FCPS investigating alleged instances of staff arranging abortions for students

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Anonymous wrote:Lot of legal scholars here lol

Only the looniest would think this is ok or defensible.

Has anyone here said that this is OK or defensible?

Are you joking? Have you even read this thread, starting on page 1??
DP

Any time an abortion happens, it is a good thing. How is a 17 year old having a child good in any way?

Wow. A new low for DCUM

You did not answer the question. How is a 17 year old having a child good in any way?

Obama's mother was 19.

Yes, and her life would have been way better if she could have disentangled herself from his weirdo father.

Obama was raised mostly by his white maternal grandparents.

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Anonymous wrote:Lot of legal scholars here lol

Only the looniest would think this is ok or defensible.

Has anyone here said that this is OK or defensible?

Are you joking? Have you even read this thread, starting on page 1??
DP

Any time an abortion happens, it is a good thing. How is a 17 year old having a child good in any way?

Wow. A new low for DCUM

You did not answer the question. How is a 17 year old having a child good in any way?

Who made you legal guardian of the kid?

“Children raised by Government” is literally part of Agenda 2030.

Check that out yourselves.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let parents do the parenting. Why is that so hard for fcps? Do they think we all abuse our children or something? If you suspect abuse, report to social services. Otherwise, do your job and stick the classroom.

I love my daughters. Yes I would be upset if one of them came home pregnant but we would work through it as a family and would ensure she has the support she needs for whatever decision she makes. Of course any 17 year old is scared to tell her parents something she knows will disappoint them. However, a 17 year old is a CHILD. And she needs her parents in this situation whether she realizes it or not. Was the teacher there to check on this girl at 2am the night after the abortion to make sure she was still ok? I bet her mom would have been.

Fcps is all about tearing the family apart and keeping secrets. It’s disgusting.

If your 17 year old gets pregnant and you do not get her an abortion, you are a horribly immoral person.

To me this is not a pro life/pro choice debate. The problem here is the school overstepping and leaving parents out of the equation. No one loves a child like her own parents and family do. Why do you assume a teacher could provide better support than her own family?

NP. I'm actually sort of pro-life, in that I think abortion is immoral, but I'm not sure how you regulate it in a society where most people disagree with me.

That said, I don't know how you get to be an adult with realizing that a lot of parents provide terrible support. My best friend in high school was a girl who had an abortion around that age (technically 18, but not by much), and her mom would have been totally unable to provide support in that instant. I did a better job providing support, and I was an 18 year old friend and nothing else. I don't know what the circumstances of this girl were (and I understand why the school system would want a blanket policy here), but I know for a fact there are situations where a counselor would be right to look at a student's home life and think "I can support this kid better than her parents."

"No one loves a child like her own parents and family do" is just bullshit in the actual world.

Once you have a child of your own you’ll be able to understand that such is the love of a mother that she would give her own life for her child, if needed be. I can’t say the same about an outsider, that would include a counselor.

I have a child of my own. I love her like you're describing. I also live in the real world, where I've met lots of parents who hate their kids, or love them and hurt them anyway. Life isn't a Hallmark card.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let parents do the parenting. Why is that so hard for fcps? Do they think we all abuse our children or something? If you suspect abuse, report to social services. Otherwise, do your job and stick the classroom.

I love my daughters. Yes I would be upset if one of them came home pregnant but we would work through it as a family and would ensure she has the support she needs for whatever decision she makes. Of course any 17 year old is scared to tell her parents something she knows will disappoint them. However, a 17 year old is a CHILD. And she needs her parents in this situation whether she realizes it or not. Was the teacher there to check on this girl at 2am the night after the abortion to make sure she was still ok? I bet her mom would have been.

Fcps is all about tearing the family apart and keeping secrets. It’s disgusting.

If your 17 year old gets pregnant and you do not get her an abortion, you are a horribly immoral person.

To me this is not a pro life/pro choice debate. The problem here is the school overstepping and leaving parents out of the equation. No one loves a child like her own parents and family do. Why do you assume a teacher could provide better support than her own family?

NP. I'm actually sort of pro-life, in that I think abortion is immoral, but I'm not sure how you regulate it in a society where most people disagree with me.

That said, I don't know how you get to be an adult with realizing that a lot of parents provide terrible support. My best friend in high school was a girl who had an abortion around that age (technically 18, but not by much), and her mom would have been totally unable to provide support in that instant. I did a better job providing support, and I was an 18 year old friend and nothing else. I don't know what the circumstances of this girl were (and I understand why the school system would want a blanket policy here), but I know for a fact there are situations where a counselor would be right to look at a student's home life and think "I can support this kid better than her parents."

"No one loves a child like her own parents and family do" is just bullshit in the actual world.

Once you have a child of your own you’ll be able to understand that such is the love of a mother that she would give her own life for her child, if needed be. I can’t say the same about an outsider, that would include a counselor.

+1

How sad so many of the PPs can’t seem to fathom the idea of loving parents.

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Anonymous wrote:Let parents do the parenting. Why is that so hard for fcps? Do they think we all abuse our children or something? If you suspect abuse, report to social services. Otherwise, do your job and stick the classroom.

I love my daughters. Yes I would be upset if one of them came home pregnant but we would work through it as a family and would ensure she has the support she needs for whatever decision she makes. Of course any 17 year old is scared to tell her parents something she knows will disappoint them. However, a 17 year old is a CHILD. And she needs her parents in this situation whether she realizes it or not. Was the teacher there to check on this girl at 2am the night after the abortion to make sure she was still ok? I bet her mom would have been.

Fcps is all about tearing the family apart and keeping secrets. It’s disgusting.

If your 17 year old gets pregnant and you do not get her an abortion, you are a horribly immoral person.

To me this is not a pro life/pro choice debate. The problem here is the school overstepping and leaving parents out of the equation. No one loves a child like her own parents and family do. Why do you assume a teacher could provide better support than her own family?

NP. I'm actually sort of pro-life, in that I think abortion is immoral, but I'm not sure how you regulate it in a society where most people disagree with me.

That said, I don't know how you get to be an adult with realizing that a lot of parents provide terrible support. My best friend in high school was a girl who had an abortion around that age (technically 18, but not by much), and her mom would have been totally unable to provide support in that instant. I did a better job providing support, and I was an 18 year old friend and nothing else. I don't know what the circumstances of this girl were (and I understand why the school system would want a blanket policy here), but I know for a fact there are situations where a counselor would be right to look at a student's home life and think "I can support this kid better than her parents."

"No one loves a child like her own parents and family do" is just bullshit in the actual world.

Once you have a child of your own you’ll be able to understand that such is the love of a mother that she would give her own life for her child, if needed be. I can’t say the same about an outsider, that would include a counselor.

I have a child of my own. I love her like you're describing. I also live in the real world, where I've met lots of parents who hate their kids, or love them and hurt them anyway. Life isn't a Hallmark card.

I’m sorry but I just don’t believe you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let parents do the parenting. Why is that so hard for fcps? Do they think we all abuse our children or something? If you suspect abuse, report to social services. Otherwise, do your job and stick the classroom.

I love my daughters. Yes I would be upset if one of them came home pregnant but we would work through it as a family and would ensure she has the support she needs for whatever decision she makes. Of course any 17 year old is scared to tell her parents something she knows will disappoint them. However, a 17 year old is a CHILD. And she needs her parents in this situation whether she realizes it or not. Was the teacher there to check on this girl at 2am the night after the abortion to make sure she was still ok? I bet her mom would have been.

Fcps is all about tearing the family apart and keeping secrets. It’s disgusting.

If your 17 year old gets pregnant and you do not get her an abortion, you are a horribly immoral person.

To me this is not a pro life/pro choice debate. The problem here is the school overstepping and leaving parents out of the equation. No one loves a child like her own parents and family do. Why do you assume a teacher could provide better support than her own family?

NP. I'm actually sort of pro-life, in that I think abortion is immoral, but I'm not sure how you regulate it in a society where most people disagree with me.

That said, I don't know how you get to be an adult with realizing that a lot of parents provide terrible support. My best friend in high school was a girl who had an abortion around that age (technically 18, but not by much), and her mom would have been totally unable to provide support in that instant. I did a better job providing support, and I was an 18 year old friend and nothing else. I don't know what the circumstances of this girl were (and I understand why the school system would want a blanket policy here), but I know for a fact there are situations where a counselor would be right to look at a student's home life and think "I can support this kid better than her parents."

"No one loves a child like her own parents and family do" is just bullshit in the actual world.

Once you have a child of your own you’ll be able to understand that such is the love of a mother that she would give her own life for her child, if needed be. I can’t say the same about an outsider, that would include a counselor.

I have a child of my own. I love her like you're describing. I also live in the real world, where I've met lots of parents who hate their kids, or love them and hurt them anyway. Life isn't a Hallmark card.

Yep, I'm a parent, I love my kid to pieces.

I also worked for a judge on a family law calendar. I have seen what kids go through every single day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) tells 7News Reporter Nick Minock that they are launching an investigation into claims that school staff arranged abortions for students and didn’t tell their parents."

There needs to be more done than the school system investigating itself. This is wild.


https://wjla.com/news/local/student-abortions-fairfax-county-public-schools-investigation-staff-arranged-reproductive-health-fcps-centerville-high-school-minors-taxfunded-virginia-employee-parents-sex-education-regulation-2504

Considering the reporter is Nick Minock, I would be highly dubious of the accuracy of this report. He never gets anything right. Worst reporter ever.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let parents do the parenting. Why is that so hard for fcps? Do they think we all abuse our children or something? If you suspect abuse, report to social services. Otherwise, do your job and stick the classroom.

I love my daughters. Yes I would be upset if one of them came home pregnant but we would work through it as a family and would ensure she has the support she needs for whatever decision she makes. Of course any 17 year old is scared to tell her parents something she knows will disappoint them. However, a 17 year old is a CHILD. And she needs her parents in this situation whether she realizes it or not. Was the teacher there to check on this girl at 2am the night after the abortion to make sure she was still ok? I bet her mom would have been.

Fcps is all about tearing the family apart and keeping secrets. It’s disgusting.

If your 17 year old gets pregnant and you do not get her an abortion, you are a horribly immoral person.

To me this is not a pro life/pro choice debate. The problem here is the school overstepping and leaving parents out of the equation. No one loves a child like her own parents and family do. Why do you assume a teacher could provide better support than her own family?

NP. I'm actually sort of pro-life, in that I think abortion is immoral, but I'm not sure how you regulate it in a society where most people disagree with me.

That said, I don't know how you get to be an adult with realizing that a lot of parents provide terrible support. My best friend in high school was a girl who had an abortion around that age (technically 18, but not by much), and her mom would have been totally unable to provide support in that instant. I did a better job providing support, and I was an 18 year old friend and nothing else. I don't know what the circumstances of this girl were (and I understand why the school system would want a blanket policy here), but I know for a fact there are situations where a counselor would be right to look at a student's home life and think "I can support this kid better than her parents."

"No one loves a child like her own parents and family do" is just bullshit in the actual world.

Once you have a child of your own you’ll be able to understand that such is the love of a mother that she would give her own life for her child, if needed be. I can’t say the same about an outsider, that would include a counselor.

I have a child of my own. I love her like you're describing. I also live in the real world, where I've met lots of parents who hate their kids, or love them and hurt them anyway. Life isn't a Hallmark card.

So, you’d be good with me taking your daughter for an abortion and not telling you about it then? Telling her that it has to be “our little secret”?

[Anonymous]

One of the students was 5 months pregnant?! What the hell??

That’s actually a much more involved surgery. It’s a D&E. I’ve unfortunately had to have one myself. There are certain doctors that can do a D&C but not a D&E. The student would have had to go under general anesthesia for it. What was the teacher thinking?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It does not sound like a case of abuse to me.

“According to the report, two female students, both minors at the time, allege that school officials, including social worker Carolina Diaz, arranged abortions at Fairfax Healthcare Center without parental consent. One student, a 17-year-old 11th-grade student, claims Diaz scheduled her appointment, paid the clinic's fees, and instructed her to keep the procedure secret. The abortion allegedly took place in November 2021.

A second student, five months pregnant, says Diaz told her that she "had no choice" but to proceed with an abortion. That student fled the clinic, unwilling to go through with the procedure, and later confided in her teacher, Zenaida Perz, who provided Curt with an audio recording of the family confirming that the school never informed them of the intent to terminate their daughter's pregnancy.

Under Virginia state law, a physician is required to certify in writing that at least one parent has been notified before performing an abortion on a minor, unless a judicial bypass is obtained. “

Where is this clinic? I’ve tried searching for it but haven’t seen a clinic with that exact name . My family has Tricare (military insurance) and I know of “Fairfax Health Center” that is a facility exclusively for military/dependents.

Wouldn’t the clinic need to confirm that the parent was notified, or see the court order?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Let parents do the parenting. Why is that so hard for fcps? Do they think we all abuse our children or something? If you suspect abuse, report to social services. Otherwise, do your job and stick the classroom.

I love my daughters. Yes I would be upset if one of them came home pregnant but we would work through it as a family and would ensure she has the support she needs for whatever decision she makes. Of course any 17 year old is scared to tell her parents something she knows will disappoint them. However, a 17 year old is a CHILD. And she needs her parents in this situation whether she realizes it or not. Was the teacher there to check on this girl at 2am the night after the abortion to make sure she was still ok? I bet her mom would have been.

Fcps is all about tearing the family apart and keeping secrets. It’s disgusting.

If your 17 year old gets pregnant and you do not get her an abortion, you are a horribly immoral person.

To me this is not a pro life/pro choice debate. The problem here is the school overstepping and leaving parents out of the equation. No one loves a child like her own parents and family do. Why do you assume a teacher could provide better support than her own family?

NP. I'm actually sort of pro-life, in that I think abortion is immoral, but I'm not sure how you regulate it in a society where most people disagree with me.

That said, I don't know how you get to be an adult with realizing that a lot of parents provide terrible support. My best friend in high school was a girl who had an abortion around that age (technically 18, but not by much), and her mom would have been totally unable to provide support in that instant. I did a better job providing support, and I was an 18 year old friend and nothing else. I don't know what the circumstances of this girl were (and I understand why the school system would want a blanket policy here), but I know for a fact there are situations where a counselor would be right to look at a student's home life and think "I can support this kid better than her parents."

"No one loves a child like her own parents and family do" is just bullshit in the actual world.

Once you have a child of your own you’ll be able to understand that such is the love of a mother that she would give her own life for her child, if needed be. I can’t say the same about an outsider, that would include a counselor.

I have a child of my own. I love her like you're describing. I also live in the real world, where I've met lots of parents who hate their kids, or love them and hurt them anyway. Life isn't a Hallmark card.

So, you’d be good with me taking your daughter for an abortion and not telling you about it then? Telling her that it has to be “our little secret”?

If my essentially adult child decided that's what she wanted, then yes. It's her life, to live by her lights, not mine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let parents do the parenting. Why is that so hard for fcps? Do they think we all abuse our children or something? If you suspect abuse, report to social services. Otherwise, do your job and stick the classroom.

I love my daughters. Yes I would be upset if one of them came home pregnant but we would work through it as a family and would ensure she has the support she needs for whatever decision she makes. Of course any 17 year old is scared to tell her parents something she knows will disappoint them. However, a 17 year old is a CHILD. And she needs her parents in this situation whether she realizes it or not. Was the teacher there to check on this girl at 2am the night after the abortion to make sure she was still ok? I bet her mom would have been.

Fcps is all about tearing the family apart and keeping secrets. It’s disgusting.

If your 17 year old gets pregnant and you do not get her an abortion, you are a horribly immoral person.

To me this is not a pro life/pro choice debate. The problem here is the school overstepping and leaving parents out of the equation. No one loves a child like her own parents and family do. Why do you assume a teacher could provide better support than her own family?

NP. I'm actually sort of pro-life, in that I think abortion is immoral, but I'm not sure how you regulate it in a society where most people disagree with me.

That said, I don't know how you get to be an adult with realizing that a lot of parents provide terrible support. My best friend in high school was a girl who had an abortion around that age (technically 18, but not by much), and her mom would have been totally unable to provide support in that instant. I did a better job providing support, and I was an 18 year old friend and nothing else. I don't know what the circumstances of this girl were (and I understand why the school system would want a blanket policy here), but I know for a fact there are situations where a counselor would be right to look at a student's home life and think "I can support this kid better than her parents."

"No one loves a child like her own parents and family do" is just bullshit in the actual world.

Once you have a child of your own you’ll be able to understand that such is the love of a mother that she would give her own life for her child, if needed be. I can’t say the same about an outsider, that would include a counselor.

I have a child of my own. I love her like you're describing. I also live in the real world, where I've met lots of parents who hate their kids, or love them and hurt them anyway. Life isn't a Hallmark card.

So, you’d be good with me taking your daughter for an abortion and not telling you about it then? Telling her that it has to be “our little secret”?

If my essentially adult child decided that's what she wanted, then yes. It's her life, to live by her lights, not mine.

You don’t think you’d want to know so you could check on her afterwards and make sure she is ok physically and emotionally?

These things take years to heal from. Ask me how I know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It does not sound like a case of abuse to me.

“According to the report, two female students, both minors at the time, allege that school officials, including social worker Carolina Diaz, arranged abortions at Fairfax Healthcare Center without parental consent. One student, a 17-year-old 11th-grade student, claims Diaz scheduled her appointment, paid the clinic's fees, and instructed her to keep the procedure secret. The abortion allegedly took place in November 2021.

A second student, five months pregnant, says Diaz told her that she "had no choice" but to proceed with an abortion. That student fled the clinic, unwilling to go through with the procedure, and later confided in her teacher, Zenaida Perz, who provided Curt with an audio recording of the family confirming that the school never informed them of the intent to terminate their daughter's pregnancy.

Under Virginia state law, a physician is required to certify in writing that at least one parent has been notified before performing an abortion on a minor, unless a judicial bypass is obtained. “

Where is this clinic? I’ve tried searching for it but haven’t seen a clinic with that exact name . My family has Tricare (military insurance) and I know of “Fairfax Health Center” that is a facility exclusively for military/dependents.

Wouldn’t the clinic need to confirm that the parent was notified, or see the court order?

The report said Falls Church. I'm not sure if that was the name of the clinic, but it sounds like this might be it. It gives details about minors:
https://fallschurchhealthcare.com/minors/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) tells 7News Reporter Nick Minock that they are launching an investigation into claims that school staff arranged abortions for students and didn’t tell their parents."

There needs to be more done than the school system investigating itself. This is wild.


https://wjla.com/news/local/student-abortions-fairfax-county-public-schools-investigation-staff-arranged-reproductive-health-fcps-centerville-high-school-minors-taxfunded-virginia-employee-parents-sex-education-regulation-2504

Why should the school counselor tell the parents? It’s none of the parents’ business.

Because it increases their chances of Asherman's syndrome

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let parents do the parenting. Why is that so hard for fcps? Do they think we all abuse our children or something? If you suspect abuse, report to social services. Otherwise, do your job and stick the classroom.

I love my daughters. Yes I would be upset if one of them came home pregnant but we would work through it as a family and would ensure she has the support she needs for whatever decision she makes. Of course any 17 year old is scared to tell her parents something she knows will disappoint them. However, a 17 year old is a CHILD. And she needs her parents in this situation whether she realizes it or not. Was the teacher there to check on this girl at 2am the night after the abortion to make sure she was still ok? I bet her mom would have been.

Fcps is all about tearing the family apart and keeping secrets. It’s disgusting.

If your 17 year old gets pregnant and you do not get her an abortion, you are a horribly immoral person.

To me this is not a pro life/pro choice debate. The problem here is the school overstepping and leaving parents out of the equation. No one loves a child like her own parents and family do. Why do you assume a teacher could provide better support than her own family?

NP. I'm actually sort of pro-life, in that I think abortion is immoral, but I'm not sure how you regulate it in a society where most people disagree with me.

That said, I don't know how you get to be an adult with realizing that a lot of parents provide terrible support. My best friend in high school was a girl who had an abortion around that age (technically 18, but not by much), and her mom would have been totally unable to provide support in that instant. I did a better job providing support, and I was an 18 year old friend and nothing else. I don't know what the circumstances of this girl were (and I understand why the school system would want a blanket policy here), but I know for a fact there are situations where a counselor would be right to look at a student's home life and think "I can support this kid better than her parents."

"No one loves a child like her own parents and family do" is just bullshit in the actual world.

Once you have a child of your own you’ll be able to understand that such is the love of a mother that she would give her own life for her child, if needed be. I can’t say the same about an outsider, that would include a counselor.

I have a child of my own. I love her like you're describing. I also live in the real world, where I've met lots of parents who hate their kids, or love them and hurt them anyway. Life isn't a Hallmark card.

So, you’d be good with me taking your daughter for an abortion and not telling you about it then? Telling her that it has to be “our little secret”?

If my essentially adult child decided that's what she wanted, then yes. It's her life, to live by her lights, not mine.

DP. Calling BS on this ^^. Even if you're pro-choice, there is no way in hell you'd be ok with someone else (teacher, counselor, coach, whatever) taking your daughter for an abortion and keeping it secret from you. Stop being obtuse.