Is MoCo taking advantage of Rockville's pool

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting though, the trend of NCAP leaving for RMSC is documented here:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/90/1214467.page

I had sort of suspected that that was why they were getting away with having kids do racing dives. The kids were defecting from private groups to RMSC and had already been in year round programs, in addition to the private lessons that were going on.

Anyway, it adds more evidence that the Rockville pool is being taking advantage of by non-residents for the low cost.

OP, what’s your beef? Non-resident “taking advantage” of Rockville pool? Really. Do you hear yourself? Kids, county or city are trying to learn how to swim and you are making it sound like we, county residents are trying to trick Rockville pool into letting us take lessons and use the pool. Rockville pool will not survive if it is JUST for city residents.

Is your issue with RMSC? Did your kid not get in? If RMSC coaches are not doing things that you approved of, you can always go to another club. That’s one way you can “show” Rockville by just joining another club, going to another summer swim team.

OP wants a public pool at subsidized prices but for it to not be crowded like a private pool. Good luck with that.

Or at least to not have to pay for a pool I am unable to enjoy. You want a crowded pool filled with absurd coaches; you pay for it.

Crowded = lots of revenue with low user costs

Join a private swim club if you want that type of experience.

And you can stop taking my money and giving me no services if you don't want to be called a fraud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's interesting though, the trend of NCAP leaving for RMSC is documented here:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/90/1214467.page

I had sort of suspected that that was why they were getting away with having kids do racing dives. The kids were defecting from private groups to RMSC and had already been in year round programs, in addition to the private lessons that were going on.

Anyway, it adds more evidence that the Rockville pool is being taking advantage of by non-residents for the low cost.

OP, what’s your beef? Non-resident “taking advantage” of Rockville pool? Really. Do you hear yourself? Kids, county or city are trying to learn how to swim and you are making it sound like we, county residents are trying to trick Rockville pool into letting us take lessons and use the pool. Rockville pool will not survive if it is JUST for city residents.

Is your issue with RMSC? Did your kid not get in? If RMSC coaches are not doing things that you approved of, you can always go to another club. That’s one way you can “show” Rockville by just joining another club, going to another summer swim team.

OP wants a public pool at subsidized prices but for it to not be crowded like a private pool. Good luck with that.

Or at least to not have to pay for a pool I am unable to enjoy. You want a crowded pool filled with absurd coaches; you pay for it.

Crowded = lots of revenue with low user costs

Join a private swim club if you want that type of experience.

And you can stop taking my money and giving me no services if you don't want to be called a fraud.

I mean I don't even go there. You sound extremely unreasonable and mean to boot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's interesting though, the trend of NCAP leaving for RMSC is documented here:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/90/1214467.page

I had sort of suspected that that was why they were getting away with having kids do racing dives. The kids were defecting from private groups to RMSC and had already been in year round programs, in addition to the private lessons that were going on.

Anyway, it adds more evidence that the Rockville pool is being taking advantage of by non-residents for the low cost.

OP, what’s your beef? Non-resident “taking advantage” of Rockville pool? Really. Do you hear yourself? Kids, county or city are trying to learn how to swim and you are making it sound like we, county residents are trying to trick Rockville pool into letting us take lessons and use the pool. Rockville pool will not survive if it is JUST for city residents.

Is your issue with RMSC? Did your kid not get in? If RMSC coaches are not doing things that you approved of, you can always go to another club. That’s one way you can “show” Rockville by just joining another club, going to another summer swim team.

OP wants a public pool at subsidized prices but for it to not be crowded like a private pool. Good luck with that.

Or at least to not have to pay for a pool I am unable to enjoy. You want a crowded pool filled with absurd coaches; you pay for it.

Crowded = lots of revenue with low user costs

Join a private swim club if you want that type of experience.

And you can stop taking my money and giving me no services if you don't want to be called a fraud.

I mean I don't even go there. You sound extremely unreasonable and mean to boot.

Well if you don't like the people here, maybe you should go to a private pool somewhere else.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's interesting though, the trend of NCAP leaving for RMSC is documented here:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/90/1214467.page

I had sort of suspected that that was why they were getting away with having kids do racing dives. The kids were defecting from private groups to RMSC and had already been in year round programs, in addition to the private lessons that were going on.

Anyway, it adds more evidence that the Rockville pool is being taking advantage of by non-residents for the low cost.

OP, what’s your beef? Non-resident “taking advantage” of Rockville pool? Really. Do you hear yourself? Kids, county or city are trying to learn how to swim and you are making it sound like we, county residents are trying to trick Rockville pool into letting us take lessons and use the pool. Rockville pool will not survive if it is JUST for city residents.

Is your issue with RMSC? Did your kid not get in? If RMSC coaches are not doing things that you approved of, you can always go to another club. That’s one way you can “show” Rockville by just joining another club, going to another summer swim team.

OP wants a public pool at subsidized prices but for it to not be crowded like a private pool. Good luck with that.

Or at least to not have to pay for a pool I am unable to enjoy. You want a crowded pool filled with absurd coaches; you pay for it.

Crowded = lots of revenue with low user costs

Join a private swim club if you want that type of experience.

And you can stop taking my money and giving me no services if you don't want to be called a fraud.

I mean I don't even go there. You sound extremely unreasonable and mean to boot.

Well if you don't like the people here, maybe you should go to a private pool somewhere else.

I do lol. Why don't you?

Rockville has a massive swim center that is both:
1. A great community asset and
2. Unaffordable if only supported by City of Rockville residents

In Nassau County Long Island for example the big aquatic center is for the whole county of 1.4 millio people. The local towns have small outdoor community pools (and very high property taxes to pay for them) that are restricted to their residents. The expectation you have a huge aquatic center for a city of 70k people and restrict access to only city residents is absurd.

[Anonymous]

I don’t get what the OPs end game is?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get what the OPs end game is?

Mostly just to point out that the non-resident "Competitive" swimmers are basically unwelcome tax freeloaders at the Rockville pool.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get what the OPs end game is?

Mostly just to point out that the non-resident "Competitive" swimmers are basically unwelcome tax freeloaders at the Rockville pool.

OP I suggest that you look at your tax bill and the City operating and capital budgets and figure out how much of your annual city taxes go towards the swim center.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get what the OPs end game is?

Mostly just to point out that the non-resident "Competitive" swimmers are basically unwelcome tax freeloaders at the Rockville pool.

OP I suggest that you look at your tax bill and the City operating and capital budgets and figure out how much of your annual city taxes go towards the swim center.

I was just looking at that, it doesn't break out the resident vs non-resident, however as I mentioned above Swim Team fees dominate the revenue.

It doesn't make sense because there is a gap between expected expenditures 3,032,420 and revenues 2,605,970, there is a Capital Improvements Grant Application for 500K I don't know if that is applied or approved.
https://www.rockvillemd.gov/951/Budget

Expenditures:--------------------------------------------------------

Regular Employee Wages Personnel 653,790
Temporary Employee Wages Personnel 1,124,400
Overtime Personnel 2,660
Disability Personnel -
Allowances Personnel 1,620
FICA Personnel 110,400
Defined Benefit Retirement Personnel 69,960
Thrift Option Retirement Personnel 15,090
Medical Insurance Personnel 55,630
Retiree Health Insr. (GASB45) Personnel -
Life Insurance Personnel 2,270
Dental Insurance Personnel 1,710
Medicare Personnel 25,820
Consultants Operating -
Outside Trainers Operating 53,000
Postage Operating -
Advertising-Non Recruitment Operating 600
Software Maintenance and Subscriptions Operating 3,000
Janitorial Services Operating 97,600
Class & Professional Development Operating 20,540
Contract Services-Building Operating 65,730
Contract Services-Grounds Operating 6,500
Alarm Systems Operating 1,000
Other Contract Equip. Repair Operating 6,730
Facility Rental Operating -
Heavy Equipment Rental Operating -
Color Copier Expense Operating -
Other Equipment Leases Operating -
Electricity Operating 244,540
Heating Fuel Operating 107,840
Water Service Payments Operating 78,140
Sewer Service Payments Operating 51,640
SWM Fees Operating 15,310
Equipment Parts Operating 28,900
Program Supplies Operating 53,810
Maintenance Supplies Operating 23,300
Chemicals Operating 89,200
Purchase/Inventory Issue Clothing Operating 2,250
Food for Employee Events Operating -
Emergency Response Supplies Operating -
Furniture & Equipment <$5,000 Operating 11,640
Major Repairs Capital Outlay -
Special Projects Capital Outlay -
Equipment and Tools Capital Outlay 7,800
total= 3,032,420

Renues:---------------------------------------------
Swim Team Dues Charges for Service 771,150
Memberships Revenue Charges for Service 514,400
Park&Recreation Concess Charges for Service 4,000
Facility Rental Fees Charges for Service 46,000
Recreation Prg Fees Charges for Service 869,000
Merchandise Charges for Service 4,000
Admission Charge Charges for Service 394,420
Miscellaneous Revenue Other Revenue 1,000
Recreation Admin. Fees Other Revenue 2,000
total= 2,605,970

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get what the OPs end game is?

Mostly just to point out that the non-resident "Competitive" swimmers are basically unwelcome tax freeloaders at the Rockville pool.

OP I suggest that you look at your tax bill and the City operating and capital budgets and figure out how much of your annual city taxes go towards the swim center.

I was just looking at that, it doesn't break out the resident vs non-resident, however as I mentioned above Swim Team fees dominate the revenue.

It doesn't make sense because there is a gap between expected expenditures 3,032,420 and revenues 2,605,970, there is a Capital Improvements Grant Application for 500K I don't know if that is applied or approved.
https://www.rockvillemd.gov/951/Budget

Expenditures:--------------------------------------------------------

Regular Employee Wages Personnel 653,790
Temporary Employee Wages Personnel 1,124,400
Overtime Personnel 2,660
Disability Personnel -
Allowances Personnel 1,620
FICA Personnel 110,400
Defined Benefit Retirement Personnel 69,960
Thrift Option Retirement Personnel 15,090
Medical Insurance Personnel 55,630
Retiree Health Insr. (GASB45) Personnel -
Life Insurance Personnel 2,270
Dental Insurance Personnel 1,710
Medicare Personnel 25,820
Consultants Operating -
Outside Trainers Operating 53,000
Postage Operating -
Advertising-Non Recruitment Operating 600
Software Maintenance and Subscriptions Operating 3,000
Janitorial Services Operating 97,600
Class & Professional Development Operating 20,540
Contract Services-Building Operating 65,730
Contract Services-Grounds Operating 6,500
Alarm Systems Operating 1,000
Other Contract Equip. Repair Operating 6,730
Facility Rental Operating -
Heavy Equipment Rental Operating -
Color Copier Expense Operating -
Other Equipment Leases Operating -
Electricity Operating 244,540
Heating Fuel Operating 107,840
Water Service Payments Operating 78,140
Sewer Service Payments Operating 51,640
SWM Fees Operating 15,310
Equipment Parts Operating 28,900
Program Supplies Operating 53,810
Maintenance Supplies Operating 23,300
Chemicals Operating 89,200
Purchase/Inventory Issue Clothing Operating 2,250
Food for Employee Events Operating -
Emergency Response Supplies Operating -
Furniture & Equipment <$5,000 Operating 11,640
Major Repairs Capital Outlay -
Special Projects Capital Outlay -
Equipment and Tools Capital Outlay 7,800
total= 3,032,420

Renues:---------------------------------------------
Swim Team Dues Charges for Service 771,150
Memberships Revenue Charges for Service 514,400
Park&Recreation Concess Charges for Service 4,000
Facility Rental Fees Charges for Service 46,000
Recreation Prg Fees Charges for Service 869,000
Merchandise Charges for Service 4,000
Admission Charge Charges for Service 394,420
Miscellaneous Revenue Other Revenue 1,000
Recreation Admin. Fees Other Revenue 2,000
total= 2,605,970

I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

[Anonymous]

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get what the OPs end game is?

Mostly just to point out that the non-resident "Competitive" swimmers are basically unwelcome tax freeloaders at the Rockville pool.

OP I suggest that you look at your tax bill and the City operating and capital budgets and figure out how much of your annual city taxes go towards the swim center.

I was just looking at that, it doesn't break out the resident vs non-resident, however as I mentioned above Swim Team fees dominate the revenue.

It doesn't make sense because there is a gap between expected expenditures 3,032,420 and revenues 2,605,970, there is a Capital Improvements Grant Application for 500K I don't know if that is applied or approved.
https://www.rockvillemd.gov/951/Budget

Expenditures:--------------------------------------------------------

Regular Employee Wages Personnel 653,790
Temporary Employee Wages Personnel 1,124,400
Overtime Personnel 2,660
Disability Personnel -
Allowances Personnel 1,620
FICA Personnel 110,400
Defined Benefit Retirement Personnel 69,960
Thrift Option Retirement Personnel 15,090
Medical Insurance Personnel 55,630
Retiree Health Insr. (GASB45) Personnel -
Life Insurance Personnel 2,270
Dental Insurance Personnel 1,710
Medicare Personnel 25,820
Consultants Operating -
Outside Trainers Operating 53,000
Postage Operating -
Advertising-Non Recruitment Operating 600
Software Maintenance and Subscriptions Operating 3,000
Janitorial Services Operating 97,600
Class & Professional Development Operating 20,540
Contract Services-Building Operating 65,730
Contract Services-Grounds Operating 6,500
Alarm Systems Operating 1,000
Other Contract Equip. Repair Operating 6,730
Facility Rental Operating -
Heavy Equipment Rental Operating -
Color Copier Expense Operating -
Other Equipment Leases Operating -
Electricity Operating 244,540
Heating Fuel Operating 107,840
Water Service Payments Operating 78,140
Sewer Service Payments Operating 51,640
SWM Fees Operating 15,310
Equipment Parts Operating 28,900
Program Supplies Operating 53,810
Maintenance Supplies Operating 23,300
Chemicals Operating 89,200
Purchase/Inventory Issue Clothing Operating 2,250
Food for Employee Events Operating -
Emergency Response Supplies Operating -
Furniture & Equipment <$5,000 Operating 11,640
Major Repairs Capital Outlay -
Special Projects Capital Outlay -
Equipment and Tools Capital Outlay 7,800
total= 3,032,420

Renues:---------------------------------------------
Swim Team Dues Charges for Service 771,150
Memberships Revenue Charges for Service 514,400
Park&Recreation Concess Charges for Service 4,000
Facility Rental Fees Charges for Service 46,000
Recreation Prg Fees Charges for Service 869,000
Merchandise Charges for Service 4,000
Admission Charge Charges for Service 394,420
Miscellaneous Revenue Other Revenue 1,000
Recreation Admin. Fees Other Revenue 2,000
total= 2,605,970

I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

Based on this data, the swim center is 87% funded by operations 13% by the taxpayer. The $400,000 subsidy by the taxpayer is equal to $6 per Rockville city resident. In a sea of government waste, I actually think this is a success.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

Raising the price for RMSC Rockville wouldn’t be crazy. The swimmers are not freeloaders, they still pay thousands per year. What good would shutting down the down center do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

Raising the price for RMSC Rockville wouldn’t be crazy. The swimmers are not freeloaders, they still pay thousands per year. What good would shutting down the down center do?

What good is a pool my kid can't swim in? They denied my kid the right to swim in the Rockville pool. If these swim coaches can't be brought to heel, then we need to rethink funding these places.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

Raising the price for RMSC Rockville wouldn’t be crazy. The swimmers are not freeloaders, they still pay thousands per year. What good would shutting down the down center do?

What good is a pool my kid can't swim in? They denied my kid the right to swim in the Rockville pool. If these swim coaches can't be brought to heel, then we need to rethink funding these places.

The pool is overcrowded with paying customers, and you think the solution is to shut it down, not build more pools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

Raising the price for RMSC Rockville wouldn’t be crazy. The swimmers are not freeloaders, they still pay thousands per year. What good would shutting down the down center do?

What good is a pool my kid can't swim in? They denied my kid the right to swim in the Rockville pool. If these swim coaches can't be brought to heel, then we need to rethink funding these places.

The pool is overcrowded with paying customers, and you think the solution is to shut it down, not build more pools?

To remedy the overcrowding I suggested getting rid of the non-residents. Let the non-residents go and build a pool, but for some reason that was considered unacceptable. Then again, the non-residents were the ones shutting down the other public facility.