Do you consider race when looking for a neighborhood to live in?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm always surprised by the high percentage of Obama bumper stickers as I drive into DC from Bethesda, passing through upper NW. Just so surprising that all those fine progressives just happen to live in such lily-white neighborhoods. Must be an accident. Clearly. Their realtors obviously were prohibited from warning them.

Just because I voted for Obama and support liberal policies doesn't mean I have to want to live in an economically diverse neighborhood or a neighborhood where I am in a racial minority. It also doesn't mean that I have to want to send my kids to an underperforming school filled with struggling kids. That's a common misconception in this country (I'm originally from Europe). I'd only be a hypocrite if I wasn't willing to help pay for the policies that I support through taxes, or if I was proclaiming that I valued diversity in my personal home environment.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm always surprised by the high percentage of Obama bumper stickers as I drive into DC from Bethesda, passing through upper NW. Just so surprising that all those fine progressives just happen to live in such lily-white neighborhoods. Must be an accident. Clearly. Their realtors obviously were prohibited from warning them.

Just because I voted for Obama and support liberal policies doesn't mean I have to want to live in an economically diverse neighborhood or a neighborhood where I am in a racial minority. It also doesn't mean that I have to want to send my kids to an underperforming school filled with struggling kids. That's a common misconception in this country (I'm originally from Europe). I'd only be a hypocrite if I wasn't willing to help pay for the policies that I support through taxes, or if I was proclaiming that I valued diversity in my personal home environment.

PP again. And yes, I do value cultural (which by the way we have in Upper NW) and even true racial diversity, but I would never claim that I would seek out economic diversity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why whites are "racist" if they want to live among other whites. Given the fact that demographics other than whites or Asians are far more likely to commit violent crime and property crime, it seems reasonable. Even the most shrill liberal won't endanger their children by moving to an ethnic neighborhood.

Is it the same sicko spouting the same garbage who is commenting in any and all threads that have even the hint of racial politics in them?
Your speel is ignorant, tired and not factual.

I know that it is not politically correct to acknowledge facts when they don't fit the PC narrative, but you'd better believe that people consider them when they choose where to live. African Americans are 12.2% of the U.S. population, yet according to the FBI they constitute 56% of the arrests for burglary, 52% for murder, 30% for burglary, 31% for rape, etc. https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43 I'm sure you explain this by saying that police are racist and only arrest AAs, but those are some huge disparities.

I like how you failed to show the crime rates for whites in the same categories you stated for Blacks. I guess it goes against your argument that Blacks are more criminal. No matter, I'll do what you conveniently left out. Rape =66%, burglary = 68%, arson = 74%, DUI = 84%, vandalism = 70%, prostitution = 54%, sex offenses (except prostitution and rape) = 72% and the list goes on. Now considering that most white people live in majority white communities, it stands to reason that whites have a serious crime problem in their communities.

Listen, I'm not the poster you're arguing with, but you are missing some important math here. White people constitute 78% of the population, which means they are disproportionally less likely to to commit all of the crimes you listed above except DUI. Most while people do live in primarily white communities, but this poster above you is right that any one white individual in those neighborhoods is statistically less likely to commit a crime. I don't agree that this should directly drive people's housing decisions, but math exists.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why whites are "racist" if they want to live among other whites. Given the fact that demographics other than whites or Asians are far more likely to commit violent crime and property crime, it seems reasonable. Even the most shrill liberal won't endanger their children by moving to an ethnic neighborhood.

Is it the same sicko spouting the same garbage who is commenting in any and all threads that have even the hint of racial politics in them?
Your speel is ignorant, tired and not factual.

I know that it is not politically correct to acknowledge facts when they don't fit the PC narrative, but you'd better believe that people consider them when they choose where to live. African Americans are 12.2% of the U.S. population, yet according to the FBI they constitute 56% of the arrests for burglary, 52% for murder, 30% for burglary, 31% for rape, etc. https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43 I'm sure you explain this by saying that police are racist and only arrest AAs, but those are some huge disparities.

I like how you failed to show the crime rates for whites in the same categories you stated for Blacks. I guess it goes against your argument that Blacks are more criminal. No matter, I'll do what you conveniently left out. Rape =66%, burglary = 68%, arson = 74%, DUI = 84%, vandalism = 70%, prostitution = 54%, sex offenses (except prostitution and rape) = 72% and the list goes on. Now considering that most white people live in majority white communities, it stands to reason that whites have a serious crime problem in their communities.

Listen, I'm not the poster you're arguing with, but you are missing some important math here. White people constitute 78% of the population, which means they are disproportionally less likely to to commit all of the crimes you listed above except DUI. Most while people do live in primarily white communities, but this poster above you is right that any one white individual in those neighborhoods is statistically less likely to commit a crime. I don't agree that this should directly drive people's housing decisions, but math exists.

Different poster here. I think pp is right about the proportionate *arrest* rate. But I think the difference is inflated because it is an arrest rate. For example, depending on how you slice the data, the rate of drug use among blacks and whites is around the same but blacks are arrested at a much higher rate. Not going to argue that there's no difference in crime between majority white and majority black neighborhoods but judging it based on the arrest rate alone is likely to skew the data. Whites are less likely to be arrested for drug use. What I've heard is that it's because sales and use are more likely to occur inside one's residence.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why whites are "racist" if they want to live among other whites. Given the fact that demographics other than whites or Asians are far more likely to commit violent crime and property crime, it seems reasonable. Even the most shrill liberal won't endanger their children by moving to an ethnic neighborhood.

Is it the same sicko spouting the same garbage who is commenting in any and all threads that have even the hint of racial politics in them?
Your speel is ignorant, tired and not factual.

I know that it is not politically correct to acknowledge facts when they don't fit the PC narrative, but you'd better believe that people consider them when they choose where to live. African Americans are 12.2% of the U.S. population, yet according to the FBI they constitute 56% of the arrests for burglary, 52% for murder, 30% for burglary, 31% for rape, etc. https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43 I'm sure you explain this by saying that police are racist and only arrest AAs, but those are some huge disparities.

I like how you failed to show the crime rates for whites in the same categories you stated for Blacks. I guess it goes against your argument that Blacks are more criminal. No matter, I'll do what you conveniently left out. Rape =66%, burglary = 68%, arson = 74%, DUI = 84%, vandalism = 70%, prostitution = 54%, sex offenses (except prostitution and rape) = 72% and the list goes on. Now considering that most white people live in majority white communities, it stands to reason that whites have a serious crime problem in their communities.

As the PP pointed out, whites are 78% of the population and are therefore underrepresented in all of the crimes you listed save DUIs. So you may think that AAs are being arrested for tons of crimes they didn't commit (it's a setup I swear!!), but the numbers are pretty clear.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why whites are "racist" if they want to live among other whites. Given the fact that demographics other than whites or Asians are far more likely to commit violent crime and property crime, it seems reasonable. Even the most shrill liberal won't endanger their children by moving to an ethnic neighborhood.

Is it the same sicko spouting the same garbage who is commenting in any and all threads that have even the hint of racial politics in them?
Your speel is ignorant, tired and not factual.

I know that it is not politically correct to acknowledge facts when they don't fit the PC narrative, but you'd better believe that people consider them when they choose where to live. African Americans are 12.2% of the U.S. population, yet according to the FBI they constitute 56% of the arrests for burglary, 52% for murder, 30% for burglary, 31% for rape, etc. https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43 I'm sure you explain this by saying that police are racist and only arrest AAs, but those are some huge disparities.

I like how you failed to show the crime rates for whites in the same categories you stated for Blacks. I guess it goes against your argument that Blacks are more criminal. No matter, I'll do what you conveniently left out. Rape =66%, burglary = 68%, arson = 74%, DUI = 84%, vandalism = 70%, prostitution = 54%, sex offenses (except prostitution and rape) = 72% and the list goes on. Now considering that most white people live in majority white communities, it stands to reason that whites have a serious crime problem in their communities.

Listen, I'm not the poster you're arguing with, but you are missing some important math here. White people constitute 78% of the population, which means they are disproportionally less likely to to commit all of the crimes you listed above except DUI. Most while people do live in primarily white communities, but this poster above you is right that any one white individual in those neighborhoods is statistically less likely to commit a crime. I don't agree that this should directly drive people's housing decisions, but math exists.

Different poster here. I think pp is right about the proportionate *arrest* rate. But I think the difference is inflated because it is an arrest rate. For example, depending on how you slice the data, the rate of drug use among blacks and whites is around the same but blacks are arrested at a much higher rate. Not going to argue that there's no difference in crime between majority white and majority black neighborhoods but judging it based on the arrest rate alone is likely to skew the data. Whites are less likely to be arrested for drug use. What I've heard is that it's because sales and use are more likely to occur inside one's residence.

I don't care about arrest numbers for drug use, what really matters is the violent crime statistics.

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Anonymous wrote:My AA parents bought a home in 2003 in a predominantly white but changing neighborhood. When my parents went to close on the house my mom asked the woman why they were selling because she cried the entire time. The woman said her husband hates the diversity of Northern Virginia in the last few years and refuses to leave the house. So she said they were moving to West Virginia. Though their current neighbors have lived in the house next door for over 60 years and are the friendliest old (white) people.

Wow, I can't imagine that being a reason to move, and I also can't imagine him saying it to an AA person at the closing!

The poster said that the wife gave that reason for the family move. I don't know why you can't imagine that conversation. Some people are not closeted about their beliefs. And if you ask them a question, you need to be prepared for the answer.

Poster here. The wife didn't give specific ethnicities. Though the neighbors that moved across the street before my parents closed were Afghan. It was a weird convo but this is pretty mild. I can't speak for all black people, but we've seen far worse. This story has been laughed at many times by our family. The neighborhood is wonderful and the increasing diversity is great!

[Anonymous]

I would get the fck out rerard

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Anonymous wrote:I'm always surprised by the high percentage of Obama bumper stickers as I drive into DC from Bethesda, passing through upper NW. Just so surprising that all those fine progressives just happen to live in such lily-white neighborhoods. Must be an accident. Clearly. Their realtors obviously were prohibited from warning them.

Just because I voted for Obama and support liberal policies doesn't mean I have to want to live in an economically diverse neighborhood or a neighborhood where I am in a racial minority. It also doesn't mean that I have to want to send my kids to an underperforming school filled with struggling kids. That's a common misconception in this country (I'm originally from Europe). I'd only be a hypocrite if I wasn't willing to help pay for the policies that I support through taxes, or if I was proclaiming that I valued diversity in my personal home environment.

PP again. And yes, I do value cultural (which by the way we have in Upper NW) and even true racial diversity, but I would never claim that I would seek out economic diversity.

Hypocrisy is a uniquely human trait, but the inability to recognize it in oneself is a trait most often seen in so-called progressives. I voted R Reagan to Romney, and I have always enjoyed living in a diverse neighborhood (and have lived in many), but that does not mean that I want some G-11 at HUD making that decision for me and taking money away from my children to pay for it.

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PP again. And yes, I do value cultural (which by the way we have in Upper NW) and even true racial diversity, but I would never claim that I would seek out economic diversity.

Homeowners vs renters?
I know one condo building where one resident had a baby with colic. Once it became known they were renters the complaints started to come.
Babies of home owners know they are better and do not have colic

[Anonymous]

If you control for income black and white men commit crime at the same rates for the most part. Whites (without controlling for income) are slightly more likely to use drugs. White and black children are just as likely to commit crime, white children are vastly less likely to be reported for it or arrested (that school yard fight in high school where the white kid gets suspended and at another school the black kid gets arrested).

What the OP is asking about is affluent blacks buying in her affluent community. Some of you seem hellbent on proving blacks are inferior or are more violent, but you are wrong. Stick to the relevant facts and you will see if blacks can buy in your neighborhood, they are probably really similar to you (gasp).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you control for income black and white men commit crime at the same rates for the most part. Whites (without controlling for income) are slightly more likely to use drugs. White and black children are just as likely to commit crime, white children are vastly less likely to be reported for it or arrested (that school yard fight in high school where the white kid gets suspended and at another school the black kid gets arrested).

What the OP is asking about is affluent blacks buying in her affluent community. Some of you seem hellbent on proving blacks are inferior or are more violent, but you are wrong. Stick to the relevant facts and you will see if blacks can buy in your neighborhood, they are probably really similar to you (gasp).

Exactly. And this is why even many progressives will prefer to live in "lily white" upper NW or Bethesda, and that decision does not make them hypocrites. They simply want to live in a neighborhood with low crime and good schools. Now in this city, the low crime and good schools neighborhoods still tend to be very white. Not wanting to be a pioneer (and make your kids be a pioneer) in trying to change that doesn't make one a hypocrite. Their decision is not about race, it is about safety and schools and those are causally linked to SES, not race.

[Anonymous]

Of course people consider race when looking for a neighborhood to live in! People (especially white people) who say otherwise are just trying to feel better about themselves and aren't being honest.

[Anonymous]

Science has proven that asians are good

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Anonymous wrote:I'm white. I don't want to be in an all-anything neighborhood because it'll either be too snoozeville (full of hot yoga and dog groomers), OR full of shitty take-out spots and dominican salons

Screw you. Dominican salons are awesome! I go weekly. Signed, African American with HHI of 315K