Do you consider race when looking for a neighborhood to live in?

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If you look at housing patterns, pretty much everyone does. Few admit it, however.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why whites are "racist" if they want to live among other whites. Given the fact that demographics other than whites or Asians are far more likely to commit violent crime and property crime, it seems reasonable. Even the most shrill liberal won't endanger their children by moving to an ethnic neighborhood.

Is it the same sicko spouting the same garbage who is commenting in any and all threads that have even the hint of racial politics in them?
Your speel is ignorant, tired and not factual.

I know that it is not politically correct to acknowledge facts when they don't fit the PC narrative, but you'd better believe that people consider them when they choose where to live. African Americans are 12.2% of the U.S. population, yet according to the FBI they constitute 56% of the arrests for burglary, 52% for murder, 30% for burglary, 31% for rape, etc. https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43 I'm sure you explain this by saying that police are racist and only arrest AAs, but those are some huge disparities.

You have to consider these data in the context of SES. Upper middle class, educated black families are not committing burglaries, murders, rapes, etc. If you move to an upper middle class neighborhood with good schools, and some black and Latino families happen to live there, none of this would apply.

The point is that those folks aren't moving to Trinidad or deep Anacostia.
Agreed. But if you are considering buying in Brookland DC or H Street, the neighboring areas are not full of upper middle class folks. If the debate is north Arlington vs. Nuck, they yes you're probably right that Nauck isn't too much more dangerous.

Well then why have so many white people chosen to live in places like Capitol Hill and NoMa? Crime is still a problem in these areas.

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Anonymous wrote:If you look at housing patterns, pretty much everyone does. Few admit it, however.

Lol. Yes this thread has demonstrated the second part of your statement. "I love and seek out diversity but just happen to live in a 90% white neighborhood!"

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Anonymous wrote:If you look at housing patterns, pretty much everyone does. Few admit it, however.

Lol. Yes this thread has demonstrated the second part of your statement. "I love and seek out diversity but just happen to live in a 90% white neighborhood!"

I personally have no issue with those who prefer to live among people like themselves. Seems natural to me. I agree and do find it tiresome when people who live in a 99% white neighborhood crow about their love of diversity, when their revealed preference is quite to the contrary.

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Anonymous wrote:Just to be clear, it is illegal for any one involved in helping you buy a home to steer anyone to or from any neighborhood because of race. That means realtors, lenders, assessors, etc. can't talk about the racial composition of residents or the school population. The fact that there is still rampant housing discrimination and terrible residential segregation does not make anyone's desire to avoid people of color less morally repugnant.

And, no it is not the same for whites and people of color. A person of color weighing whether there are other like them in a neighborhood are considering whether they will get stopped by cops when driving home and whether their new neighbors will slash their tires or beat up their children.

While, sadly, you are right about the police stops, whites have just as much (or little) reason to worry about neighbors slashing their tires or beating up their children when they move into an all black neighborhood as blacks when they move into an all white area.

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Anonymous wrote:It's called "white flight," https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight

It's not a new thing.

It's not necessarily white flight in this sense, as Asians are having "issues," too.

They changed it to bright flight - meaning that educated folks (usually those with means) of any race would turn their backs on others who haven't quite "made it."

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Not race, but I would find it hard to be the only Jewish family living in a place. By no means would I have to leave be in a majority-Jewish neighborhood, but there would need to be some presence in the town at least.

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Anonymous wrote:Not race, but I would find it hard to be the only Jewish family living in a place. By no means would I have to leave be in a majority-Jewish neighborhood, but there would need to be some presence in the town at least.

**live in, not leave be. Silly autocorrect!

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The racial makeup of a neighborhood is not a factor to me. BUT, we did move neighborhoods in Arlington after our son started at Kenmore middle school. So many of the students were ESL that it created a pretty poor learning environment for my son. So in that respect, race/ethnic composition does matter.

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Anonymous wrote:Just to be clear, it is illegal for any one involved in helping you buy a home to steer anyone to or from any neighborhood because of race. That means realtors, lenders, assessors, etc. can't talk about the racial composition of residents or the school population. The fact that there is still rampant housing discrimination and terrible residential segregation does not make anyone's desire to avoid people of color less morally repugnant.

And, no it is not the same for whites and people of color. A person of color weighing whether there are other like them in a neighborhood are considering whether they will get stopped by cops when driving home and whether their new neighbors will slash their tires or beat up their children.

While, sadly, you are right about the police stops, whites have just as much (or little) reason to worry about neighbors slashing their tires or beating up their children when they move into an all black neighborhood as blacks when they move into an all white area.

No they don't. When I moved into my all black neighborhood, I was amazed (and humbled) to find my neighbors were friendly and welcoming. There is no equivalency here.

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Anonymous wrote:The other thing about California is that it didn't receive large numbers of Black folks during the Great Migration, as it was not an industrial center.

So, the dwindling numbers of Black people in Oakland and LA are definitely cause for concern, but there are historical reasons why the Black population of California was never more than maybe 10%.

+1. That's the primary reason.

+2. Likewise Washington and Oregon.

Well, Oregon was founded as a Klan state (and used to encompass much of present-day Washington), so that's a bit of a different kettle of fish.

Oregon became a state in the 1850s. The Klan did not exist until after 1865. Oregon territory included all of present day Washington State, but when Oregon became a state it did not.

So much misinformation on this thread.

You should probably do a little more study on Oregon's history. I'll get you started.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1210559107109450.xml

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why whites are "racist" if they want to live among other whites. Given the fact that demographics other than whites or Asians are far more likely to commit violent crime and property crime, it seems reasonable. Even the most shrill liberal won't endanger their children by moving to an ethnic neighborhood.

Is it the same sicko spouting the same garbage who is commenting in any and all threads that have even the hint of racial politics in them?
Your speel is ignorant, tired and not factual.

I think you're being naive thinking it is only one incessant poster.

I was referring to the specific phrasing and repetition of the same thought. I am under no delusions that there are not a lot of ignorant, racist mofos posting on this board.

No, you should be under no such delusion about any board on which you are posting.

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I'm always surprised by the high percentage of Obama bumper stickers as I drive into DC from Bethesda, passing through upper NW. Just so surprising that all those fine progressives just happen to live in such lily-white neighborhoods. Must be an accident. Clearly. Their realtors obviously were prohibited from warning them.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why whites are "racist" if they want to live among other whites. Given the fact that demographics other than whites or Asians are far more likely to commit violent crime and property crime, it seems reasonable. Even the most shrill liberal won't endanger their children by moving to an ethnic neighborhood.

you sound like you really want to say that Blacks are more likely to commit violent and property crimes, say it, it's an anonymous forum. However, data show that whites commit more violent and property crimes than any other racialized group. Data also shows that whites are more likely to be victimized by other whites. If you have any crime data to back up your assertion about certain demographics, please share.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why whites are "racist" if they want to live among other whites. Given the fact that demographics other than whites or Asians are far more likely to commit violent crime and property crime, it seems reasonable. Even the most shrill liberal won't endanger their children by moving to an ethnic neighborhood.

Is it the same sicko spouting the same garbage who is commenting in any and all threads that have even the hint of racial politics in them?
Your speel is ignorant, tired and not factual.

I know that it is not politically correct to acknowledge facts when they don't fit the PC narrative, but you'd better believe that people consider them when they choose where to live. African Americans are 12.2% of the U.S. population, yet according to the FBI they constitute 56% of the arrests for burglary, 52% for murder, 30% for burglary, 31% for rape, etc. https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43 I'm sure you explain this by saying that police are racist and only arrest AAs, but those are some huge disparities.

I like how you failed to show the crime rates for whites in the same categories you stated for Blacks. I guess it goes against your argument that Blacks are more criminal. No matter, I'll do what you conveniently left out. Rape =66%, burglary = 68%, arson = 74%, DUI = 84%, vandalism = 70%, prostitution = 54%, sex offenses (except prostitution and rape) = 72% and the list goes on. Now considering that most white people live in majority white communities, it stands to reason that whites have a serious crime problem in their communities.