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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Most Northern college towns haven’t had a statue celebrating the fight for slavery. Overt racism is the low-hanging fruit.

Systemic racism is a larger beast we do all need to address. It will take much longer to undo the damage of generations of slavery and poverty.

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Oh, there are statues to confederate people in states that didn't fight on the confederate side. I thought everyone knew that. Wow.

Systemic racism is everywhere. It's in schools, the workplace, local and state government, law enforcement. Everywhere. Too many northerners fold their arms and think this isn't their problem. Stop pointing down at Charlottesville and start working at your own table. If you aren't addressing this stuff in your family, in your workplace, and in your town, you are the problem. [/quote]

I’m addressing it in my family and town. You?

What confederate statues are in Cambridge, MA? New Haven, CT? Burlington, VT? Syracuse, NY? Amherst, MA? Ithaca, NY? Ann Arbor, MI? Providence, NH?

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The alt-right riot in Charlottesville was over the removal of one statue.  The riots had nothing to do with UVA.  It's likening a riot in Watts or Compton with USC, or a protest in Westwood with UCLA.  You might be surprised to learn that confederate memorials, public and private, are all over the United States and in foreign countries as well.  Please remember also that the Civil War wasn't exclusively about slavery.  Confederate Memorials DO exist in Massachusetts, Vermont, New Jersey, Texas, Ohio, Kansas, California, Utah, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, Wisconsin, Maine, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Idaho, Delaware, the District of Columbia, Colorado and Hawaii.  There are Confederate Memorial statues in the U.S. Capitol in the National Statuary Hall.  Many of our military bases and ships, etc., were named after those who lost their lives in that terrible, bloody war.  There are also Confederate Memorials in Brazil, Canada, Ireland and Scotland.  I think it is good that we are reminded of the bloodshed from that event so it doesn't happen again.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials[/quote]

This post is about UVA *and* Charlottesville.

UVA was founded because Jefferson thought it “was necessary to protect the sons of the South from abolitionist teachings in the North.”

[b]Charlottesville CELEBRATED the fight to keep slavery with a prominent statue in public space. [/b]

A memorial plaque in a private cemetery isn’t quite the same thing.

Virginia has 200+ monuments in public spaces. It even has a state holiday.

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[b]Where the heck did you get that idea? Charlottesville showed up to counter protest the KKK and the Alt-Right. You are totally wrong.[/quote][/b]

+1.  Also the City was actively moving to remove it.  - the exact opposite of what the first PP is stating.  First the vice mayor West Bellamy called on the Charlottesville City Council to remove the statute. After studiies, eventually the City Council voted to take it down.  It was this removal that triggered the alt-righters to get a permit to protest.  It was then shrouded for seven months until a judge ordered that the shroud be removed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Edward_Lee_(sculpture)[/quote]

So the KKK snuck the statue into the park? [b]No, the city put it there [/b]and waited until 2017 to remove it. The celebration of slave mongers continued for decades. 
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No, it didn't.  It was a 1917 PRIVATE commission by philanthrapist Paul Goodloe McIntire on PRIVATE land he later donated.  He commissioned the statue from the artist Henry Shrady (1871–1922). It was the second of four works he commissioned from members of the National Sculpture Society. McIntire wanted a public setting for the statue, buying a city block of land and demolishing existing structures on it to create a formal landscaped square, later named Lee Park, the first of four parks he would donate to Charlottesville.  The statue is listed on many national historical landmark sites.[/quote]

A[b]nd the city refused it? Took the land, but removed the monument? Nope. The city celebrated the fight for slavery for decades. 
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Please google before you post.  You've been wrong on every point you've posted.  The statue was privately commissioned, Mr. McIntre paid for the land, he donated the private land and statue to the City of Charlottesville in 1924.  It's the most valuable property in Charlottesville (next to the Rotunda) so OF COURSE Charlottesville accepted.  In 1924 we weren't' sensitized to these issues and McIntre was a well-known New York financier and philanthropist giving the city a public park.  The park and statue then went on the Virginia register of historic places.  The City of Charlottesville has responded to concerns about the statue and park in the past, first by renaming "Lee Park" to "Emancipation Park" (emphasis on the treatment of slaves), then to "Market Park".  The City was the entity that was trying to take down the statue when the riots occurred.  You can keep trying to throw blame at the City Council but it has been proactive on this issue for a long time before the riots.

From Wikipedia:

The land for the park was purchased in 1917 by Paul Goodloe McIntire to be the setting for a bronze equestrian statue of Robert E. Lee and his horse Traveller that McIntire had commissioned. The park and statue were donated to the city of Charlottesville by McIntire.[3] The statue, although commissioned in 1917, was not cast until 1924 and it was finally placed in the park on Saturday, May 3, of that year.[1]

In February 2017, the City Council voted to remove the Robert E. Lee statue from the park. However, a lawsuit opposing the removal was filed in March 2017 and the statue remains, pending the outcome of the lawsuit.[4]

On June 5, 2017, the City Council, led by Mayor Michael Signer, voted unanimously to change the park's name to Emancipation Park.[2]

The renaming of the park and the proposed removal of the Robert Edward Lee sculpture on the site by the Charlottesville city council was the catalyst for the 2017 Unite the Right rally and a focus of controversy between those who want it removed and those who want it to remain.[4]

In July 2018 the park was renamed Market Street Park"

NO one worships at the feet of this statue.[/quote]

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