Is the UVA and Charlottesville brand damaged forever?

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Anonymous wrote:Basically it's a state school that's not very good at any of the most demanding and difficult majors. That leaves lots of leisure time for drinking and bad/and or criminal behavior.

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That.

I wonder why, then, it is ranked as one of the top schools in the country on so many lists. Any insights?

Indeed, UVA ranks 1, 2, or 3 public university for the last 27 years. https://news.virginia.edu/content/us-news-lists-uva-among-top-three-public-universities-27th-straight-year. It's the UMD people who start these threads and those who didn't get in showing sour grapes.

But a pretty lousy research university, despite those lists being lousy with American publics. But you don’t care about those I’ll wager.

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Rednecks in the south love racism OP. They will stick with UVA. Anyone with class will go elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:well?

No. Great school, great town.

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Anonymous wrote:Most Northern college towns haven’t had a statue celebrating the fight for slavery. Overt racism is the low-hanging fruit.

Systemic racism is a larger beast we do all need to address. It will take much longer to undo the damage of generations of slavery and poverty.

Oh, there are statues to confederate people in states that didn't fight on the confederate side. I thought everyone knew that. Wow.

Systemic racism is everywhere. It's in schools, the workplace, local and state government, law enforcement. Everywhere. Too many northerners fold their arms and think this isn't their problem. Stop pointing down at Charlottesville and start working at your own table. If you aren't addressing this stuff in your family, in your workplace, and in your town, you are the problem.

I’m addressing it in my family and town. You?

What confederate statues are in Cambridge, MA? New Haven, CT? Burlington, VT? Syracuse, NY? Amherst, MA? Ithaca, NY? Ann Arbor, MI? Providence, NH?

The alt-right riot in Charlottesville was over the removal of one statue. The riots had nothing to do with UVA. It's likening a riot in Watts or Compton with USC, or a protest in Westwood with UCLA. You might be surprised to learn that confederate memorials, public and private, are all over the United States and in foreign countries as well. Please remember also that the Civil War wasn't exclusively about slavery. Confederate Memorials DO exist in Massachusetts, Vermont, New Jersey, Texas, Ohio, Kansas, California, Utah, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, Wisconsin, Maine, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Idaho, Delaware, the District of Columbia, Colorado and Hawaii. There are Confederate Memorial statues in the U.S. Capitol in the National Statuary Hall. Many of our military bases and ships, etc., were named after those who lost their lives in that terrible, bloody war. There are also Confederate Memorials in Brazil, Canada, Ireland and Scotland. I think it is good that we are reminded of the bloodshed from that event so it doesn't happen again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials

This post is about UVA *and* Charlottesville.

UVA was founded because Jefferson thought it “was necessary to protect the sons of the South from abolitionist teachings in the North.”

Charlottesville CELEBRATED the fight to keep slavery with a prominent statue in public space.

A memorial plaque in a private cemetery isn’t quite the same thing.

Virginia has 200+ monuments in public spaces. It even has a state holiday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rednecks in the south love racism OP. They will stick with UVA. Anyone with class will go elsewhere.

Well that certainly contradicts the rest of the thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Most Northern college towns haven’t had a statue celebrating the fight for slavery. Overt racism is the low-hanging fruit.

Systemic racism is a larger beast we do all need to address. It will take much longer to undo the damage of generations of slavery and poverty.

Oh, there are statues to confederate people in states that didn't fight on the confederate side. I thought everyone knew that. Wow.

Systemic racism is everywhere. It's in schools, the workplace, local and state government, law enforcement. Everywhere. Too many northerners fold their arms and think this isn't their problem. Stop pointing down at Charlottesville and start working at your own table. If you aren't addressing this stuff in your family, in your workplace, and in your town, you are the problem.

I’m addressing it in my family and town. You?

What confederate statues are in Cambridge, MA? New Haven, CT? Burlington, VT? Syracuse, NY? Amherst, MA? Ithaca, NY? Ann Arbor, MI? Providence, NH?

The alt-right riot in Charlottesville was over the removal of one statue. The riots had nothing to do with UVA. It's likening a riot in Watts or Compton with USC, or a protest in Westwood with UCLA. You might be surprised to learn that confederate memorials, public and private, are all over the United States and in foreign countries as well. Please remember also that the Civil War wasn't exclusively about slavery. Confederate Memorials DO exist in Massachusetts, Vermont, New Jersey, Texas, Ohio, Kansas, California, Utah, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, Wisconsin, Maine, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Idaho, Delaware, the District of Columbia, Colorado and Hawaii. There are Confederate Memorial statues in the U.S. Capitol in the National Statuary Hall. Many of our military bases and ships, etc., were named after those who lost their lives in that terrible, bloody war. There are also Confederate Memorials in Brazil, Canada, Ireland and Scotland. I think it is good that we are reminded of the bloodshed from that event so it doesn't happen again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials

This post is about UVA *and* Charlottesville.

UVA was founded because Jefferson thought it “was necessary to protect the sons of the South from abolitionist teachings in the North.”

Charlottesville CELEBRATED the fight to keep slavery with a prominent statue in public space.

A memorial plaque in a private cemetery isn’t quite the same thing.

Virginia has 200+ monuments in public spaces. It even has a state holiday.

Where the heck did you get that idea? Charlottesville showed up to counter protest the KKK and the Alt-Right. You are totally wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Most Northern college towns haven’t had a statue celebrating the fight for slavery. Overt racism is the low-hanging fruit.

Systemic racism is a larger beast we do all need to address. It will take much longer to undo the damage of generations of slavery and poverty.

Oh, there are statues to confederate people in states that didn't fight on the confederate side. I thought everyone knew that. Wow.

Systemic racism is everywhere. It's in schools, the workplace, local and state government, law enforcement. Everywhere. Too many northerners fold their arms and think this isn't their problem. Stop pointing down at Charlottesville and start working at your own table. If you aren't addressing this stuff in your family, in your workplace, and in your town, you are the problem.

I’m addressing it in my family and town. You?

What confederate statues are in Cambridge, MA? New Haven, CT? Burlington, VT? Syracuse, NY? Amherst, MA? Ithaca, NY? Ann Arbor, MI? Providence, NH?

The alt-right riot in Charlottesville was over the removal of one statue. The riots had nothing to do with UVA. It's likening a riot in Watts or Compton with USC, or a protest in Westwood with UCLA. You might be surprised to learn that confederate memorials, public and private, are all over the United States and in foreign countries as well. Please remember also that the Civil War wasn't exclusively about slavery. Confederate Memorials DO exist in Massachusetts, Vermont, New Jersey, Texas, Ohio, Kansas, California, Utah, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, Wisconsin, Maine, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Idaho, Delaware, the District of Columbia, Colorado and Hawaii. There are Confederate Memorial statues in the U.S. Capitol in the National Statuary Hall. Many of our military bases and ships, etc., were named after those who lost their lives in that terrible, bloody war. There are also Confederate Memorials in Brazil, Canada, Ireland and Scotland. I think it is good that we are reminded of the bloodshed from that event so it doesn't happen again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials

This post is about UVA *and* Charlottesville.

UVA was founded because Jefferson thought it “was necessary to protect the sons of the South from abolitionist teachings in the North.”

Charlottesville CELEBRATED the fight to keep slavery with a prominent statue in public space.

A memorial plaque in a private cemetery isn’t quite the same thing.

Virginia has 200+ monuments in public spaces. It even has a state holiday.

Where the heck did you get that idea? Charlottesville showed up to counter protest the KKK and the Alt-Right. You are totally wrong.

+1. Also the City was actively moving to remove it. - the exact opposite of what the first PP is stating. First the vice mayor West Bellamy called on the Charlottesville City Council to remove the statute. After studiies, eventually the City Council voted to take it down. It was this removal that triggered the alt-righters to get a permit to protest. It was then shrouded for seven months until a judge ordered that the shroud be removed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Edward_Lee_(sculpture)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Rednecks in the south love racism OP. They will stick with UVA. Anyone with class will go elsewhere.

Well that certainly contradicts the rest of the thread.

The UMD people do this. If you know enough about UVA admissions, you know what counties send students and what counties send zero to one student. I teach at UVA and have never seen a "redneck" although we are trying hard to open admissions to low-income families through the Blue Ridge scholarship program.

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Anonymous wrote:Most Northern college towns haven’t had a statue celebrating the fight for slavery. Overt racism is the low-hanging fruit.

Systemic racism is a larger beast we do all need to address. It will take much longer to undo the damage of generations of slavery and poverty.

Oh, there are statues to confederate people in states that didn't fight on the confederate side. I thought everyone knew that. Wow.

Systemic racism is everywhere. It's in schools, the workplace, local and state government, law enforcement. Everywhere. Too many northerners fold their arms and think this isn't their problem. Stop pointing down at Charlottesville and start working at your own table. If you aren't addressing this stuff in your family, in your workplace, and in your town, you are the problem.

I’m addressing it in my family and town. You?

What confederate statues are in Cambridge, MA? New Haven, CT? Burlington, VT? Syracuse, NY? Amherst, MA? Ithaca, NY? Ann Arbor, MI? Providence, NH?

The alt-right riot in Charlottesville was over the removal of one statue. The riots had nothing to do with UVA. It's likening a riot in Watts or Compton with USC, or a protest in Westwood with UCLA. You might be surprised to learn that confederate memorials, public and private, are all over the United States and in foreign countries as well. Please remember also that the Civil War wasn't exclusively about slavery. Confederate Memorials DO exist in Massachusetts, Vermont, New Jersey, Texas, Ohio, Kansas, California, Utah, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, Wisconsin, Maine, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Idaho, Delaware, the District of Columbia, Colorado and Hawaii. There are Confederate Memorial statues in the U.S. Capitol in the National Statuary Hall. Many of our military bases and ships, etc., were named after those who lost their lives in that terrible, bloody war. There are also Confederate Memorials in Brazil, Canada, Ireland and Scotland. I think it is good that we are reminded of the bloodshed from that event so it doesn't happen again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials

This post is about UVA *and* Charlottesville.

UVA was founded because Jefferson thought it “was necessary to protect the sons of the South from abolitionist teachings in the North.”

Charlottesville CELEBRATED the fight to keep slavery with a prominent statue in public space.

A memorial plaque in a private cemetery isn’t quite the same thing.

Virginia has 200+ monuments in public spaces. It even has a state holiday.

Where the heck did you get that idea? Charlottesville showed up to counter protest the KKK and the Alt-Right. You are totally wrong.

+1. Also the City was actively moving to remove it. - the exact opposite of what the first PP is stating. First the vice mayor West Bellamy called on the Charlottesville City Council to remove the statute. After studiies, eventually the City Council voted to take it down. It was this removal that triggered the alt-righters to get a permit to protest. It was then shrouded for seven months until a judge ordered that the shroud be removed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Edward_Lee_(sculpture)

So the KKK snuck the statue into the park? No, the city put it there and waited until 2017 to remove it. The celebration of slave mongers continued for decades.

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Anonymous wrote:Most Northern college towns haven’t had a statue celebrating the fight for slavery. Overt racism is the low-hanging fruit.

Systemic racism is a larger beast we do all need to address. It will take much longer to undo the damage of generations of slavery and poverty.

Oh, there are statues to confederate people in states that didn't fight on the confederate side. I thought everyone knew that. Wow.

Systemic racism is everywhere. It's in schools, the workplace, local and state government, law enforcement. Everywhere. Too many northerners fold their arms and think this isn't their problem. Stop pointing down at Charlottesville and start working at your own table. If you aren't addressing this stuff in your family, in your workplace, and in your town, you are the problem.

I’m addressing it in my family and town. You?

What confederate statues are in Cambridge, MA? New Haven, CT? Burlington, VT? Syracuse, NY? Amherst, MA? Ithaca, NY? Ann Arbor, MI? Providence, NH?

The alt-right riot in Charlottesville was over the removal of one statue. The riots had nothing to do with UVA. It's likening a riot in Watts or Compton with USC, or a protest in Westwood with UCLA. You might be surprised to learn that confederate memorials, public and private, are all over the United States and in foreign countries as well. Please remember also that the Civil War wasn't exclusively about slavery. Confederate Memorials DO exist in Massachusetts, Vermont, New Jersey, Texas, Ohio, Kansas, California, Utah, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, Wisconsin, Maine, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Idaho, Delaware, the District of Columbia, Colorado and Hawaii. There are Confederate Memorial statues in the U.S. Capitol in the National Statuary Hall. Many of our military bases and ships, etc., were named after those who lost their lives in that terrible, bloody war. There are also Confederate Memorials in Brazil, Canada, Ireland and Scotland. I think it is good that we are reminded of the bloodshed from that event so it doesn't happen again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials

This post is about UVA *and* Charlottesville.

UVA was founded because Jefferson thought it “was necessary to protect the sons of the South from abolitionist teachings in the North.”

Charlottesville CELEBRATED the fight to keep slavery with a prominent statue in public space.

A memorial plaque in a private cemetery isn’t quite the same thing.

Virginia has 200+ monuments in public spaces. It even has a state holiday.

Where the heck did you get that idea? Charlottesville showed up to counter protest the KKK and the Alt-Right. You are totally wrong.

+1. Also the City was actively moving to remove it. - the exact opposite of what the first PP is stating. First the vice mayor West Bellamy called on the Charlottesville City Council to remove the statute. After studiies, eventually the City Council voted to take it down. It was this removal that triggered the alt-righters to get a permit to protest. It was then shrouded for seven months until a judge ordered that the shroud be removed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Edward_Lee_(sculpture)

So the KKK snuck the statue into the park? No, the city put it there and waited until 2017 to remove it. The celebration of slave mongers continued for decades.

No, it didn't. It was a 1917 PRIVATE commission by philanthrapist Paul Goodloe McIntire on PRIVATE land he later donated. He commissioned the statue from the artist Henry Shrady (1871–1922). It was the second of four works he commissioned from members of the National Sculpture Society. McIntire wanted a public setting for the statue, buying a city block of land and demolishing existing structures on it to create a formal landscaped square, later named Lee Park, the first of four parks he would donate to Charlottesville. The statue is listed on many national historical landmark sites.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Racism s more than just confederate statues. Believe it or not the most uncomfortable I've ever been as a POC has been on Nantucket especially at private beach clubs. While the South has confederate statues which need to go, other parts of the country have racist institutions that need to be confronted.

Were you uncomfortable because you felt out of place being the only (or one of the only) POC there or did anybody do or say anything to make you uncomfortable?

Probably this. I came from a lower class background so that did not help. I have been fortunate to travel to Appalachia and while I know there is racism there, the people were kind to me. I think we related on a class level. In Nantucket, there was a Northeastern culture that I did not feel like I could relate to.

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Anonymous wrote:Basically it's a state school that's not very good at any of the most demanding and difficult majors. That leaves lots of leisure time for drinking and bad/and or criminal behavior.

+1000
That.

I wonder why, then, it is ranked as one of the top schools in the country on so many lists. Any insights?

Indeed, UVA ranks 1, 2, or 3 public university for the last 27 years. https://news.virginia.edu/content/us-news-lists-uva-among-top-three-public-universities-27th-straight-year. It's the UMD people who start these threads and those who didn't get in showing sour grapes.

But a pretty lousy research university, despite those lists being lousy with American publics. But you don’t care about those I’ll wager.

Based on your comment, you make it sound like that's all you care about. How odd.

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Anonymous wrote:Most Northern college towns haven’t had a statue celebrating the fight for slavery. Overt racism is the low-hanging fruit.

Systemic racism is a larger beast we do all need to address. It will take much longer to undo the damage of generations of slavery and poverty.

Oh, there are statues to confederate people in states that didn't fight on the confederate side. I thought everyone knew that. Wow.

Systemic racism is everywhere. It's in schools, the workplace, local and state government, law enforcement. Everywhere. Too many northerners fold their arms and think this isn't their problem. Stop pointing down at Charlottesville and start working at your own table. If you aren't addressing this stuff in your family, in your workplace, and in your town, you are the problem.

I’m addressing it in my family and town. You?

What confederate statues are in Cambridge, MA? New Haven, CT? Burlington, VT? Syracuse, NY? Amherst, MA? Ithaca, NY? Ann Arbor, MI? Providence, NH?

The alt-right riot in Charlottesville was over the removal of one statue. The riots had nothing to do with UVA. It's likening a riot in Watts or Compton with USC, or a protest in Westwood with UCLA. You might be surprised to learn that confederate memorials, public and private, are all over the United States and in foreign countries as well. Please remember also that the Civil War wasn't exclusively about slavery. Confederate Memorials DO exist in Massachusetts, Vermont, New Jersey, Texas, Ohio, Kansas, California, Utah, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, Wisconsin, Maine, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Idaho, Delaware, the District of Columbia, Colorado and Hawaii. There are Confederate Memorial statues in the U.S. Capitol in the National Statuary Hall. Many of our military bases and ships, etc., were named after those who lost their lives in that terrible, bloody war. There are also Confederate Memorials in Brazil, Canada, Ireland and Scotland. I think it is good that we are reminded of the bloodshed from that event so it doesn't happen again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials

This post is about UVA *and* Charlottesville.

UVA was founded because Jefferson thought it “was necessary to protect the sons of the South from abolitionist teachings in the North.”

Charlottesville CELEBRATED the fight to keep slavery with a prominent statue in public space.

A memorial plaque in a private cemetery isn’t quite the same thing.

Virginia has 200+ monuments in public spaces. It even has a state holiday.

Where the heck did you get that idea? Charlottesville showed up to counter protest the KKK and the Alt-Right. You are totally wrong.

+1. Also the City was actively moving to remove it. - the exact opposite of what the first PP is stating. First the vice mayor West Bellamy called on the Charlottesville City Council to remove the statute. After studiies, eventually the City Council voted to take it down. It was this removal that triggered the alt-righters to get a permit to protest. It was then shrouded for seven months until a judge ordered that the shroud be removed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Edward_Lee_(sculpture)

So the KKK snuck the statue into the park? No, the city put it there and waited until 2017 to remove it. The celebration of slave mongers continued for decades.

No, it didn't. It was a 1917 PRIVATE commission by philanthrapist Paul Goodloe McIntire on PRIVATE land he later donated. He commissioned the statue from the artist Henry Shrady (1871–1922). It was the second of four works he commissioned from members of the National Sculpture Society. McIntire wanted a public setting for the statue, buying a city block of land and demolishing existing structures on it to create a formal landscaped square, later named Lee Park, the first of four parks he would donate to Charlottesville. The statue is listed on many national historical landmark sites.

And the city refused it? Took the land, but removed the monument? Nope. The city celebrated the fight for slavery for decades.

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Anonymous wrote:well?

No. Great school, great town.

I’d downgrade somewhat to very good school and sort of interesting town.

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Anonymous wrote:Basically it's a state school that's not very good at any of the most demanding and difficult majors. That leaves lots of leisure time for drinking and bad/and or criminal behavior.

+1000
That.

I wonder why, then, it is ranked as one of the top schools in the country on so many lists. Any insights?

Indeed, UVA ranks 1, 2, or 3 public university for the last 27 years. https://news.virginia.edu/content/us-news-lists-uva-among-top-three-public-universities-27th-straight-year. It's the UMD people who start these threads and those who didn't get in showing sour grapes.

But a pretty lousy research university, despite those lists being lousy with American publics. But you don’t care about those I’ll wager.

Based on your comment, you make it sound like that's all you care about. How odd.

Not remotely, and there’s nothing in my post to indicate so. But you want to ignore it and that’s extremely odd. For such an excellent university UVA is weirdly unimportant and underfunded in research. Let me guess: you think that’s a good thing.