Is MoCo taking advantage of Rockville's pool

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

That's not how I see it. Many(most) were forced to take a break during COVID - but you are the one who lost focus here and took a too extended of a break that your daughter had to basically re-learn how too swim once you re-engaged again. That completely on you - your fault and failure of imagination as to the possibilities of what was actually available were you so inclined.

The times that 7 and 8 year olds are posting do not support your supposition that "this year's 8yo class is weak" - their just isn't any difference between the current times and times from other years.

+1. Where’s his data to support this year’s 8 year olds times are weak? OP should know that the top 8U girl from the Rays is breaking numerous MCSL records this year. Yes, she is in RMSC and so were the other top Ray swimmers in that group.

Yes the data supports it. You can get the time trials for the 8u Rays. 2023 and 2024. To make Division A A-Meets in 2023 you had to have a 20second 25meter freestyls. In 2024 it dropped to 22 seconds.

So, there it is Covid Cheaters had the pools to themselves and are breaking records, everyone else was struggling to get back in the water.

No, the data do not support it -- you've conveniently plucked a small sub-set of data(kids and times) froom a limited time period(2023 and 2024) and that simply does not present any sort of minimal statistical rigor.

Your supposition is blind and not supported by facts.

Some RMSC kids don't do summer team, especially as they get older as they work, are coaching, summer school, speciality camps and more. Younger kids may not either. Older kids in RMSC swim through July.

Look, you aren't entitled to a spot. There were probably 1-2 spots for 8 year olds, if that. Your kid may have not done the strokes correctly, or something else. Or, they knew you from the Rays and didn't want to deal with you.

Who do you think is entitled? Just curious. Sounds like a fiefdom to me. Maybe the city shouldn't be in the swim team business, most cities have quit doing that many years ago.

Nobody is entitled - that's not how it works - that seems to be the disconnect and re-occurring theme with you - you feel entitled to a slot and since you didn't get one, your response is to defund the whole operation. Good luck with that, pal.

I did get the associate coach fired or at least demoted to lifeguard; it was kind of funny sitting there watch us do laps. You know. Picking on little kids isn't something you can get away with. However, the tight knit swim culture is so spineless they have to look up to see pond scum, when it comes to standing up for their rights. I think it is worth trying to go after someone a little higher up don't you think, someone with a little more responsibility. Maybe one of the head coaches that oopsie daisy wasn't at the pool during the bullying incident.

So, in this instance, it appears the only way to go after these folks is to lobby to defund the whole thing. Or is there some other mechanism to see to removing the coaches (not just the token scape goat associate)

I mean if this is all the swimming community can do for retribution, they don't deserve a pool. Maybe the whole KSAC thing is karma.

You’ve yet to provide any real examples of how your child was bullied or picked on (not making the team doesn’t count). Your comments are starting to border on slanderous. I wish your daughter success in swimming or whatever endeavor about which she’s passionate.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

That's not how I see it. Many(most) were forced to take a break during COVID - but you are the one who lost focus here and took a too extended of a break that your daughter had to basically re-learn how too swim once you re-engaged again. That completely on you - your fault and failure of imagination as to the possibilities of what was actually available were you so inclined.

The times that 7 and 8 year olds are posting do not support your supposition that "this year's 8yo class is weak" - their just isn't any difference between the current times and times from other years.

+1. Where’s his data to support this year’s 8 year olds times are weak? OP should know that the top 8U girl from the Rays is breaking numerous MCSL records this year. Yes, she is in RMSC and so were the other top Ray swimmers in that group.

Yes the data supports it. You can get the time trials for the 8u Rays. 2023 and 2024. To make Division A A-Meets in 2023 you had to have a 20second 25meter freestyls. In 2024 it dropped to 22 seconds.

So, there it is Covid Cheaters had the pools to themselves and are breaking records, everyone else was struggling to get back in the water.

No, the data do not support it -- you've conveniently plucked a small sub-set of data(kids and times) froom a limited time period(2023 and 2024) and that simply does not present any sort of minimal statistical rigor.

Your supposition is blind and not supported by facts.

Some RMSC kids don't do summer team, especially as they get older as they work, are coaching, summer school, speciality camps and more. Younger kids may not either. Older kids in RMSC swim through July.

Look, you aren't entitled to a spot. There were probably 1-2 spots for 8 year olds, if that. Your kid may have not done the strokes correctly, or something else. Or, they knew you from the Rays and didn't want to deal with you.

Who do you think is entitled? Just curious. Sounds like a fiefdom to me. Maybe the city shouldn't be in the swim team business, most cities have quit doing that many years ago.

Nobody is entitled - that's not how it works - that seems to be the disconnect and re-occurring theme with you - you feel entitled to a slot and since you didn't get one, your response is to defund the whole operation. Good luck with that, pal.

I did get the associate coach fired or at least demoted to lifeguard; it was kind of funny sitting there watch us do laps. You know. Picking on little kids isn't something you can get away with. However, the tight knit swim culture is so spineless they have to look up to see pond scum, when it comes to standing up for their rights. I think it is worth trying to go after someone a little higher up don't you think, someone with a little more responsibility. Maybe one of the head coaches that oopsie daisy wasn't at the pool during the bullying incident.

So, in this instance, it appears the only way to go after these folks is to lobby to defund the whole thing. Or is there some other mechanism to see to removing the coaches (not just the token scape goat associate)

I mean if this is all the swimming community can do for retribution, they don't deserve a pool. Maybe the whole KSAC thing is karma.

You’ve yet to provide any real examples of how your child was bullied or picked on (not making the team doesn’t count). Your comments are starting to border on slanderous. I wish your daughter success in swimming or whatever endeavor about which she’s passionate.

There is an ABSOLUTE ZERO percent chance of this child being successful at anything in life when having a parent that acts like this!

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"I have taken time to review the details of your concern and communicate with staff for their information on what occurred.

We are sorry that one of the coaches asked your daughter to demonstrate a racing dive from the starting block during the tryout. As Coach XXX mentioned, there was a misunderstanding between the coaches regarding instructions given to them. The intent was to have participants demonstrate a racing dive from the pool deck if they were comfortable. Safety for all is a top priority and I will be making sure to review safety information on a number of topics including diving at upcoming coaches safety training sessions that occur at the start of the season. I too add my apologies for this misunderstanding which resulted in your daughter being asked to demonstrate a dive from the starting blocks. "

So they asked her to go off the racing block, then they went back and ran through a course of breaststroke. Oh and by the way they don't like her breaststroke.

Ooopsie daisy.

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Anonymous wrote:"I have taken time to review the details of your concern and communicate with staff for their information on what occurred.

We are sorry that one of the coaches asked your daughter to demonstrate a racing dive from the starting block during the tryout. As Coach XXX mentioned, there was a misunderstanding between the coaches regarding instructions given to them. The intent was to have participants demonstrate a racing dive from the pool deck if they were comfortable. Safety for all is a top priority and I will be making sure to review safety information on a number of topics including diving at upcoming coaches safety training sessions that occur at the start of the season. I too add my apologies for this misunderstanding which resulted in your daughter being asked to demonstrate a dive from the starting blocks. "

So they asked her to go off the racing block, then they went back and ran through a course of breaststroke. Oh and by the way they don't like her breaststroke.

Ooopsie daisy.

I’m sorry to report that a competitive 8-year -old should be able to do a block start and a legal breaststroke. This isn’t bullying. It’s club swim.
Ooopsie daisy.

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Anonymous wrote:"I have taken time to review the details of your concern and communicate with staff for their information on what occurred.

We are sorry that one of the coaches asked your daughter to demonstrate a racing dive from the starting block during the tryout. As Coach XXX mentioned, there was a misunderstanding between the coaches regarding instructions given to them. The intent was to have participants demonstrate a racing dive from the pool deck if they were comfortable. Safety for all is a top priority and I will be making sure to review safety information on a number of topics including diving at upcoming coaches safety training sessions that occur at the start of the season. I too add my apologies for this misunderstanding which resulted in your daughter being asked to demonstrate a dive from the starting blocks. "

So they asked her to go off the racing block, then they went back and ran through a course of breaststroke. Oh and by the way they don't like her breaststroke.

Ooopsie daisy.

I’m sorry to report that a competitive 8-year -old should be able to do a block start and a legal breaststroke. This isn’t bullying. It’s club swim.
Ooopsie daisy.

That may or not be the case. It's pretty well known that few of the kids going into the programs have that skill and the parents of the ones that I talked to were not required to demonstrate that skill at the tryouts. Which is simply not fair.

However, what is the case is that is an inappropriate method to assess whether a kid can go off the blocks. There is a USA Swimming protocol and any swimmer under ten is required to have a certification log signed by the head coach. https://www.usaswimming.org/docs/default-source/coaching-resourcesdocuments/racing-start-certification.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:"I have taken time to review the details of your concern and communicate with staff for their information on what occurred.

We are sorry that one of the coaches asked your daughter to demonstrate a racing dive from the starting block during the tryout. As Coach XXX mentioned, there was a misunderstanding between the coaches regarding instructions given to them. The intent was to have participants demonstrate a racing dive from the pool deck if they were comfortable. Safety for all is a top priority and I will be making sure to review safety information on a number of topics including diving at upcoming coaches safety training sessions that occur at the start of the season. I too add my apologies for this misunderstanding which resulted in your daughter being asked to demonstrate a dive from the starting blocks. "

So they asked her to go off the racing block, then they went back and ran through a course of breaststroke. Oh and by the way they don't like her breaststroke.

Ooopsie daisy.

I’m sorry to report that a competitive 8-year -old should be able to do a block start and a legal breaststroke. This isn’t bullying. It’s club swim.
Ooopsie daisy.

That may or not be the case. It's pretty well known that few of the kids going into the programs have that skill and the parents of the ones that I talked to were not required to demonstrate that skill at the tryouts. Which is simply not fair.

However, what is the case is that is an inappropriate method to assess whether a kid can go off the blocks. There is a USA Swimming protocol and any swimmer under ten is required to have a certification log signed by the head coach. https://www.usaswimming.org/docs/default-source/coaching-resourcesdocuments/racing-start-certification.pdf

They acknowledged the error and explained they will be reviewing diving safety at an upcoming coaches training, so what more would you like them to do, aside from automatically putting your child on the team?

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If they offer you a spot tomorrow, would you take it?

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

That's not how I see it. Many(most) were forced to take a break during COVID - but you are the one who lost focus here and took a too extended of a break that your daughter had to basically re-learn how too swim once you re-engaged again. That completely on you - your fault and failure of imagination as to the possibilities of what was actually available were you so inclined.

The times that 7 and 8 year olds are posting do not support your supposition that "this year's 8yo class is weak" - their just isn't any difference between the current times and times from other years.

+1. Where’s his data to support this year’s 8 year olds times are weak? OP should know that the top 8U girl from the Rays is breaking numerous MCSL records this year. Yes, she is in RMSC and so were the other top Ray swimmers in that group.

Yes the data supports it. You can get the time trials for the 8u Rays. 2023 and 2024. To make Division A A-Meets in 2023 you had to have a 20second 25meter freestyls. In 2024 it dropped to 22 seconds.

So, there it is Covid Cheaters had the pools to themselves and are breaking records, everyone else was struggling to get back in the water.

No, the data do not support it -- you've conveniently plucked a small sub-set of data(kids and times) froom a limited time period(2023 and 2024) and that simply does not present any sort of minimal statistical rigor.

Your supposition is blind and not supported by facts.

Some RMSC kids don't do summer team, especially as they get older as they work, are coaching, summer school, speciality camps and more. Younger kids may not either. Older kids in RMSC swim through July.

Look, you aren't entitled to a spot. There were probably 1-2 spots for 8 year olds, if that. Your kid may have not done the strokes correctly, or something else. Or, they knew you from the Rays and didn't want to deal with you.

Who do you think is entitled? Just curious. Sounds like a fiefdom to me. Maybe the city shouldn't be in the swim team business, most cities have quit doing that many years ago.

Nobody is entitled - that's not how it works - that seems to be the disconnect and re-occurring theme with you - you feel entitled to a slot and since you didn't get one, your response is to defund the whole operation. Good luck with that, pal.

I did get the associate coach fired or at least demoted to lifeguard; it was kind of funny sitting there watch us do laps. You know. Picking on little kids isn't something you can get away with. However, the tight knit swim culture is so spineless they have to look up to see pond scum, when it comes to standing up for their rights. I think it is worth trying to go after someone a little higher up don't you think, someone with a little more responsibility. Maybe one of the head coaches that oopsie daisy wasn't at the pool during the bullying incident.

So, in this instance, it appears the only way to go after these folks is to lobby to defund the whole thing. Or is there some other mechanism to see to removing the coaches (not just the token scape goat associate)

I mean if this is all the swimming community can do for retribution, they don't deserve a pool. Maybe the whole KSAC thing is karma.

You’ve yet to provide any real examples of how your child was bullied or picked on (not making the team doesn’t count). Your comments are starting to border on slanderous. I wish your daughter success in swimming or whatever endeavor about which she’s passionate.

For the love of god!! Can someone please share the bullying that was done? This poster sound giddy about getting someone demoted/fired, which likely isn’t true. Either this poster is evil or a troll.

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Anonymous wrote:If they offer you a spot tomorrow, would you take it?

Lol, there is no way their kid will ever get offered a spot on any RMSC team because they have already been tagged as a lunatic parent.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

That's not how I see it. Many(most) were forced to take a break during COVID - but you are the one who lost focus here and took a too extended of a break that your daughter had to basically re-learn how too swim once you re-engaged again. That completely on you - your fault and failure of imagination as to the possibilities of what was actually available were you so inclined.

The times that 7 and 8 year olds are posting do not support your supposition that "this year's 8yo class is weak" - their just isn't any difference between the current times and times from other years.

+1. Where’s his data to support this year’s 8 year olds times are weak? OP should know that the top 8U girl from the Rays is breaking numerous MCSL records this year. Yes, she is in RMSC and so were the other top Ray swimmers in that group.

Yes the data supports it. You can get the time trials for the 8u Rays. 2023 and 2024. To make Division A A-Meets in 2023 you had to have a 20second 25meter freestyls. In 2024 it dropped to 22 seconds.

So, there it is Covid Cheaters had the pools to themselves and are breaking records, everyone else was struggling to get back in the water.

No, the data do not support it -- you've conveniently plucked a small sub-set of data(kids and times) froom a limited time period(2023 and 2024) and that simply does not present any sort of minimal statistical rigor.

Your supposition is blind and not supported by facts.

Some RMSC kids don't do summer team, especially as they get older as they work, are coaching, summer school, speciality camps and more. Younger kids may not either. Older kids in RMSC swim through July.

Look, you aren't entitled to a spot. There were probably 1-2 spots for 8 year olds, if that. Your kid may have not done the strokes correctly, or something else. Or, they knew you from the Rays and didn't want to deal with you.

Who do you think is entitled? Just curious. Sounds like a fiefdom to me. Maybe the city shouldn't be in the swim team business, most cities have quit doing that many years ago.

Nobody is entitled - that's not how it works - that seems to be the disconnect and re-occurring theme with you - you feel entitled to a slot and since you didn't get one, your response is to defund the whole operation. Good luck with that, pal.

I did get the associate coach fired or at least demoted to lifeguard; it was kind of funny sitting there watch us do laps. You know. Picking on little kids isn't something you can get away with. However, the tight knit swim culture is so spineless they have to look up to see pond scum, when it comes to standing up for their rights. I think it is worth trying to go after someone a little higher up don't you think, someone with a little more responsibility. Maybe one of the head coaches that oopsie daisy wasn't at the pool during the bullying incident.

So, in this instance, it appears the only way to go after these folks is to lobby to defund the whole thing. Or is there some other mechanism to see to removing the coaches (not just the token scape goat associate)

I mean if this is all the swimming community can do for retribution, they don't deserve a pool. Maybe the whole KSAC thing is karma.

You’ve yet to provide any real examples of how your child was bullied or picked on (not making the team doesn’t count). Your comments are starting to border on slanderous. I wish your daughter success in swimming or whatever endeavor about which she’s passionate.

For the love of god!! Can someone please share the bullying that was done? This poster sound giddy about getting someone demoted/fired, which likely isn’t true. Either this poster is evil or a troll.

I was team troll but the email being posted is giving me pause.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

That's not how I see it. Many(most) were forced to take a break during COVID - but you are the one who lost focus here and took a too extended of a break that your daughter had to basically re-learn how too swim once you re-engaged again. That completely on you - your fault and failure of imagination as to the possibilities of what was actually available were you so inclined.

The times that 7 and 8 year olds are posting do not support your supposition that "this year's 8yo class is weak" - their just isn't any difference between the current times and times from other years.

+1. Where’s his data to support this year’s 8 year olds times are weak? OP should know that the top 8U girl from the Rays is breaking numerous MCSL records this year. Yes, she is in RMSC and so were the other top Ray swimmers in that group.

Yes the data supports it. You can get the time trials for the 8u Rays. 2023 and 2024. To make Division A A-Meets in 2023 you had to have a 20second 25meter freestyls. In 2024 it dropped to 22 seconds.

So, there it is Covid Cheaters had the pools to themselves and are breaking records, everyone else was struggling to get back in the water.

No, the data do not support it -- you've conveniently plucked a small sub-set of data(kids and times) froom a limited time period(2023 and 2024) and that simply does not present any sort of minimal statistical rigor.

Your supposition is blind and not supported by facts.

Some RMSC kids don't do summer team, especially as they get older as they work, are coaching, summer school, speciality camps and more. Younger kids may not either. Older kids in RMSC swim through July.

Look, you aren't entitled to a spot. There were probably 1-2 spots for 8 year olds, if that. Your kid may have not done the strokes correctly, or something else. Or, they knew you from the Rays and didn't want to deal with you.

Who do you think is entitled? Just curious. Sounds like a fiefdom to me. Maybe the city shouldn't be in the swim team business, most cities have quit doing that many years ago.

Nobody is entitled - that's not how it works - that seems to be the disconnect and re-occurring theme with you - you feel entitled to a slot and since you didn't get one, your response is to defund the whole operation. Good luck with that, pal.

I did get the associate coach fired or at least demoted to lifeguard; it was kind of funny sitting there watch us do laps. You know. Picking on little kids isn't something you can get away with. However, the tight knit swim culture is so spineless they have to look up to see pond scum, when it comes to standing up for their rights. I think it is worth trying to go after someone a little higher up don't you think, someone with a little more responsibility. Maybe one of the head coaches that oopsie daisy wasn't at the pool during the bullying incident.

So, in this instance, it appears the only way to go after these folks is to lobby to defund the whole thing. Or is there some other mechanism to see to removing the coaches (not just the token scape goat associate)

I mean if this is all the swimming community can do for retribution, they don't deserve a pool. Maybe the whole KSAC thing is karma.

You’ve yet to provide any real examples of how your child was bullied or picked on (not making the team doesn’t count). Your comments are starting to border on slanderous. I wish your daughter success in swimming or whatever endeavor about which she’s passionate.

For the love of god!! Can someone please share the bullying that was done? This poster sound giddy about getting someone demoted/fired, which likely isn’t true. Either this poster is evil or a troll.

I don’t think there is bullying. The family is basically blacklisted.

The diving block thing, which was LAST year, was not specifically targeted to just OP’s kid. It wasn’t as if everyone else in 8U dived from deck and OP’s kid was singled out. Since then, OP has a chip (or two) on his shoulder and RMSC is basically on his sh@t list.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

That's not how I see it. Many(most) were forced to take a break during COVID - but you are the one who lost focus here and took a too extended of a break that your daughter had to basically re-learn how too swim once you re-engaged again. That completely on you - your fault and failure of imagination as to the possibilities of what was actually available were you so inclined.

The times that 7 and 8 year olds are posting do not support your supposition that "this year's 8yo class is weak" - their just isn't any difference between the current times and times from other years.

+1. Where’s his data to support this year’s 8 year olds times are weak? OP should know that the top 8U girl from the Rays is breaking numerous MCSL records this year. Yes, she is in RMSC and so were the other top Ray swimmers in that group.

Yes the data supports it. You can get the time trials for the 8u Rays. 2023 and 2024. To make Division A A-Meets in 2023 you had to have a 20second 25meter freestyls. In 2024 it dropped to 22 seconds.

So, there it is Covid Cheaters had the pools to themselves and are breaking records, everyone else was struggling to get back in the water.

No, the data do not support it -- you've conveniently plucked a small sub-set of data(kids and times) froom a limited time period(2023 and 2024) and that simply does not present any sort of minimal statistical rigor.

Your supposition is blind and not supported by facts.

Some RMSC kids don't do summer team, especially as they get older as they work, are coaching, summer school, speciality camps and more. Younger kids may not either. Older kids in RMSC swim through July.

Look, you aren't entitled to a spot. There were probably 1-2 spots for 8 year olds, if that. Your kid may have not done the strokes correctly, or something else. Or, they knew you from the Rays and didn't want to deal with you.

Who do you think is entitled? Just curious. Sounds like a fiefdom to me. Maybe the city shouldn't be in the swim team business, most cities have quit doing that many years ago.

Nobody is entitled - that's not how it works - that seems to be the disconnect and re-occurring theme with you - you feel entitled to a slot and since you didn't get one, your response is to defund the whole operation. Good luck with that, pal.

I did get the associate coach fired or at least demoted to lifeguard; it was kind of funny sitting there watch us do laps. You know. Picking on little kids isn't something you can get away with. However, the tight knit swim culture is so spineless they have to look up to see pond scum, when it comes to standing up for their rights. I think it is worth trying to go after someone a little higher up don't you think, someone with a little more responsibility. Maybe one of the head coaches that oopsie daisy wasn't at the pool during the bullying incident.

So, in this instance, it appears the only way to go after these folks is to lobby to defund the whole thing. Or is there some other mechanism to see to removing the coaches (not just the token scape goat associate)

I mean if this is all the swimming community can do for retribution, they don't deserve a pool. Maybe the whole KSAC thing is karma.

You’ve yet to provide any real examples of how your child was bullied or picked on (not making the team doesn’t count). Your comments are starting to border on slanderous. I wish your daughter success in swimming or whatever endeavor about which she’s passionate.

For the love of god!! Can someone please share the bullying that was done? This poster sound giddy about getting someone demoted/fired, which likely isn’t true. Either this poster is evil or a troll.

I don’t think there is bullying. The family is basically blacklisted.

The diving block thing, which was LAST year, was not specifically targeted to just OP’s kid. It wasn’t as if everyone else in 8U dived from deck and OP’s kid was singled out. Since then, OP has a chip (or two) on his shoulder and RMSC is basically on his sh@t list.

Many kids did dive from the deck instead or didn't dive at all, yet still made the team. At least from what I saw in the observation window. Also, many of the kids don't even do block dives at the mini competitions from what I hear, it's even in the promotional pamphlet. If you can't block dive you can dive from the edge. That particular coach was way off base. The integrity of the tryouts reflects poorly on the quality of the individuals in the cult. You know some kids made it and others didn't because of this practice. I requested the numbers, but they refused and also didn't notify the other parents of the safety lapse.

RMSC needs a special pool in the woods where the cult can sacrifice goats with no one watching.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

That's not how I see it. Many(most) were forced to take a break during COVID - but you are the one who lost focus here and took a too extended of a break that your daughter had to basically re-learn how too swim once you re-engaged again. That completely on you - your fault and failure of imagination as to the possibilities of what was actually available were you so inclined.

The times that 7 and 8 year olds are posting do not support your supposition that "this year's 8yo class is weak" - their just isn't any difference between the current times and times from other years.

+1. Where’s his data to support this year’s 8 year olds times are weak? OP should know that the top 8U girl from the Rays is breaking numerous MCSL records this year. Yes, she is in RMSC and so were the other top Ray swimmers in that group.

Yes the data supports it. You can get the time trials for the 8u Rays. 2023 and 2024. To make Division A A-Meets in 2023 you had to have a 20second 25meter freestyls. In 2024 it dropped to 22 seconds.

So, there it is Covid Cheaters had the pools to themselves and are breaking records, everyone else was struggling to get back in the water.

No, the data do not support it -- you've conveniently plucked a small sub-set of data(kids and times) froom a limited time period(2023 and 2024) and that simply does not present any sort of minimal statistical rigor.

Your supposition is blind and not supported by facts.

Some RMSC kids don't do summer team, especially as they get older as they work, are coaching, summer school, speciality camps and more. Younger kids may not either. Older kids in RMSC swim through July.

Look, you aren't entitled to a spot. There were probably 1-2 spots for 8 year olds, if that. Your kid may have not done the strokes correctly, or something else. Or, they knew you from the Rays and didn't want to deal with you.

Who do you think is entitled? Just curious. Sounds like a fiefdom to me. Maybe the city shouldn't be in the swim team business, most cities have quit doing that many years ago.

Nobody is entitled - that's not how it works - that seems to be the disconnect and re-occurring theme with you - you feel entitled to a slot and since you didn't get one, your response is to defund the whole operation. Good luck with that, pal.

I did get the associate coach fired or at least demoted to lifeguard; it was kind of funny sitting there watch us do laps. You know. Picking on little kids isn't something you can get away with. However, the tight knit swim culture is so spineless they have to look up to see pond scum, when it comes to standing up for their rights. I think it is worth trying to go after someone a little higher up don't you think, someone with a little more responsibility. Maybe one of the head coaches that oopsie daisy wasn't at the pool during the bullying incident.

So, in this instance, it appears the only way to go after these folks is to lobby to defund the whole thing. Or is there some other mechanism to see to removing the coaches (not just the token scape goat associate)

I mean if this is all the swimming community can do for retribution, they don't deserve a pool. Maybe the whole KSAC thing is karma.

You’ve yet to provide any real examples of how your child was bullied or picked on (not making the team doesn’t count). Your comments are starting to border on slanderous. I wish your daughter success in swimming or whatever endeavor about which she’s passionate.

For the love of god!! Can someone please share the bullying that was done? This poster sound giddy about getting someone demoted/fired, which likely isn’t true. Either this poster is evil or a troll.

I don’t think there is bullying. The family is basically blacklisted.

The diving block thing, which was LAST year, was not specifically targeted to just OP’s kid. It wasn’t as if everyone else in 8U dived from deck and OP’s kid was singled out. Since then, OP has a chip (or two) on his shoulder and RMSC is basically on his sh@t list.

Many kids did dive from the deck instead or didn't dive at all, yet still made the team. At least from what I saw in the observation window. Also, many of the kids don't even do block dives at the mini competitions from what I hear, it's even in the promotional pamphlet. If you can't block dive you can dive from the edge. That particular coach was way off base. The integrity of the tryouts reflects poorly on the quality of the individuals in the cult. You know some kids made it and others didn't because of this practice. I requested the numbers, but they refused and also didn't notify the other parents of the safety lapse.

RMSC needs a special pool in the woods where the cult can sacrifice goats with no one watching.

How do you know which kids from the tryout actually made the team? And what makes you think it was the block dive that made them not take your kid?

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

That's not how I see it. Many(most) were forced to take a break during COVID - but you are the one who lost focus here and took a too extended of a break that your daughter had to basically re-learn how too swim once you re-engaged again. That completely on you - your fault and failure of imagination as to the possibilities of what was actually available were you so inclined.

The times that 7 and 8 year olds are posting do not support your supposition that "this year's 8yo class is weak" - their just isn't any difference between the current times and times from other years.

+1. Where’s his data to support this year’s 8 year olds times are weak? OP should know that the top 8U girl from the Rays is breaking numerous MCSL records this year. Yes, she is in RMSC and so were the other top Ray swimmers in that group.

Yes the data supports it. You can get the time trials for the 8u Rays. 2023 and 2024. To make Division A A-Meets in 2023 you had to have a 20second 25meter freestyls. In 2024 it dropped to 22 seconds.

So, there it is Covid Cheaters had the pools to themselves and are breaking records, everyone else was struggling to get back in the water.

No, the data do not support it -- you've conveniently plucked a small sub-set of data(kids and times) froom a limited time period(2023 and 2024) and that simply does not present any sort of minimal statistical rigor.

Your supposition is blind and not supported by facts.

Some RMSC kids don't do summer team, especially as they get older as they work, are coaching, summer school, speciality camps and more. Younger kids may not either. Older kids in RMSC swim through July.

Look, you aren't entitled to a spot. There were probably 1-2 spots for 8 year olds, if that. Your kid may have not done the strokes correctly, or something else. Or, they knew you from the Rays and didn't want to deal with you.

Who do you think is entitled? Just curious. Sounds like a fiefdom to me. Maybe the city shouldn't be in the swim team business, most cities have quit doing that many years ago.

Nobody is entitled - that's not how it works - that seems to be the disconnect and re-occurring theme with you - you feel entitled to a slot and since you didn't get one, your response is to defund the whole operation. Good luck with that, pal.

I did get the associate coach fired or at least demoted to lifeguard; it was kind of funny sitting there watch us do laps. You know. Picking on little kids isn't something you can get away with. However, the tight knit swim culture is so spineless they have to look up to see pond scum, when it comes to standing up for their rights. I think it is worth trying to go after someone a little higher up don't you think, someone with a little more responsibility. Maybe one of the head coaches that oopsie daisy wasn't at the pool during the bullying incident.

So, in this instance, it appears the only way to go after these folks is to lobby to defund the whole thing. Or is there some other mechanism to see to removing the coaches (not just the token scape goat associate)

I mean if this is all the swimming community can do for retribution, they don't deserve a pool. Maybe the whole KSAC thing is karma.

You’ve yet to provide any real examples of how your child was bullied or picked on (not making the team doesn’t count). Your comments are starting to border on slanderous. I wish your daughter success in swimming or whatever endeavor about which she’s passionate.

For the love of god!! Can someone please share the bullying that was done? This poster sound giddy about getting someone demoted/fired, which likely isn’t true. Either this poster is evil or a troll.

I don’t think there is bullying. The family is basically blacklisted.

The diving block thing, which was LAST year, was not specifically targeted to just OP’s kid. It wasn’t as if everyone else in 8U dived from deck and OP’s kid was singled out. Since then, OP has a chip (or two) on his shoulder and RMSC is basically on his sh@t list.

Many kids did dive from the deck instead or didn't dive at all, yet still made the team. At least from what I saw in the observation window. Also, many of the kids don't even do block dives at the mini competitions from what I hear, it's even in the promotional pamphlet. If you can't block dive you can dive from the edge. That particular coach was way off base. The integrity of the tryouts reflects poorly on the quality of the individuals in the cult. You know some kids made it and others didn't because of this practice. I requested the numbers, but they refused and also didn't notify the other parents of the safety lapse.

RMSC needs a special pool in the woods where the cult can sacrifice goats with no one watching.

How do you know which kids from the tryout actually made the team? And what makes you think it was the block dive that made them not take your kid?

None of the other RMSC sites used diving. However, RSFC seemed to feel strongly they needed diving. Maybe they were having them dive just for giggles. My personal opinion is they were bullying her, trying to make her uncomfortable, then denigrating her when she made a mistake later in the tryout "ah we saw splash in the breaststroke" after she did a horrible belly flop off a block. Why did they do that one last lap of breaststroke after the dives? She had already done several laps of breaststroke that looked fine before the dive. Then they had her dive off the blocks then more breaststroke. Doesn't make any sense to me.

Again, all the other coaches staff broke their necks looking the other way.

That's what it looked like to me.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

That's not how I see it. Many(most) were forced to take a break during COVID - but you are the one who lost focus here and took a too extended of a break that your daughter had to basically re-learn how too swim once you re-engaged again. That completely on you - your fault and failure of imagination as to the possibilities of what was actually available were you so inclined.

The times that 7 and 8 year olds are posting do not support your supposition that "this year's 8yo class is weak" - their just isn't any difference between the current times and times from other years.

+1. Where’s his data to support this year’s 8 year olds times are weak? OP should know that the top 8U girl from the Rays is breaking numerous MCSL records this year. Yes, she is in RMSC and so were the other top Ray swimmers in that group.

Yes the data supports it. You can get the time trials for the 8u Rays. 2023 and 2024. To make Division A A-Meets in 2023 you had to have a 20second 25meter freestyls. In 2024 it dropped to 22 seconds.

So, there it is Covid Cheaters had the pools to themselves and are breaking records, everyone else was struggling to get back in the water.

No, the data do not support it -- you've conveniently plucked a small sub-set of data(kids and times) froom a limited time period(2023 and 2024) and that simply does not present any sort of minimal statistical rigor.

Your supposition is blind and not supported by facts.

Some RMSC kids don't do summer team, especially as they get older as they work, are coaching, summer school, speciality camps and more. Younger kids may not either. Older kids in RMSC swim through July.

Look, you aren't entitled to a spot. There were probably 1-2 spots for 8 year olds, if that. Your kid may have not done the strokes correctly, or something else. Or, they knew you from the Rays and didn't want to deal with you.

Who do you think is entitled? Just curious. Sounds like a fiefdom to me. Maybe the city shouldn't be in the swim team business, most cities have quit doing that many years ago.

Nobody is entitled - that's not how it works - that seems to be the disconnect and re-occurring theme with you - you feel entitled to a slot and since you didn't get one, your response is to defund the whole operation. Good luck with that, pal.

I did get the associate coach fired or at least demoted to lifeguard; it was kind of funny sitting there watch us do laps. You know. Picking on little kids isn't something you can get away with. However, the tight knit swim culture is so spineless they have to look up to see pond scum, when it comes to standing up for their rights. I think it is worth trying to go after someone a little higher up don't you think, someone with a little more responsibility. Maybe one of the head coaches that oopsie daisy wasn't at the pool during the bullying incident.

So, in this instance, it appears the only way to go after these folks is to lobby to defund the whole thing. Or is there some other mechanism to see to removing the coaches (not just the token scape goat associate)

I mean if this is all the swimming community can do for retribution, they don't deserve a pool. Maybe the whole KSAC thing is karma.

You’ve yet to provide any real examples of how your child was bullied or picked on (not making the team doesn’t count). Your comments are starting to border on slanderous. I wish your daughter success in swimming or whatever endeavor about which she’s passionate.

For the love of god!! Can someone please share the bullying that was done? This poster sound giddy about getting someone demoted/fired, which likely isn’t true. Either this poster is evil or a troll.

I don’t think there is bullying. The family is basically blacklisted.

The diving block thing, which was LAST year, was not specifically targeted to just OP’s kid. It wasn’t as if everyone else in 8U dived from deck and OP’s kid was singled out. Since then, OP has a chip (or two) on his shoulder and RMSC is basically on his sh@t list.

Many kids did dive from the deck instead or didn't dive at all, yet still made the team. At least from what I saw in the observation window. Also, many of the kids don't even do block dives at the mini competitions from what I hear, it's even in the promotional pamphlet. If you can't block dive you can dive from the edge. That particular coach was way off base. The integrity of the tryouts reflects poorly on the quality of the individuals in the cult. You know some kids made it and others didn't because of this practice. I requested the numbers, but they refused and also didn't notify the other parents of the safety lapse.

RMSC needs a special pool in the woods where the cult can sacrifice goats with no one watching.

How do you know which kids from the tryout actually made the team? And what makes you think it was the block dive that made them not take your kid?

None of the other RMSC sites used diving. However, RSFC seemed to feel strongly they needed diving. Maybe they were having them dive just for giggles. My personal opinion is they were bullying her, trying to make her uncomfortable, then denigrating her when she made a mistake later in the tryout "ah we saw splash in the breaststroke" after she did a horrible belly flop off a block. Why did they do that one last lap of breaststroke after the dives? She had already done several laps of breaststroke that looked fine before the dive. Then they had her dive off the blocks then more breaststroke. Doesn't make any sense to me.

Again, all the other coaches staff broke their necks looking the other way.

That's what it looked like to me.

Of course that’s what it looked like to you because you are crazy. What you have described is not bullying, especially because you are saying your daughter was not the only one at the Rockville site doing dives at the tryout. I also highly doubt they “denigrated” her so that she would be uncomfortable. I’m sure the feedback you are referencing was given in response to what I am also sure was an unhinged email from you demanding to know why she did not make the team. You can accuse club swim of a lot of things, but I have never seen or heard of bullying 7 year olds that are trying out. For the sake of your daughter, you really need to get a grip and take a huge step back from her extra-curricular pursuits.