Is MoCo taking advantage of Rockville's pool

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

That's not how I see it. Many(most) were forced to take a break during COVID - but you are the one who lost focus here and took a too extended of a break that your daughter had to basically re-learn how too swim once you re-engaged again. That completely on you - your fault and failure of imagination as to the possibilities of what was actually available were you so inclined.

The times that 7 and 8 year olds are posting do not support your supposition that "this year's 8yo class is weak" - their just isn't any difference between the current times and times from other years.

+1. Where’s his data to support this year’s 8 year olds times are weak? OP should know that the top 8U girl from the Rays is breaking numerous MCSL records this year. Yes, she is in RMSC and so were the other top Ray swimmers in that group.

Yes the data supports it. You can get the time trials for the 8u Rays. 2023 and 2024. To make Division A A-Meets in 2023 you had to have a 20second 25meter freestyls. In 2024 it dropped to 22 seconds.

So, there it is Covid Cheaters had the pools to themselves and are breaking records, everyone else was struggling to get back in the water.

No, the data do not support it -- you've conveniently plucked a small sub-set of data(kids and times) froom a limited time period(2023 and 2024) and that simply does not present any sort of minimal statistical rigor.

Your supposition is blind and not supported by facts.

Some RMSC kids don't do summer team, especially as they get older as they work, are coaching, summer school, speciality camps and more. Younger kids may not either. Older kids in RMSC swim through July.

Look, you aren't entitled to a spot. There were probably 1-2 spots for 8 year olds, if that. Your kid may have not done the strokes correctly, or something else. Or, they knew you from the Rays and didn't want to deal with you.

Who do you think is entitled? Just curious. Sounds like a fiefdom to me. Maybe the city shouldn't be in the swim team business, most cities have quit doing that many years ago.

Nobody is entitled - that's not how it works - that seems to be the disconnect and re-occurring theme with you - you feel entitled to a slot and since you didn't get one, your response is to defund the whole operation. Good luck with that, pal.

I did get the associate coach fired or at least demoted to lifeguard; it was kind of funny sitting there watch us do laps. You know. Picking on little kids isn't something you can get away with. However, the tight knit swim culture is so spineless they have to look up to see pond scum, when it comes to standing up for their rights. I think it is worth trying to go after someone a little higher up don't you think, someone with a little more responsibility. Maybe one of the head coaches that oopsie daisy wasn't at the pool during the bullying incident.

So, in this instance, it appears the only way to go after these folks is to lobby to defund the whole thing. Or is there some other mechanism to see to removing the coaches (not just the token scape goat associate)

I mean if this is all the swimming community can do for retribution, they don't deserve a pool. Maybe the whole KSAC thing is karma.

You’ve yet to provide any real examples of how your child was bullied or picked on (not making the team doesn’t count). Your comments are starting to border on slanderous. I wish your daughter success in swimming or whatever endeavor about which she’s passionate.

For the love of god!! Can someone please share the bullying that was done? This poster sound giddy about getting someone demoted/fired, which likely isn’t true. Either this poster is evil or a troll.

I don’t think there is bullying. The family is basically blacklisted.

The diving block thing, which was LAST year, was not specifically targeted to just OP’s kid. It wasn’t as if everyone else in 8U dived from deck and OP’s kid was singled out. Since then, OP has a chip (or two) on his shoulder and RMSC is basically on his sh@t list.

Many kids did dive from the deck instead or didn't dive at all, yet still made the team. At least from what I saw in the observation window. Also, many of the kids don't even do block dives at the mini competitions from what I hear, it's even in the promotional pamphlet. If you can't block dive you can dive from the edge. That particular coach was way off base. The integrity of the tryouts reflects poorly on the quality of the individuals in the cult. You know some kids made it and others didn't because of this practice. I requested the numbers, but they refused and also didn't notify the other parents of the safety lapse.

RMSC needs a special pool in the woods where the cult can sacrifice goats with no one watching.

How do you know which kids from the tryout actually made the team? And what makes you think it was the block dive that made them not take your kid?

None of the other RMSC sites used diving. However, RSFC seemed to feel strongly they needed diving. Maybe they were having them dive just for giggles. My personal opinion is they were bullying her, trying to make her uncomfortable, then denigrating her when she made a mistake later in the tryout "ah we saw splash in the breaststroke" after she did a horrible belly flop off a block. Why did they do that one last lap of breaststroke after the dives? She had already done several laps of breaststroke that looked fine before the dive. Then they had her dive off the blocks then more breaststroke. Doesn't make any sense to me.

Again, all the other coaches staff broke their necks looking the other way.

That's what it looked like to me.

Of course that’s what it looked like to you because you are crazy. What you have described is not bullying, especially because you are saying your daughter was not the only one at the Rockville site doing dives at the tryout. I also highly doubt they “denigrated” her so that she would be uncomfortable. I’m sure the feedback you are referencing was given in response to what I am also sure was an unhinged email from you demanding to know why she did not make the team. You can accuse club swim of a lot of things, but I have never seen or heard of bullying 7 year olds that are trying out. For the sake of your daughter, you really need to get a grip and take a huge step back from her extra-curricular pursuits.

I didn't wait. I filed the complaint to safe sport as soon as I saw that or at least within a day or two it just didn't seem right to me, especially considering none of the other sites had anything remotely like that. Only later did find out wow that is really dangerous and they weren't following the protocol. IMO the safe sport process of USA Swimming is very poor because they immediately put me in contact with RSFC rather than remediating it anonymously.

Let's just suffice it to say, that there isn't really anything that will convince or make RMSC parents and swimmers happy about that, and the way they are being viewed because the way their leadership is behaving. Keep in mind though, RMSC parents pay those coaches private lessons to get into those teams. This is what they pay for, this is what they want. They want to say, look but our daughters can do racing dives and yours can't. This may be the case, but the way they go about proving it doesn't garner any respect. Now about defunding.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

That's not how I see it. Many(most) were forced to take a break during COVID - but you are the one who lost focus here and took a too extended of a break that your daughter had to basically re-learn how too swim once you re-engaged again. That completely on you - your fault and failure of imagination as to the possibilities of what was actually available were you so inclined.

The times that 7 and 8 year olds are posting do not support your supposition that "this year's 8yo class is weak" - their just isn't any difference between the current times and times from other years.

+1. Where’s his data to support this year’s 8 year olds times are weak? OP should know that the top 8U girl from the Rays is breaking numerous MCSL records this year. Yes, she is in RMSC and so were the other top Ray swimmers in that group.

Yes the data supports it. You can get the time trials for the 8u Rays. 2023 and 2024. To make Division A A-Meets in 2023 you had to have a 20second 25meter freestyls. In 2024 it dropped to 22 seconds.

So, there it is Covid Cheaters had the pools to themselves and are breaking records, everyone else was struggling to get back in the water.

No, the data do not support it -- you've conveniently plucked a small sub-set of data(kids and times) froom a limited time period(2023 and 2024) and that simply does not present any sort of minimal statistical rigor.

Your supposition is blind and not supported by facts.

Some RMSC kids don't do summer team, especially as they get older as they work, are coaching, summer school, speciality camps and more. Younger kids may not either. Older kids in RMSC swim through July.

Look, you aren't entitled to a spot. There were probably 1-2 spots for 8 year olds, if that. Your kid may have not done the strokes correctly, or something else. Or, they knew you from the Rays and didn't want to deal with you.

Who do you think is entitled? Just curious. Sounds like a fiefdom to me. Maybe the city shouldn't be in the swim team business, most cities have quit doing that many years ago.

Nobody is entitled - that's not how it works - that seems to be the disconnect and re-occurring theme with you - you feel entitled to a slot and since you didn't get one, your response is to defund the whole operation. Good luck with that, pal.

I did get the associate coach fired or at least demoted to lifeguard; it was kind of funny sitting there watch us do laps. You know. Picking on little kids isn't something you can get away with. However, the tight knit swim culture is so spineless they have to look up to see pond scum, when it comes to standing up for their rights. I think it is worth trying to go after someone a little higher up don't you think, someone with a little more responsibility. Maybe one of the head coaches that oopsie daisy wasn't at the pool during the bullying incident.

So, in this instance, it appears the only way to go after these folks is to lobby to defund the whole thing. Or is there some other mechanism to see to removing the coaches (not just the token scape goat associate)

I mean if this is all the swimming community can do for retribution, they don't deserve a pool. Maybe the whole KSAC thing is karma.

You’ve yet to provide any real examples of how your child was bullied or picked on (not making the team doesn’t count). Your comments are starting to border on slanderous. I wish your daughter success in swimming or whatever endeavor about which she’s passionate.

For the love of god!! Can someone please share the bullying that was done? This poster sound giddy about getting someone demoted/fired, which likely isn’t true. Either this poster is evil or a troll.

I don’t think there is bullying. The family is basically blacklisted.

The diving block thing, which was LAST year, was not specifically targeted to just OP’s kid. It wasn’t as if everyone else in 8U dived from deck and OP’s kid was singled out. Since then, OP has a chip (or two) on his shoulder and RMSC is basically on his sh@t list.

Many kids did dive from the deck instead or didn't dive at all, yet still made the team. At least from what I saw in the observation window. Also, many of the kids don't even do block dives at the mini competitions from what I hear, it's even in the promotional pamphlet. If you can't block dive you can dive from the edge. That particular coach was way off base. The integrity of the tryouts reflects poorly on the quality of the individuals in the cult. You know some kids made it and others didn't because of this practice. I requested the numbers, but they refused and also didn't notify the other parents of the safety lapse.

RMSC needs a special pool in the woods where the cult can sacrifice goats with no one watching.

How do you know which kids from the tryout actually made the team? And what makes you think it was the block dive that made them not take your kid?

None of the other RMSC sites used diving. However, RSFC seemed to feel strongly they needed diving. Maybe they were having them dive just for giggles. My personal opinion is they were bullying her, trying to make her uncomfortable, then denigrating her when she made a mistake later in the tryout "ah we saw splash in the breaststroke" after she did a horrible belly flop off a block. Why did they do that one last lap of breaststroke after the dives? She had already done several laps of breaststroke that looked fine before the dive. Then they had her dive off the blocks then more breaststroke. Doesn't make any sense to me.

Again, all the other coaches staff broke their necks looking the other way.

That's what it looked like to me.

Of course that’s what it looked like to you because you are crazy. What you have described is not bullying, especially because you are saying your daughter was not the only one at the Rockville site doing dives at the tryout. I also highly doubt they “denigrated” her so that she would be uncomfortable. I’m sure the feedback you are referencing was given in response to what I am also sure was an unhinged email from you demanding to know why she did not make the team. You can accuse club swim of a lot of things, but I have never seen or heard of bullying 7 year olds that are trying out. For the sake of your daughter, you really need to get a grip and take a huge step back from her extra-curricular pursuits.

I didn't wait. I filed the complaint to safe sport as soon as I saw that or at least within a day or two it just didn't seem right to me, especially considering none of the other sites had anything remotely like that. Only later did find out wow that is really dangerous and they weren't following the protocol. IMO the safe sport process of USA Swimming is very poor because they immediately put me in contact with RSFC rather than remediating it anonymously.

Let's just suffice it to say, that there isn't really anything that will convince or make RMSC parents and swimmers happy about that, and the way they are being viewed because the way their leadership is behaving. Keep in mind though, RMSC parents pay those coaches private lessons to get into those teams. This is what they pay for, this is what they want. They want to say, look but our daughters can do racing dives and yours can't. This may be the case, but the way they go about proving it doesn't garner any respect. Now about defunding.

Do you try to defund every program to which your child isn’t admitted? Im sorry, but it just seems like you’re looking for a reason why she didn’t make the team vs. acknowledging that perhaps she’s not as strong as others that tried out. Not every rejection or disappointment means you’ve been wronged in some way. Sometimes there are very valid reasons why people don’t get what they want and it’s a good lesson in accountability (you seem to have none of that).
I have 3 club swimmers (diff club) and I’ve never heard of or seen that start protocol. It doesn’t mean it’s not real or the most safe, but I’m confident that failure to follow it was in no way unique to this try out or a means of targeting your daughter.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

That's not how I see it. Many(most) were forced to take a break during COVID - but you are the one who lost focus here and took a too extended of a break that your daughter had to basically re-learn how too swim once you re-engaged again. That completely on you - your fault and failure of imagination as to the possibilities of what was actually available were you so inclined.

The times that 7 and 8 year olds are posting do not support your supposition that "this year's 8yo class is weak" - their just isn't any difference between the current times and times from other years.

+1. Where’s his data to support this year’s 8 year olds times are weak? OP should know that the top 8U girl from the Rays is breaking numerous MCSL records this year. Yes, she is in RMSC and so were the other top Ray swimmers in that group.

Yes the data supports it. You can get the time trials for the 8u Rays. 2023 and 2024. To make Division A A-Meets in 2023 you had to have a 20second 25meter freestyls. In 2024 it dropped to 22 seconds.

So, there it is Covid Cheaters had the pools to themselves and are breaking records, everyone else was struggling to get back in the water.

No, the data do not support it -- you've conveniently plucked a small sub-set of data(kids and times) froom a limited time period(2023 and 2024) and that simply does not present any sort of minimal statistical rigor.

Your supposition is blind and not supported by facts.

Some RMSC kids don't do summer team, especially as they get older as they work, are coaching, summer school, speciality camps and more. Younger kids may not either. Older kids in RMSC swim through July.

Look, you aren't entitled to a spot. There were probably 1-2 spots for 8 year olds, if that. Your kid may have not done the strokes correctly, or something else. Or, they knew you from the Rays and didn't want to deal with you.

Who do you think is entitled? Just curious. Sounds like a fiefdom to me. Maybe the city shouldn't be in the swim team business, most cities have quit doing that many years ago.

Nobody is entitled - that's not how it works - that seems to be the disconnect and re-occurring theme with you - you feel entitled to a slot and since you didn't get one, your response is to defund the whole operation. Good luck with that, pal.

I did get the associate coach fired or at least demoted to lifeguard; it was kind of funny sitting there watch us do laps. You know. Picking on little kids isn't something you can get away with. However, the tight knit swim culture is so spineless they have to look up to see pond scum, when it comes to standing up for their rights. I think it is worth trying to go after someone a little higher up don't you think, someone with a little more responsibility. Maybe one of the head coaches that oopsie daisy wasn't at the pool during the bullying incident.

So, in this instance, it appears the only way to go after these folks is to lobby to defund the whole thing. Or is there some other mechanism to see to removing the coaches (not just the token scape goat associate)

I mean if this is all the swimming community can do for retribution, they don't deserve a pool. Maybe the whole KSAC thing is karma.

You’ve yet to provide any real examples of how your child was bullied or picked on (not making the team doesn’t count). Your comments are starting to border on slanderous. I wish your daughter success in swimming or whatever endeavor about which she’s passionate.

For the love of god!! Can someone please share the bullying that was done? This poster sound giddy about getting someone demoted/fired, which likely isn’t true. Either this poster is evil or a troll.

I don’t think there is bullying. The family is basically blacklisted.

The diving block thing, which was LAST year, was not specifically targeted to just OP’s kid. It wasn’t as if everyone else in 8U dived from deck and OP’s kid was singled out. Since then, OP has a chip (or two) on his shoulder and RMSC is basically on his sh@t list.

Many kids did dive from the deck instead or didn't dive at all, yet still made the team. At least from what I saw in the observation window. Also, many of the kids don't even do block dives at the mini competitions from what I hear, it's even in the promotional pamphlet. If you can't block dive you can dive from the edge. That particular coach was way off base. The integrity of the tryouts reflects poorly on the quality of the individuals in the cult. You know some kids made it and others didn't because of this practice. I requested the numbers, but they refused and also didn't notify the other parents of the safety lapse.

RMSC needs a special pool in the woods where the cult can sacrifice goats with no one watching.

How do you know which kids from the tryout actually made the team? And what makes you think it was the block dive that made them not take your kid?

None of the other RMSC sites used diving. However, RSFC seemed to feel strongly they needed diving. Maybe they were having them dive just for giggles. My personal opinion is they were bullying her, trying to make her uncomfortable, then denigrating her when she made a mistake later in the tryout "ah we saw splash in the breaststroke" after she did a horrible belly flop off a block. Why did they do that one last lap of breaststroke after the dives? She had already done several laps of breaststroke that looked fine before the dive. Then they had her dive off the blocks then more breaststroke. Doesn't make any sense to me.

Again, all the other coaches staff broke their necks looking the other way.

That's what it looked like to me.

Of course that’s what it looked like to you because you are crazy. What you have described is not bullying, especially because you are saying your daughter was not the only one at the Rockville site doing dives at the tryout. I also highly doubt they “denigrated” her so that she would be uncomfortable. I’m sure the feedback you are referencing was given in response to what I am also sure was an unhinged email from you demanding to know why she did not make the team. You can accuse club swim of a lot of things, but I have never seen or heard of bullying 7 year olds that are trying out. For the sake of your daughter, you really need to get a grip and take a huge step back from her extra-curricular pursuits.

I didn't wait. I filed the complaint to safe sport as soon as I saw that or at least within a day or two it just didn't seem right to me, especially considering none of the other sites had anything remotely like that. Only later did find out wow that is really dangerous and they weren't following the protocol. IMO the safe sport process of USA Swimming is very poor because they immediately put me in contact with RSFC rather than remediating it anonymously.

Let's just suffice it to say, that there isn't really anything that will convince or make RMSC parents and swimmers happy about that, and the way they are being viewed because the way their leadership is behaving. Keep in mind though, RMSC parents pay those coaches private lessons to get into those teams. This is what they pay for, this is what they want. They want to say, look but our daughters can do racing dives and yours can't. This may be the case, but the way they go about proving it doesn't garner any respect. Now about defunding.

So your daughter tried out at multiple sites, and the others didn’t do diving from the blocks, and she did not get in at any site? You know this means the dive from the blocks isn’t why she didn’t get in, right? Listen, I understand the frustration with people already plugged in with the club and doing private lessons with the coaches to get a leg up at tryouts, but unfortunately it’s the nature of the beast in this area. The private clubs are actually easier to get into in that regard, my kid started in club swim at age 9 with one of the big programs and we knew no one at the club, she just went to the tryout and did her best. Maybe you should expand your club search beyond RMSC because the reality is that bridge has been burned and they will never take your kid given what you’ve described.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

That's not how I see it. Many(most) were forced to take a break during COVID - but you are the one who lost focus here and took a too extended of a break that your daughter had to basically re-learn how too swim once you re-engaged again. That completely on you - your fault and failure of imagination as to the possibilities of what was actually available were you so inclined.

The times that 7 and 8 year olds are posting do not support your supposition that "this year's 8yo class is weak" - their just isn't any difference between the current times and times from other years.

+1. Where’s his data to support this year’s 8 year olds times are weak? OP should know that the top 8U girl from the Rays is breaking numerous MCSL records this year. Yes, she is in RMSC and so were the other top Ray swimmers in that group.

Yes the data supports it. You can get the time trials for the 8u Rays. 2023 and 2024. To make Division A A-Meets in 2023 you had to have a 20second 25meter freestyls. In 2024 it dropped to 22 seconds.

So, there it is Covid Cheaters had the pools to themselves and are breaking records, everyone else was struggling to get back in the water.

No, the data do not support it -- you've conveniently plucked a small sub-set of data(kids and times) froom a limited time period(2023 and 2024) and that simply does not present any sort of minimal statistical rigor.

Your supposition is blind and not supported by facts.

Some RMSC kids don't do summer team, especially as they get older as they work, are coaching, summer school, speciality camps and more. Younger kids may not either. Older kids in RMSC swim through July.

Look, you aren't entitled to a spot. There were probably 1-2 spots for 8 year olds, if that. Your kid may have not done the strokes correctly, or something else. Or, they knew you from the Rays and didn't want to deal with you.

Who do you think is entitled? Just curious. Sounds like a fiefdom to me. Maybe the city shouldn't be in the swim team business, most cities have quit doing that many years ago.

Nobody is entitled - that's not how it works - that seems to be the disconnect and re-occurring theme with you - you feel entitled to a slot and since you didn't get one, your response is to defund the whole operation. Good luck with that, pal.

I did get the associate coach fired or at least demoted to lifeguard; it was kind of funny sitting there watch us do laps. You know. Picking on little kids isn't something you can get away with. However, the tight knit swim culture is so spineless they have to look up to see pond scum, when it comes to standing up for their rights. I think it is worth trying to go after someone a little higher up don't you think, someone with a little more responsibility. Maybe one of the head coaches that oopsie daisy wasn't at the pool during the bullying incident.

So, in this instance, it appears the only way to go after these folks is to lobby to defund the whole thing. Or is there some other mechanism to see to removing the coaches (not just the token scape goat associate)

I mean if this is all the swimming community can do for retribution, they don't deserve a pool. Maybe the whole KSAC thing is karma.

You’ve yet to provide any real examples of how your child was bullied or picked on (not making the team doesn’t count). Your comments are starting to border on slanderous. I wish your daughter success in swimming or whatever endeavor about which she’s passionate.

For the love of god!! Can someone please share the bullying that was done? This poster sound giddy about getting someone demoted/fired, which likely isn’t true. Either this poster is evil or a troll.

I don’t think there is bullying. The family is basically blacklisted.

The diving block thing, which was LAST year, was not specifically targeted to just OP’s kid. It wasn’t as if everyone else in 8U dived from deck and OP’s kid was singled out. Since then, OP has a chip (or two) on his shoulder and RMSC is basically on his sh@t list.

Many kids did dive from the deck instead or didn't dive at all, yet still made the team. At least from what I saw in the observation window. Also, many of the kids don't even do block dives at the mini competitions from what I hear, it's even in the promotional pamphlet. If you can't block dive you can dive from the edge. That particular coach was way off base. The integrity of the tryouts reflects poorly on the quality of the individuals in the cult. You know some kids made it and others didn't because of this practice. I requested the numbers, but they refused and also didn't notify the other parents of the safety lapse.

RMSC needs a special pool in the woods where the cult can sacrifice goats with no one watching.

How do you know which kids from the tryout actually made the team? And what makes you think it was the block dive that made them not take your kid?

None of the other RMSC sites used diving. However, RSFC seemed to feel strongly they needed diving. Maybe they were having them dive just for giggles. My personal opinion is they were bullying her, trying to make her uncomfortable, then denigrating her when she made a mistake later in the tryout "ah we saw splash in the breaststroke" after she did a horrible belly flop off a block. Why did they do that one last lap of breaststroke after the dives? She had already done several laps of breaststroke that looked fine before the dive. Then they had her dive off the blocks then more breaststroke. Doesn't make any sense to me.

Again, all the other coaches staff broke their necks looking the other way.

That's what it looked like to me.

Of course that’s what it looked like to you because you are crazy. What you have described is not bullying, especially because you are saying your daughter was not the only one at the Rockville site doing dives at the tryout. I also highly doubt they “denigrated” her so that she would be uncomfortable. I’m sure the feedback you are referencing was given in response to what I am also sure was an unhinged email from you demanding to know why she did not make the team. You can accuse club swim of a lot of things, but I have never seen or heard of bullying 7 year olds that are trying out. For the sake of your daughter, you really need to get a grip and take a huge step back from her extra-curricular pursuits.

I didn't wait. I filed the complaint to safe sport as soon as I saw that or at least within a day or two it just didn't seem right to me, especially considering none of the other sites had anything remotely like that. Only later did find out wow that is really dangerous and they weren't following the protocol. IMO the safe sport process of USA Swimming is very poor because they immediately put me in contact with RSFC rather than remediating it anonymously.

Let's just suffice it to say, that there isn't really anything that will convince or make RMSC parents and swimmers happy about that, and the way they are being viewed because the way their leadership is behaving. Keep in mind though, RMSC parents pay those coaches private lessons to get into those teams. This is what they pay for, this is what they want. They want to say, look but our daughters can do racing dives and yours can't. This may be the case, but the way they go about proving it doesn't garner any respect. Now about defunding.

Do you try to defund every program to which your child isn’t admitted? Im sorry, but it just seems like you’re looking for a reason why she didn’t make the team vs. acknowledging that perhaps she’s not as strong as others that tried out. Not every rejection or disappointment means you’ve been wronged in some way. Sometimes there are very valid reasons why people don’t get what they want and it’s a good lesson in accountability (you seem to have none of that).
I have 3 club swimmers (diff club) and I’ve never heard of or seen that start protocol. It doesn’t mean it’s not real or the most safe, but I’m confident that failure to follow it was in no way unique to this try out or a means of targeting your daughter.

I haven't been back to MSI in months. There was an incident where one of the former coaches' kids were getting away with dirty plays. Grabbing shoulders and pulling, tackling from behind, kicking balls out of goalies hands. The CEO gave me me dues back and have been happily on my way. They really didn't like it when I pointed the behavior out. "Did you teach her that move. Is that what you taught her?"

So yeah, there is some precedent for getting money back in response to poor treatment by clubs. I simply said, look we signed up for a high-quality experience. You have players out there on the field that really don't want to be there, they leave the field and wander off, or sit down on the field and refuse to play, your daughter hasn't even been coming to practice, you can barely fill a roster. You're playing them against much older kids. This is not what you promised. You promised a high-quality experience with trained coaching staff filled with kids that want to be there every day.

Money back thank you very much, "I wish your club luck in the future."

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And you just moved here from HoCo? And you are already booted from RMSC and MSI! Nice work

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Yeah, I shouldn't complain, tall athletic kids have so many options. Basketball, I wouldn't say they are better (I recall issues in high school) coaches but overall, there are more options. Like I wouldn't even consider competitive swimming for my son. Not that it isn't a good fitness activity, just it will cost so much less, and he'll get so much more out of it since it's a money sport for boys I view swimming, basketball, soccer to be equivalent for girls, basically just fun and fitness. It would be cool if Kaitlin Clark could do a Michael Jordan on the WNBA and turn it into a money sport so that girls can have role models also.

Basketball coaches know how to develop tall athletes. One of the comments above about tall athletes not having the skills is kind of funny. I read coaching manuals for fun to learn about sports and kids and what not. It's funny because my book on developing post players has sections on how to handle athletes that don't have the "complete package" of skills, which the book claims is more often the case than not. They talk about what to do if they can't catch the ball, or can't jump don't have endurance etc. Like my basketball coach said, there is spot on the team because you've got the thing we can't teach. I know short parents say kids should have all the skills, but it isn't like tall kids aren't trying they are growing, somethings will just be harder for them to master, diving for example. Swimming and soccer don't seem to have this philosophy, which is strange. I can kind of understand it in soccer, height isn't as much of an advantage, but swimming what do these coaches know about talent anyway? What a red flag. I mean really, are you paying to be in the pool with the kid that isn't ever going anywhere or the next 6'1" Katie Ledecky or 6'4" Michael Phelps.

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Anonymous wrote:And you just moved here from HoCo? And you are already booted from RMSC and MSI! Nice work

Yeah, I shouldn't complain, tall athletic kids have so many options. Basketball, I wouldn't say they are better (I recall issues in high school) coaches but overall, there are more options. Like I wouldn't even consider competitive swimming for my son. Not that it isn't a good fitness activity, just it will cost so much less, and he'll get so much more out of it since it's a money sport for boys I view swimming, basketball, soccer to be equivalent for girls, basically just fun and fitness. It would be cool if Kaitlin Clark could do a Michael Jordan on the WNBA and turn it into a money sport so that girls can have role models also.

Basketball coaches know how to develop tall athletes. One of the comments above about tall athletes not having the skills is kind of funny. I read coaching manuals for fun to learn about sports and kids and what not. It's funny because my book on developing post players has sections on how to handle athletes that don't have the "complete package" of skills, which the book claims is more often the case than not. They talk about what to do if they can't catch the ball, or can't jump don't have endurance etc. Like my basketball coach said, there is spot on the team because you've got the thing we can't teach. I know short parents say kids should have all the skills, but it isn't like tall kids aren't trying they are growing, somethings will just be harder for them to master, diving for example. Swimming and soccer don't seem to have this philosophy, which is strange. I can kind of understand it in soccer, height isn't as much of an advantage, but swimming what do these coaches know about talent anyway? What a red flag. I mean really, are you paying to be in the pool with the kid that isn't ever going anywhere or the next 6'1" Katie Ledecky or 6'4" Michael Phelps.

So now you think they should have taken your kid just based on the fact that she’s tall for her age?

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Anonymous wrote:And you just moved here from HoCo? And you are already booted from RMSC and MSI! Nice work

Yeah, I shouldn't complain, tall athletic kids have so many options. Basketball, I wouldn't say they are better (I recall issues in high school) coaches but overall, there are more options. Like I wouldn't even consider competitive swimming for my son. Not that it isn't a good fitness activity, just it will cost so much less, and he'll get so much more out of it since it's a money sport for boys I view swimming, basketball, soccer to be equivalent for girls, basically just fun and fitness. It would be cool if Kaitlin Clark could do a Michael Jordan on the WNBA and turn it into a money sport so that girls can have role models also.

Basketball coaches know how to develop tall athletes. One of the comments above about tall athletes not having the skills is kind of funny. I read coaching manuals for fun to learn about sports and kids and what not. It's funny because my book on developing post players has sections on how to handle athletes that don't have the "complete package" of skills, which the book claims is more often the case than not. They talk about what to do if they can't catch the ball, or can't jump don't have endurance etc. Like my basketball coach said, there is spot on the team because you've got the thing we can't teach. I know short parents say kids should have all the skills, but it isn't like tall kids aren't trying they are growing, somethings will just be harder for them to master, diving for example. Swimming and soccer don't seem to have this philosophy, which is strange. I can kind of understand it in soccer, height isn't as much of an advantage, but swimming what do these coaches know about talent anyway? What a red flag. I mean really, are you paying to be in the pool with the kid that isn't ever going anywhere or the next 6'1" Katie Ledecky or 6'4" Michael Phelps.

So now you think they should have taken your kid just based on the fact that she’s tall for her age?

I just don't think you understand what competitive swimming is. The point is that other sports know about this problem and how to manage it, in soccer they kind of do the opposite because tall kids have an advantage early on, they tend to protect the smaller players that will eventually be more agile. Gymnastics, I didn't even bother.

I tried to contact RMSC early on and explain the situation. Tall athletic girl who was in lessons, but covid, I have doing pullups and inversions on still rings other activities etc., how do I get her on the team. crickets...

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Anonymous wrote:And you just moved here from HoCo? And you are already booted from RMSC and MSI! Nice work

Yeah, I shouldn't complain, tall athletic kids have so many options. Basketball, I wouldn't say they are better (I recall issues in high school) coaches but overall, there are more options. Like I wouldn't even consider competitive swimming for my son. Not that it isn't a good fitness activity, just it will cost so much less, and he'll get so much more out of it since it's a money sport for boys I view swimming, basketball, soccer to be equivalent for girls, basically just fun and fitness. It would be cool if Kaitlin Clark could do a Michael Jordan on the WNBA and turn it into a money sport so that girls can have role models also.

Basketball coaches know how to develop tall athletes. One of the comments above about tall athletes not having the skills is kind of funny. I read coaching manuals for fun to learn about sports and kids and what not. It's funny because my book on developing post players has sections on how to handle athletes that don't have the "complete package" of skills, which the book claims is more often the case than not. They talk about what to do if they can't catch the ball, or can't jump don't have endurance etc. Like my basketball coach said, there is spot on the team because you've got the thing we can't teach. I know short parents say kids should have all the skills, but it isn't like tall kids aren't trying they are growing, somethings will just be harder for them to master, diving for example. Swimming and soccer don't seem to have this philosophy, which is strange. I can kind of understand it in soccer, height isn't as much of an advantage, but swimming what do these coaches know about talent anyway? What a red flag. I mean really, are you paying to be in the pool with the kid that isn't ever going anywhere or the next 6'1" Katie Ledecky or 6'4" Michael Phelps.

So now you think they should have taken your kid just based on the fact that she’s tall for her age?

I just don't think you understand what competitive swimming is. The point is that other sports know about this problem and how to manage it, in soccer they kind of do the opposite because tall kids have an advantage early on, they tend to protect the smaller players that will eventually be more agile. Gymnastics, I didn't even bother.

I tried to contact RMSC early on and explain the situation. Tall athletic girl who was in lessons, but covid, I have doing pullups and inversions on still rings other activities etc., how do I get her on the team. crickets...

I do understand competitive swimming, my child is a high level competitive swimmer. And I’ll let you in on a secret, generally the athletic kids who have “it” when it comes to swimming will stand out at age 7 if they have had any kind of lessons at all. I can imagine you are well known at RMSC if you actually emailed them with that about a 7 year old and tried to blame Covid for poor performance at a tryout in 2023. You are right that your kid doesn't stand a chance, but that is because the club doesn’t want to deal with you as a parent.

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Anonymous wrote:And you just moved here from HoCo? And you are already booted from RMSC and MSI! Nice work

Yeah, I shouldn't complain, tall athletic kids have so many options. Basketball, I wouldn't say they are better (I recall issues in high school) coaches but overall, there are more options. Like I wouldn't even consider competitive swimming for my son. Not that it isn't a good fitness activity, just it will cost so much less, and he'll get so much more out of it since it's a money sport for boys I view swimming, basketball, soccer to be equivalent for girls, basically just fun and fitness. It would be cool if Kaitlin Clark could do a Michael Jordan on the WNBA and turn it into a money sport so that girls can have role models also.

Basketball coaches know how to develop tall athletes. One of the comments above about tall athletes not having the skills is kind of funny. I read coaching manuals for fun to learn about sports and kids and what not. It's funny because my book on developing post players has sections on how to handle athletes that don't have the "complete package" of skills, which the book claims is more often the case than not. They talk about what to do if they can't catch the ball, or can't jump don't have endurance etc. Like my basketball coach said, there is spot on the team because you've got the thing we can't teach. I know short parents say kids should have all the skills, but it isn't like tall kids aren't trying they are growing, somethings will just be harder for them to master, diving for example. Swimming and soccer don't seem to have this philosophy, which is strange. I can kind of understand it in soccer, height isn't as much of an advantage, but swimming what do these coaches know about talent anyway? What a red flag. I mean really, are you paying to be in the pool with the kid that isn't ever going anywhere or the next 6'1" Katie Ledecky or 6'4" Michael Phelps.

So now you think they should have taken your kid just based on the fact that she’s tall for her age?

I just don't think you understand what competitive swimming is. The point is that other sports know about this problem and how to manage it, in soccer they kind of do the opposite because tall kids have an advantage early on, they tend to protect the smaller players that will eventually be more agile. Gymnastics, I didn't even bother.

I tried to contact RMSC early on and explain the situation. Tall athletic girl who was in lessons, but covid, I have doing pullups and inversions on still rings other activities etc., how do I get her on the team. crickets...

I think most of this readership does understand swimming and is therefore extremely confused by your grievances.

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Anonymous wrote:And you just moved here from HoCo? And you are already booted from RMSC and MSI! Nice work

Yeah, I shouldn't complain, tall athletic kids have so many options. Basketball, I wouldn't say they are better (I recall issues in high school) coaches but overall, there are more options. Like I wouldn't even consider competitive swimming for my son. Not that it isn't a good fitness activity, just it will cost so much less, and he'll get so much more out of it since it's a money sport for boys I view swimming, basketball, soccer to be equivalent for girls, basically just fun and fitness. It would be cool if Kaitlin Clark could do a Michael Jordan on the WNBA and turn it into a money sport so that girls can have role models also.

Basketball coaches know how to develop tall athletes. One of the comments above about tall athletes not having the skills is kind of funny. I read coaching manuals for fun to learn about sports and kids and what not. It's funny because my book on developing post players has sections on how to handle athletes that don't have the "complete package" of skills, which the book claims is more often the case than not. They talk about what to do if they can't catch the ball, or can't jump don't have endurance etc. Like my basketball coach said, there is spot on the team because you've got the thing we can't teach. I know short parents say kids should have all the skills, but it isn't like tall kids aren't trying they are growing, somethings will just be harder for them to master, diving for example. Swimming and soccer don't seem to have this philosophy, which is strange. I can kind of understand it in soccer, height isn't as much of an advantage, but swimming what do these coaches know about talent anyway? What a red flag. I mean really, are you paying to be in the pool with the kid that isn't ever going anywhere or the next 6'1" Katie Ledecky or 6'4" Michael Phelps.

So now you think they should have taken your kid just based on the fact that she’s tall for her age?

I just don't think you understand what competitive swimming is. The point is that other sports know about this problem and how to manage it, in soccer they kind of do the opposite because tall kids have an advantage early on, they tend to protect the smaller players that will eventually be more agile. Gymnastics, I didn't even bother.

I tried to contact RMSC early on and explain the situation. Tall athletic girl who was in lessons, but covid, I have doing pullups and inversions on still rings other activities etc., how do I get her on the team. crickets...

what is "the problem" you're referencing?

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Anonymous wrote:And you just moved here from HoCo? And you are already booted from RMSC and MSI! Nice work

Yeah, I shouldn't complain, tall athletic kids have so many options. Basketball, I wouldn't say they are better (I recall issues in high school) coaches but overall, there are more options. Like I wouldn't even consider competitive swimming for my son. Not that it isn't a good fitness activity, just it will cost so much less, and he'll get so much more out of it since it's a money sport for boys I view swimming, basketball, soccer to be equivalent for girls, basically just fun and fitness. It would be cool if Kaitlin Clark could do a Michael Jordan on the WNBA and turn it into a money sport so that girls can have role models also.

Basketball coaches know how to develop tall athletes. One of the comments above about tall athletes not having the skills is kind of funny. I read coaching manuals for fun to learn about sports and kids and what not. It's funny because my book on developing post players has sections on how to handle athletes that don't have the "complete package" of skills, which the book claims is more often the case than not. They talk about what to do if they can't catch the ball, or can't jump don't have endurance etc. Like my basketball coach said, there is spot on the team because you've got the thing we can't teach. I know short parents say kids should have all the skills, but it isn't like tall kids aren't trying they are growing, somethings will just be harder for them to master, diving for example. Swimming and soccer don't seem to have this philosophy, which is strange. I can kind of understand it in soccer, height isn't as much of an advantage, but swimming what do these coaches know about talent anyway? What a red flag. I mean really, are you paying to be in the pool with the kid that isn't ever going anywhere or the next 6'1" Katie Ledecky or 6'4" Michael Phelps.

So now you think they should have taken your kid just based on the fact that she’s tall for her age?

I just don't think you understand what competitive swimming is. The point is that other sports know about this problem and how to manage it, in soccer they kind of do the opposite because tall kids have an advantage early on, they tend to protect the smaller players that will eventually be more agile. Gymnastics, I didn't even bother.

I tried to contact RMSC early on and explain the situation. Tall athletic girl who was in lessons, but covid, I have doing pullups and inversions on still rings other activities etc., how do I get her on the team. crickets...

OP you are the only one on this thread that doesn’t understand competitive swimming

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poor kid.

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Anonymous wrote:And you just moved here from HoCo? And you are already booted from RMSC and MSI! Nice work

Yeah, I shouldn't complain, tall athletic kids have so many options. Basketball, I wouldn't say they are better (I recall issues in high school) coaches but overall, there are more options. Like I wouldn't even consider competitive swimming for my son. Not that it isn't a good fitness activity, just it will cost so much less, and he'll get so much more out of it since it's a money sport for boys I view swimming, basketball, soccer to be equivalent for girls, basically just fun and fitness. It would be cool if Kaitlin Clark could do a Michael Jordan on the WNBA and turn it into a money sport so that girls can have role models also.

Basketball coaches know how to develop tall athletes. One of the comments above about tall athletes not having the skills is kind of funny. I read coaching manuals for fun to learn about sports and kids and what not. It's funny because my book on developing post players has sections on how to handle athletes that don't have the "complete package" of skills, which the book claims is more often the case than not. They talk about what to do if they can't catch the ball, or can't jump don't have endurance etc. Like my basketball coach said, there is spot on the team because you've got the thing we can't teach. I know short parents say kids should have all the skills, but it isn't like tall kids aren't trying they are growing, somethings will just be harder for them to master, diving for example. Swimming and soccer don't seem to have this philosophy, which is strange. I can kind of understand it in soccer, height isn't as much of an advantage, but swimming what do these coaches know about talent anyway? What a red flag. I mean really, are you paying to be in the pool with the kid that isn't ever going anywhere or the next 6'1" Katie Ledecky or 6'4" Michael Phelps.

So now you think they should have taken your kid just based on the fact that she’s tall for her age?

I just don't think you understand what competitive swimming is. The point is that other sports know about this problem and how to manage it, in soccer they kind of do the opposite because tall kids have an advantage early on, they tend to protect the smaller players that will eventually be more agile. Gymnastics, I didn't even bother.

I tried to contact RMSC early on and explain the situation. Tall athletic girl who was in lessons, but covid, I have doing pullups and inversions on still rings other activities etc., how do I get her on the team. crickets...

I do understand competitive swimming, my child is a high level competitive swimmer. And I’ll let you in on a secret, generally the athletic kids who have “it” when it comes to swimming will stand out at age 7 if they have had any kind of lessons at all. I can imagine you are well known at RMSC if you actually emailed them with that about a 7 year old and tried to blame Covid for poor performance at a tryout in 2023. You are right that your kid doesn't stand a chance, but that is because the club doesn’t want to deal with you as a parent.

This. You did not start swimming nor did it multiple times a week to get her ready for rmsc. This is not Covid. We gave you options of pre team through Rockville. You are not entitled to a spot. A spot is earned.

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Anonymous wrote:And you just moved here from HoCo? And you are already booted from RMSC and MSI! Nice work

Yeah, I shouldn't complain, tall athletic kids have so many options. Basketball, I wouldn't say they are better (I recall issues in high school) coaches but overall, there are more options. Like I wouldn't even consider competitive swimming for my son. Not that it isn't a good fitness activity, just it will cost so much less, and he'll get so much more out of it since it's a money sport for boys I view swimming, basketball, soccer to be equivalent for girls, basically just fun and fitness. It would be cool if Kaitlin Clark could do a Michael Jordan on the WNBA and turn it into a money sport so that girls can have role models also.

Basketball coaches know how to develop tall athletes. One of the comments above about tall athletes not having the skills is kind of funny. I read coaching manuals for fun to learn about sports and kids and what not. It's funny because my book on developing post players has sections on how to handle athletes that don't have the "complete package" of skills, which the book claims is more often the case than not. They talk about what to do if they can't catch the ball, or can't jump don't have endurance etc. Like my basketball coach said, there is spot on the team because you've got the thing we can't teach. I know short parents say kids should have all the skills, but it isn't like tall kids aren't trying they are growing, somethings will just be harder for them to master, diving for example. Swimming and soccer don't seem to have this philosophy, which is strange. I can kind of understand it in soccer, height isn't as much of an advantage, but swimming what do these coaches know about talent anyway? What a red flag. I mean really, are you paying to be in the pool with the kid that isn't ever going anywhere or the next 6'1" Katie Ledecky or 6'4" Michael Phelps.

So now you think they should have taken your kid just based on the fact that she’s tall for her age?

I just don't think you understand what competitive swimming is. The point is that other sports know about this problem and how to manage it, in soccer they kind of do the opposite because tall kids have an advantage early on, they tend to protect the smaller players that will eventually be more agile. Gymnastics, I didn't even bother.

I tried to contact RMSC early on and explain the situation. Tall athletic girl who was in lessons, but covid, I have doing pullups and inversions on still rings other activities etc., how do I get her on the team. crickets...

what is "the problem" you're referencing?

Coaches setting short kids up for long term failure and burnout, because it's easier to grasp some skills early on when you have low rotational inertia and short limbs. It's too bad RSFC doesn't have a diving program or an artistic swimming program. Then again not sure I would want my kids on a dive team there. I think they used to have one, I wonder what happened?