Is the UVA and Charlottesville brand damaged forever?

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Not your primary debater but sorry, Charlottesville bears some of the blame in not being more aware of and responsive to the issue. If they’d done more and made the tough (and in my view correct - though I don’t view Lee as a villain, merely don’t agree with his place in public spaces) decisions sooner we wouldn’t be having this conversation. We’d be arguing about UVA vs. UChicago or the merits of sororities, like a regular DCUM day.

This is a strange take.

Charlottesville's city council voted to get rid of the statues. Some white supremacists (I think the lawyer who wears old timey outfits) filed suit and there was an injunction. As the statue debate blew up in town, several other cities moved to get rid of their statues in rapid succession. Baltimore and New Orleans come to mind. There was a protest at the Silent Sam statue at UNC. A protest group took a statue in another NC city down with a rope.

I don't see Charlottesville as being late to the fight. I see them as being right in the trenches.

Virginia is a Dillon rule state, so even though most of the city and its council wants the stutes gone, it cannot make that decision. Regardless, based on UVa applications and housing for non students, UVa, the city, and surrounding Albemarle are not lacking for inhabitants.

And selectivity at UVA has continued to drop (good) and yield has continued to rise (good), and the number of applicants has continued to rise each year so It's clear that most applicants are seeing the situation correctly.

Actually in-state yield has declined from 68% in 2004-5 to 58.5% in 2017-18, declining 9 of 13 years and OOS yield has declined from 37.7% to 22.1% in the same period, declining in all but one year.

Incorrect. Yield for class of 2022 to be up at 40%. University Provost Tom Katsouleas in presenting statistics for incoming Class of 2022 to UVA Board: "atsouleas also said the overall student yield rate — or the percent of accepted applicants who decided to enroll at the University — increased from 37 percent for the Class of 2021 to 40 percent for the Class of 2022, despite a gradual decline in the yield rate for the past decade. . . He added that the decline in applicant yield rate in the past decade was the product of students applying to more colleges and universities overall and the increased usage of the online higher education application platform, the Common Application.

"Katsouleas said, despite a record number of applications, that there was uncertainty among University administrators about what the yield rate of applicants would look like after the white nationalist rallies of last summer in Charlottesville.

“The last thing we expected on this 10-year trend was a sudden upturn this significant,” Katsouleas said. “So this is really remarkable, students want to come here, and it stands out.”

"In terms of applicant diversity, Katsouleas said the Class of 2022 was the most diverse ever with 34 percent of enrolled applicants being students of color, including 349 African American or multiracial students. For the Class of 2021, Katsouleas said 33.8 percent of the class were considered minorities. The diversity of accepted applicants who enroll at the University has steadily increased since 2012. 26.5 percent of the Class of 2016 were considered minorities, while 30.8 percent were classified as such for the Class of 2018 and 32 percent for the Class of 2020. " http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2018/06/class-of-2022-admission-statistics-presented-to-board-of-visitors

No. Go look at actual data on SCHEV. You will see that the numbers cited are correct for the corresponding years and they are the latest available as enrolled numbers will not be finalized until after classes start.

You may be right that 2018-19 will show an uptick. That does not change the trend you called incorrect. If you are correct and the overall yield will go to 40% for 2018-19, the yield will still have declined from 53.8% in 2004-5 to 40% in 2018-19. It was 40.2% as recently as 2015-16.

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UVA has become one of the coveted universities in the country and, internationally, with Chinese and Indian students.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA has become one of the coveted universities in the country and, internationally, with Chinese and Indian students.

Well, according to USNews, it is ranked about 147 among national universities for percent of students who are international. And it is behind William & Mary, Virginia Tech, and George Mason in Virginia.

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Not your primary debater but sorry, Charlottesville bears some of the blame in not being more aware of and responsive to the issue. If they’d done more and made the tough (and in my view correct - though I don’t view Lee as a villain, merely don’t agree with his place in public spaces) decisions sooner we wouldn’t be having this conversation. We’d be arguing about UVA vs. UChicago or the merits of sororities, like a regular DCUM day.

This is a strange take.

Charlottesville's city council voted to get rid of the statues. Some white supremacists (I think the lawyer who wears old timey outfits) filed suit and there was an injunction. As the statue debate blew up in town, several other cities moved to get rid of their statues in rapid succession. Baltimore and New Orleans come to mind. There was a protest at the Silent Sam statue at UNC. A protest group took a statue in another NC city down with a rope.

I don't see Charlottesville as being late to the fight. I see them as being right in the trenches.

Virginia is a Dillon rule state, so even though most of the city and its council wants the stutes gone, it cannot make that decision. Regardless, based on UVa applications and housing for non students, UVa, the city, and surrounding Albemarle are not lacking for inhabitants.

And selectivity at UVA has continued to drop (good) and yield has continued to rise (good), and the number of applicants has continued to rise each year so It's clear that most applicants are seeing the situation correctly.

Actually in-state yield has declined from 68% in 2004-5 to 58.5% in 2017-18, declining 9 of 13 years and OOS yield has declined from 37.7% to 22.1% in the same period, declining in all but one year.

Incorrect. Yield for class of 2022 to be up at 40%. University Provost Tom Katsouleas in presenting statistics for incoming Class of 2022 to UVA Board: "atsouleas also said the overall student yield rate — or the percent of accepted applicants who decided to enroll at the University — increased from 37 percent for the Class of 2021 to 40 percent for the Class of 2022, despite a gradual decline in the yield rate for the past decade. . . He added that the decline in applicant yield rate in the past decade was the product of students applying to more colleges and universities overall and the increased usage of the online higher education application platform, the Common Application.

"Katsouleas said, despite a record number of applications, that there was uncertainty among University administrators about what the yield rate of applicants would look like after the white nationalist rallies of last summer in Charlottesville.

“The last thing we expected on this 10-year trend was a sudden upturn this significant,” Katsouleas said. “So this is really remarkable, students want to come here, and it stands out.”

"In terms of applicant diversity, Katsouleas said the Class of 2022 was the most diverse ever with 34 percent of enrolled applicants being students of color, including 349 African American or multiracial students. For the Class of 2021, Katsouleas said 33.8 percent of the class were considered minorities. The diversity of accepted applicants who enroll at the University has steadily increased since 2012. 26.5 percent of the Class of 2016 were considered minorities, while 30.8 percent were classified as such for the Class of 2018 and 32 percent for the Class of 2020. " http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2018/06/class-of-2022-admission-statistics-presented-to-board-of-visitors

No. Go look at actual data on SCHEV. You will see that the numbers cited are correct for the corresponding years and they are the latest available as enrolled numbers will not be finalized until after classes start.

You may be right that 2018-19 will show an uptick. That does not change the trend you called incorrect. If you are correct and the overall yield will go to 40% for 2018-19, the yield will still have declined from 53.8% in 2004-5 to 40% in 2018-19. It was 40.2% as recently as 2015-16.

Uhh, ok. That really doesn't say a single thing about anything tho. Pretty much every single college in existence has declined in yield since the Common App came into play and it became the norm to apply to more schools.

I don't know you're trying to create a "see, this is proof UVA is declining" argument or something, but either way it's an ineffective argument.

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Not your primary debater but sorry, Charlottesville bears some of the blame in not being more aware of and responsive to the issue. If they’d done more and made the tough (and in my view correct - though I don’t view Lee as a villain, merely don’t agree with his place in public spaces) decisions sooner we wouldn’t be having this conversation. We’d be arguing about UVA vs. UChicago or the merits of sororities, like a regular DCUM day.

This is a strange take.

Charlottesville's city council voted to get rid of the statues. Some white supremacists (I think the lawyer who wears old timey outfits) filed suit and there was an injunction. As the statue debate blew up in town, several other cities moved to get rid of their statues in rapid succession. Baltimore and New Orleans come to mind. There was a protest at the Silent Sam statue at UNC. A protest group took a statue in another NC city down with a rope.

I don't see Charlottesville as being late to the fight. I see them as being right in the trenches.

Virginia is a Dillon rule state, so even though most of the city and its council wants the stutes gone, it cannot make that decision. Regardless, based on UVa applications and housing for non students, UVa, the city, and surrounding Albemarle are not lacking for inhabitants.

And selectivity at UVA has continued to drop (good) and yield has continued to rise (good), and the number of applicants has continued to rise each year so It's clear that most applicants are seeing the situation correctly.

Actually in-state yield has declined from 68% in 2004-5 to 58.5% in 2017-18, declining 9 of 13 years and OOS yield has declined from 37.7% to 22.1% in the same period, declining in all but one year.

Incorrect. Yield for class of 2022 to be up at 40%. University Provost Tom Katsouleas in presenting statistics for incoming Class of 2022 to UVA Board: "atsouleas also said the overall student yield rate — or the percent of accepted applicants who decided to enroll at the University — increased from 37 percent for the Class of 2021 to 40 percent for the Class of 2022, despite a gradual decline in the yield rate for the past decade. . . He added that the decline in applicant yield rate in the past decade was the product of students applying to more colleges and universities overall and the increased usage of the online higher education application platform, the Common Application.

"Katsouleas said, despite a record number of applications, that there was uncertainty among University administrators about what the yield rate of applicants would look like after the white nationalist rallies of last summer in Charlottesville.

“The last thing we expected on this 10-year trend was a sudden upturn this significant,” Katsouleas said. “So this is really remarkable, students want to come here, and it stands out.”

"In terms of applicant diversity, Katsouleas said the Class of 2022 was the most diverse ever with 34 percent of enrolled applicants being students of color, including 349 African American or multiracial students. For the Class of 2021, Katsouleas said 33.8 percent of the class were considered minorities. The diversity of accepted applicants who enroll at the University has steadily increased since 2012. 26.5 percent of the Class of 2016 were considered minorities, while 30.8 percent were classified as such for the Class of 2018 and 32 percent for the Class of 2020. " http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2018/06/class-of-2022-admission-statistics-presented-to-board-of-visitors

No. Go look at actual data on SCHEV. You will see that the numbers cited are correct for the corresponding years and they are the latest available as enrolled numbers will not be finalized until after classes start.

You may be right that 2018-19 will show an uptick. That does not change the trend you called incorrect. If you are correct and the overall yield will go to 40% for 2018-19, the yield will still have declined from 53.8% in 2004-5 to 40% in 2018-19. It was 40.2% as recently as 2015-16.

Uhh, ok. That really doesn't say a single thing about anything tho. Pretty much every single college in existence has declined in yield since the Common App came into play and it became the norm to apply to more schools.

I don't know you're trying to create a "see, this is proof UVA is declining" argument or something, but either way it's an ineffective argument.

No, I was just trying to present the facts accurately (see the comment someone made above: "and yield has continued to rise"). If I were making the "see UVA is declining argument" I would have explicitly said just that. Note that top schools like Harvard and Stanford have seen their yield rates hold steady or go up (they are around 80%). That is a big part of how they are getting to sub 5% admission rates.

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Please read uptick in yield for class of 2022. "Katsouleas also said the overall student yield rate — or the percent of accepted applicants who decided to enroll at the University — increased from 37 percent for the Class of 2021 to 40 percent for the Class of 2022, despite a gradual decline in the yield rate for the past decade. . . He added that the decline in applicant yield rate in the past decade was the product of students applying to more colleges and universities overall and the increased usage of the online higher education application platform, the Common Application." Then he concludes that since most schools are experiencing yield drops due to more students applying to more schools, that the uptick indeed shows that the riots had no effect whatsoever: "“The last thing we expected on this 10-year trend was a sudden upturn this significant,” Katsouleas said. “So this is really remarkable, students want to come here, and it stands out.”

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Anonymous wrote:UVA has become one of the coveted universities in the country and, internationally, with Chinese and Indian students.

Well, according to USNews, it is ranked about 147 among national universities for percent of students who are international. And it is behind William & Mary, Virginia Tech, and George Mason in Virginia.

BS. UVA has consistently ranked No. 1, 2, or 3 public university with Berkeley and UCLA for the last several years. Always ahead of Michigan. https://news.virginia.edu/content/us-news-lists-uva-among-top-three-public-universities-27th-straight-year.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA has become one of the coveted universities in the country and, internationally, with Chinese and Indian students.

UVA is 70% in-state.....it's a good public state university, that's it. It's OOS and international student percentages are a joke. It's geographic diversity is a joke. It's a great affordable option for yokels in Virginia but you're delusional if you think a high achieving high school student in Mumbai. New York or Beijing has UVA as their first choice reach school.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA has become one of the coveted universities in the country and, internationally, with Chinese and Indian students.

Well, according to USNews, it is ranked about 147 among national universities for percent of students who are international. And it is behind William & Mary, Virginia Tech, and George Mason in Virginia.

BS. UVA has consistently ranked No. 1, 2, or 3 public university with Berkeley and UCLA for the last several years. Always ahead of Michigan. https://news.virginia.edu/content/us-news-lists-uva-among-top-three-public-universities-27th-straight-year.

You repeat that ad nauseum. Please read the context of the comment re: international students.

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Anonymous wrote:Please read uptick in yield for class of 2022. "Katsouleas also said the overall student yield rate — or the percent of accepted applicants who decided to enroll at the University — increased from 37 percent for the Class of 2021 to 40 percent for the Class of 2022, despite a gradual decline in the yield rate for the past decade. . . He added that the decline in applicant yield rate in the past decade was the product of students applying to more colleges and universities overall and the increased usage of the online higher education application platform, the Common Application." Then he concludes that since most schools are experiencing yield drops due to more students applying to more schools, that the uptick indeed shows that the riots had no effect whatsoever: "“The last thing we expected on this 10-year trend was a sudden upturn this significant,” Katsouleas said. “So this is really remarkable, students want to come here, and it stands out.”

Yes, it looks like they expect a one year uptick. But overall yield is down 15.9 points from 2004 to 2017. This is in line with what most schools are seeing (but not schools like Harvard and Stanford). My original comment was simply to correct the statement someone made that "yield continues to rise".

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The only 1 seed to lose to a 16 seed in the NCAA tourney is something the school will never recover from.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA has become one of the coveted universities in the country and, internationally, with Chinese and Indian students.

UVA is 70% in-state.....it's a good public state university, that's it. It's OOS and international student percentages are a joke. It's geographic diversity is a joke. It's a great affordable option for yokels in Virginia but you're delusional if you think a high achieving high school student in Mumbai. New York or Beijing has UVA as their first choice reach school.

Who cares? America First. We don't want them to come. #MAGA.

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It isn't good to begin with.

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Anonymous wrote:well?

Nothing I've seen or heard about the Nazi riots, assaults and murder in Charlottesville seems to implicate or reflect on UVA. Maybe in the short term some students might shy away, especially students of color. I don't see this harming them in the long run.

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Anonymous wrote:well?

Nothing I've seen or heard about the Nazi riots, assaults and murder in Charlottesville seems to implicate or reflect on UVA. Maybe in the short term some students might shy away, especially students of color. I don't see this harming them in the long run.

The fact that you just wrote a sentence with those words all together is telling. What a mess. I don’t disagree with the thrust of your post but it isn’t a great association and the sooner it gets resolved the better for town and school. UVA is great but this headache they don’t need.