Is the UVA and Charlottesville brand damaged forever?
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Anonymous
Please google before you post. You've been wrong on every point you've posted. The statue was privately commissioned, Mr. McIntre paid for the land, he donated the private land and statue to the City of Charlottesville in 1924. It's the most valuable property in Charlottesville (next to the Rotunda) so OF COURSE Charlottesville accepted. In 1924 we weren't' sensitized to these issues and McIntre was a well-known New York financier and philanthropist giving the city a public park. The park and statue then went on the Virginia register of historic places. The City of Charlottesville has responded to concerns about the statue and park in the past, first by renaming "Lee Park" to "Emancipation Park" (emphasis on the treatment of slaves), then to "Market Park". The City was the entity that was trying to take down the statue when the riots occurred. You can keep trying to throw blame at the City Council but it has been proactive on this issue for a long time before the riots. From Wikipedia: The land for the park was purchased in 1917 by Paul Goodloe McIntire to be the setting for a bronze equestrian statue of Robert E. Lee and his horse Traveller that McIntire had commissioned. The park and statue were donated to the city of Charlottesville by McIntire.[3] The statue, although commissioned in 1917, was not cast until 1924 and it was finally placed in the park on Saturday, May 3, of that year.[1] In February 2017, the City Council voted to remove the Robert E. Lee statue from the park. However, a lawsuit opposing the removal was filed in March 2017 and the statue remains, pending the outcome of the lawsuit.[4] On June 5, 2017, the City Council, led by Mayor Michael Signer, voted unanimously to change the park's name to Emancipation Park.[2] The renaming of the park and the proposed removal of the Robert Edward Lee sculpture on the site by the Charlottesville city council was the catalyst for the 2017 Unite the Right rally and a focus of controversy between those who want it removed and those who want it to remain.[4] In July 2018 the park was renamed Market Street Park" NO one worships at the feet of this statue. |
Anonymous
Not your primary debater but sorry, Charlottesville bears some of the blame in not being more aware of and responsive to the issue. If they’d done more and made the tough (and in my view correct - though I don’t view Lee as a villain, merely don’t agree with his place in public spaces) decisions sooner we wouldn’t be having this conversation. We’d be arguing about UVA vs. UChicago or the merits of sororities, like a regular DCUM day. |
Anonymous
This is a strange take. Charlottesville's city council voted to get rid of the statues. Some white supremacists (I think the lawyer who wears old timey outfits) filed suit and there was an injunction. As the statue debate blew up in town, several other cities moved to get rid of their statues in rapid succession. Baltimore and New Orleans come to mind. There was a protest at the Silent Sam statue at UNC. A protest group took a statue in another NC city down with a rope. I don't see Charlottesville as being late to the fight. I see them as being right in the trenches. |
Anonymous
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"In Nantucket, there was a Northeastern culture that I did not feel like I could relate to."
I am not a POC. I grew up outside Boston. Very few can relate to the "Beach club" culture you are talking about. |
Anonymous
They voted for this when? In the 21st century? Sorry, very late. You seem to be deploying the “he did it too” argument. |
Anonymous
Uhhhh...no one even said that. But Charlottesville welcomed the statue and left it there for decades. |
Anonymous
+1. No one knew what was going to happen that day. It was tragic. It was the city that had taken actions to rename the park and take down the statue. It was because of those proactive decisions that the Alt-right asked for a protest and was given a permit. The candlelight march was unsanctioned, illegal and UVA was unprepared for it. The Governor was unprepared both for the size of the alt-right protest (and the evening torch march), and the six of the counterprotest, as was the City. After the surprise torch march, Governor McAuliffe declared a state of emergency the next morning, stating that public safety could not be safeguarded without additional powers. Within an hour, the Virginia State Police declared the assembly to be unlawful. The three deaths came after that. To the Governor's credit, he declared a state of emergency before the one-year anniversary date, even though a permit had not been issued, just in case additional forces were needed (which is what calling a state of emergency does). |
Anonymous
Virginia is a Dillon rule state, so even though most of the city and its council wants the stutes gone, it cannot make that decision. Regardless, based on UVa applications and housing for non students, UVa, the city, and surrounding Albemarle are not lacking for inhabitants. |
Anonymous
And selectivity at UVA has continued to drop (good) and yield has continued to rise (good), and the number of applicants has continued to rise each year so It's clear that most applicants are seeing the situation correctly. |
Anonymous
+1001 |
Anonymous
Ah the UMD folks are back. |
Anonymous
Actually in-state yield has declined from 68% in 2004-5 to 58.5% in 2017-18, declining 9 of 13 years and OOS yield has declined from 37.7% to 22.1% in the same period, declining in all but one year. |
Anonymous
| Thank you, interesting stat. |
Anonymous
Most colleges have declining yields over time, primarily because applicants are applying to more and more schools. |
Anonymous
Incorrect. Yield for class of 2022 to be up at 40%. University Provost Tom Katsouleas in presenting statistics for incoming Class of 2022 to UVA Board: "atsouleas also said the overall student yield rate — or the percent of accepted applicants who decided to enroll at the University — increased from 37 percent for the Class of 2021 to 40 percent for the Class of 2022, despite a gradual decline in the yield rate for the past decade. . . He added that the decline in applicant yield rate in the past decade was the product of students applying to more colleges and universities overall and the increased usage of the online higher education application platform, the Common Application. "Katsouleas said, despite a record number of applications, that there was uncertainty among University administrators about what the yield rate of applicants would look like after the white nationalist rallies of last summer in Charlottesville. “The last thing we expected on this 10-year trend was a sudden upturn this significant,” Katsouleas said. “So this is really remarkable, students want to come here, and it stands out.” "In terms of applicant diversity, Katsouleas said the Class of 2022 was the most diverse ever with 34 percent of enrolled applicants being students of color, including 349 African American or multiracial students. For the Class of 2021, Katsouleas said 33.8 percent of the class were considered minorities. The diversity of accepted applicants who enroll at the University has steadily increased since 2012. 26.5 percent of the Class of 2016 were considered minorities, while 30.8 percent were classified as such for the Class of 2018 and 32 percent for the Class of 2020. " http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2018/06/class-of-2022-admission-statistics-presented-to-board-of-visitors |