehow doesn't make it out of their stage of gameplay, they're going to be criticized for not being competitive or how they should have known better.

If the rules impeded sportsmanship, why keep the rules? The rules make up the beautiful game, and the rules stress that goal differential matters.

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This argument just goes to show you can’t teach the concept of “class” to everyone. Some people are good sportsmen and classy, others aren’t. By the time people hit their 30’s they seem to get very set in their ways. So we end up with some who are classy, others who aren’t. Both feel they are “right.”

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Anonymous wrote:Would this even be a discussion if it was the mens’ World Cup? Are the women supposed to walk daintily away after scoring goals? Is it more ladylike to hold back from crushing your opponents? Give me a break. These women deserve to celebrate every goal and should score as many as possible. They are the best in the world and should not hold back just to be polite.

Yes, I have said the same thing during the men's world cup. Again, if you watched international football more frequently than just world cup matches every few years, you'd have an understanding of the sport. Goal differential matters. Poor sportsmanship is disappointing at the international level.

Im not sure where the assumption is coming from that I only watch World Cup matches simply because I have an differing opinion, but anyhoo...I played D1, watch a lot of international football, futbol, soccer, whatever you want to call it. So yeah I get the sport and I support these women. I disagree that they showed poor sportsmanship and I think this discussion has sexist undertones.

Female who played D1 here too. Had the discussion with another former college player this morning... we were basically both wincing in disbelief they racked it up to 13. Pretty sure we're not secret misogynists. For how long you must've played in your life, did you really never learn that going over 9 goals is just unnecessarily humiliating the other team?

DP. The previous record was 11. Surely if it was unnecessarily humiliating, the powers that be could have changed up the rules to not count goals more than 9 over towards the goal differential?

Oh? And do you think they should change the rules to force hand shaking after the game and the opposing team kicking the ball out when someone is down injured and all the other things that make up the sportsmanship in the beautiful game? Is that how you live your life? You have no community or morality without official rules?

If not shaking hands counts towards a possible win, but they want people to shake hands anyway, then yes, they should change the rules.

Goal differential matters. If "too many" shouldn't be allowed, then they MUST change the rules, otherwise every single solitary goal counts. And the second a team only scores 7 over instead of 8, and then somehow doesn't make it out of their stage of gameplay, they're going to be criticized for not being competitive or how they should have known better.

If the rules impeded sportsmanship, why keep the rules? The rules make up the beautiful game, and the rules stress that goal differential matters.

We all understand that every goal matters. There is no reason to not score. Understood? Ok.

Not EVERY GOAL needs to be celebrated as if it was an actual game winner though. That is the difference.