Conservative DCUM'ers: how far back do you want LGBTQ rights rolled back?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How far back?

1.Mind your own business but don't flaunt sexual activity in front of children. That goes for heterosexual and homosexual activity.
2. No transition for children. Some kids think they are superheroes. We don't let them jump off tall buildings to see if they can fly.
3. Don't call people bigots because they think kids should not have surgery a la Dr. Mengele.

When you say sh-- like this, comparing transition to a Nazi torture doctor, you are in fact a bigot.

This is probably not the place for explicit descriptions of the results and complications of bottom surgery, but I think it is extremely unfair to call someone a bigot for recoiling at the idea of it and at it being done to young people who often have a range of other psychological issues

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am still waiting for evidence that conservatives are rolling back LGBTQ rights.

There are bills in most red states. Laws in many passed.

Yet you can't present any of them.

FL passed one that restricts gender affirming care from being provided by nurse practitioners even though 80% of the trans ppl in that state receive care from them. I have a trans friend that has had vaginoplasty and therefore no longer produces any testosterone in her body. Her provider told her that they cannot give her care any longer. Therefore she has no way of receiving hormones in her body.

FL blocked gender affirming care *for youth*. Way to leave out that critical aspect.

What I simply can not understand nor will I ever understand is the Democrat logic for crime stating that we need to be lenient on young criminals because youth have terrible decision making skills since the human adult brain does not fully develop until our 20s, yet here Democrats say youth below 18 have perfectly capable decision making skills regarding their sexuality and for making healthcare decisions that could permanently alter or harm their bodies.

You can’t have it both ways. Either minors have mature enough brains to allow them to pick sexuality and make informed decisions for crime and should be punished, or they can’t make mature, well informed decisions. Which is it? The hypocrisy is astounding. You can’t make this stuff up:

https://katv.com/news/nation-world/maryland-bill-would-prevent-anyone-under-25-from-being-charged-with-felony-murder-democratic-delegate-charlotte-cruchfield-justice-reform-youth-accountability-and-safety-act

You are factually wrong. They passed a law banning nurse practitioners from providing gender affirming care for anyone of any age. My friend is a 30 something adult trans woman and has no way of getting hormones right now other than the fact that she has a small amount saved up.

Show me where it is factually wrong. It’s for *minors*

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/florida-gov-desantis-signs-bills-targeting-drag-shows-trans-rights-and-care-for-transgender-children


You know, the same population of people Democrats tell is have undeveloped brains for making decisions wrt crime.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4050524-trans-adults-scramble-for-care-under-new-florida-law/

So there is no ban for adults. Did you even read your own link? That
Now for confirming my point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How far back?

1.Mind your own business but don't flaunt sexual activity in front of children. That goes for heterosexual and homosexual activity.
2. No transition for children. Some kids think they are superheroes. We don't let them jump off tall buildings to see if they can fly.
3. Don't call people bigots because they think kids should not have surgery a la Dr. Mengele.

When you say sh-- like this, comparing transition to a Nazi torture doctor, you are in fact a bigot.

This is probably not the place for explicit descriptions of the results and complications of bottom surgery, but I think it is extremely unfair to call someone a bigot for recoiling at the idea of it and at it being done to young people who often have a range of other psychological issues

Kids aren’t getting bottom surgery. People are losing their minds over social transitions and puberty blockers because they’re terrified they won’t be able to look at a person, and figure out what kind of genitalia they have. That’s creepy as hell. No one has the right to know what’s in someone else’s pants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How far back?

1.Mind your own business but don't flaunt sexual activity in front of children. That goes for heterosexual and homosexual activity.
2. No transition for children. Some kids think they are superheroes. We don't let them jump off tall buildings to see if they can fly.
3. Don't call people bigots because they think kids should not have surgery a la Dr. Mengele.

When you say sh-- like this, comparing transition to a Nazi torture doctor, you are in fact a bigot.

This is probably not the place for explicit descriptions of the results and complications of bottom surgery, but I think it is extremely unfair to call someone a bigot for recoiling at the idea of it and at it being done to young people who often have a range of other psychological issues

Very few young people get bottom surgery. If you want to ban it for anyone under 18 then that's fine but is that enough? Would you actually be satisfied with that? How many people that are under 18 get it per year right now?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am still waiting for evidence that conservatives are rolling back LGBTQ rights.

There are bills in most red states. Laws in many passed.

Yet you can't present any of them.

FL passed one that restricts gender affirming care from being provided by nurse practitioners even though 80% of the trans ppl in that state receive care from them. I have a trans friend that has had vaginoplasty and therefore no longer produces any testosterone in her body. Her provider told her that they cannot give her care any longer. Therefore she has no way of receiving hormones in her body.

FL blocked gender affirming care *for youth*. Way to leave out that critical aspect.

What I simply can not understand nor will I ever understand is the Democrat logic for crime stating that we need to be lenient on young criminals because youth have terrible decision making skills since the human adult brain does not fully develop until our 20s, yet here Democrats say youth below 18 have perfectly capable decision making skills regarding their sexuality and for making healthcare decisions that could permanently alter or harm their bodies.

You can’t have it both ways. Either minors have mature enough brains to allow them to pick sexuality and make informed decisions for crime and should be punished, or they can’t make mature, well informed decisions. Which is it? The hypocrisy is astounding. You can’t make this stuff up:

https://katv.com/news/nation-world/maryland-bill-would-prevent-anyone-under-25-from-being-charged-with-felony-murder-democratic-delegate-charlotte-cruchfield-justice-reform-youth-accountability-and-safety-act

You are factually wrong. They passed a law banning nurse practitioners from providing gender affirming care for anyone of any age. My friend is a 30 something adult trans woman and has no way of getting hormones right now other than the fact that she has a small amount saved up.

Show me where it is factually wrong. It’s for *minors*

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/florida-gov-desantis-signs-bills-targeting-drag-shows-trans-rights-and-care-for-transgender-children


You know, the same population of people Democrats tell is have undeveloped brains for making decisions wrt crime.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4050524-trans-adults-scramble-for-care-under-new-florida-law/

So there is no ban for adults. Did you even read your own link? That
Now for confirming my point.

It’s banned in practice, not in theory. They changed the laws about who could prescribe and three changed the litigation rules for malpractice claims related to gender affirming care. Malpractice insurers aren’t going to offer insurance if the liability risk lasts forever. So, they have, in practice, stopped doctors from being able to offer this care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How far back?

1.Mind your own business but don't flaunt sexual activity in front of children. That goes for heterosexual and homosexual activity.
2. No transition for children. Some kids think they are superheroes. We don't let them jump off tall buildings to see if they can fly.
3. Don't call people bigots because they think kids should not have surgery a la Dr. Mengele.

When you say sh-- like this, comparing transition to a Nazi torture doctor, you are in fact a bigot.

This is probably not the place for explicit descriptions of the results and complications of bottom surgery, but I think it is extremely unfair to call someone a bigot for recoiling at the idea of it and at it being done to young people who often have a range of other psychological issues

Very few young people get bottom surgery. If you want to ban it for anyone under 18 then that's fine but is that enough? Would you actually be satisfied with that? How many people that are under 18 get it per year right now?

They won’t be satisfied with that. Look at how they react to social transitions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To add, I don’t want anything “rolled back.” LGBT people are just people, like everyone else. They should (and do) have all the rights everyone else has. Can we please just move on without having to constantly discuss/celebrate/emote/signal?

No we cannot. Because those rights are at issue. And a big part of the right dehumanizes or is offended by LGBTQ and their existence. Those people are my family, my friends, my neighbors, people I care about. So no, I'm not ok with dismissing or "moving on" just b/c that is easier for you.

How are their rights being taken away when they are partying at the White House and freely holding pride parades all over the country? No other group gets as much positive publicity from public and private institutions. I can't wait for straight pride month celebrations...but we don't have that do we?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am still waiting for evidence that conservatives are rolling back LGBTQ rights.

There are bills in most red states. Laws in many passed.

Yet you can't present any of them.

FL passed one that restricts gender affirming care from being provided by nurse practitioners even though 80% of the trans ppl in that state receive care from them. I have a trans friend that has had vaginoplasty and therefore no longer produces any testosterone in her body. Her provider told her that they cannot give her care any longer. Therefore she has no way of receiving hormones in her body.

FL blocked gender affirming care *for youth*. Way to leave out that critical aspect.

What I simply can not understand nor will I ever understand is the Democrat logic for crime stating that we need to be lenient on young criminals because youth have terrible decision making skills since the human adult brain does not fully develop until our 20s, yet here Democrats say youth below 18 have perfectly capable decision making skills regarding their sexuality and for making healthcare decisions that could permanently alter or harm their bodies.

You can’t have it both ways. Either minors have mature enough brains to allow them to pick sexuality and make informed decisions for crime and should be punished, or they can’t make mature, well informed decisions. Which is it? The hypocrisy is astounding. You can’t make this stuff up:

https://katv.com/news/nation-world/maryland-bill-would-prevent-anyone-under-25-from-being-charged-with-felony-murder-democratic-delegate-charlotte-cruchfield-justice-reform-youth-accountability-and-safety-act

You are factually wrong. They passed a law banning nurse practitioners from providing gender affirming care for anyone of any age. My friend is a 30 something adult trans woman and has no way of getting hormones right now other than the fact that she has a small amount saved up.

It seems your trans friend has never heard of a medical doctor. Are there none in the whole state of Florida?

Now we're moving the goal posts from this isn't affecting adults to just find an MD. As though most doctors are capable of taking on six times the number of patients they already have. I showed you that Republicans are going after adults. That's not good enough for you? Republicans can never admit when they were wrong.

First, you made a statement that your friend is no longer able to get her hormone shots. That is not true. Second, being redirected to see a doctor and not a NP, is not rolling back your rights.

The right really does have an allergy to admitting they are wrong.

This is not a right. File your lawsuit and take it up to the Supreme Court.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How far back?

1.Mind your own business but don't flaunt sexual activity in front of children. That goes for heterosexual and homosexual activity.
2. No transition for children. Some kids think they are superheroes. We don't let them jump off tall buildings to see if they can fly.
3. Don't call people bigots because they think kids should not have surgery a la Dr. Mengele.

When you say sh-- like this, comparing transition to a Nazi torture doctor, you are in fact a bigot.

This is probably not the place for explicit descriptions of the results and complications of bottom surgery, but I think it is extremely unfair to call someone a bigot for recoiling at the idea of it and at it being done to young people who often have a range of other psychological issues

Kids aren’t getting bottom surgery. People are losing their minds over social transitions and puberty blockers because they’re terrified they won’t be able to look at a person, and figure out what kind of genitalia they have. That’s creepy as hell. No one has the right to know what’s in someone else’s pants.

Your response is very disingenuous

I didn’t say kids were getting it - I said young people - stipulate a 20 year old then

People aren’t opposed to puberty blockers because they’re curious about what’s in anyone’s pants. They’re opposed because they haven’t really been studied long term, and the stuff about them being reversible increasingly appears to be marketing baloney.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am still waiting for evidence that conservatives are rolling back LGBTQ rights.

There are bills in most red states. Laws in many passed.

Yet you can't present any of them.

FL passed one that restricts gender affirming care from being provided by nurse practitioners even though 80% of the trans ppl in that state receive care from them. I have a trans friend that has had vaginoplasty and therefore no longer produces any testosterone in her body. Her provider told her that they cannot give her care any longer. Therefore she has no way of receiving hormones in her body.

FL blocked gender affirming care *for youth*. Way to leave out that critical aspect.

What I simply can not understand nor will I ever understand is the Democrat logic for crime stating that we need to be lenient on young criminals because youth have terrible decision making skills since the human adult brain does not fully develop until our 20s, yet here Democrats say youth below 18 have perfectly capable decision making skills regarding their sexuality and for making healthcare decisions that could permanently alter or harm their bodies.

You can’t have it both ways. Either minors have mature enough brains to allow them to pick sexuality and make informed decisions for crime and should be punished, or they can’t make mature, well informed decisions. Which is it? The hypocrisy is astounding. You can’t make this stuff up:

https://katv.com/news/nation-world/maryland-bill-would-prevent-anyone-under-25-from-being-charged-with-felony-murder-democratic-delegate-charlotte-cruchfield-justice-reform-youth-accountability-and-safety-act

You are factually wrong. They passed a law banning nurse practitioners from providing gender affirming care for anyone of any age. My friend is a 30 something adult trans woman and has no way of getting hormones right now other than the fact that she has a small amount saved up.

Show me where it is factually wrong. It’s for *minors*

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/florida-gov-desantis-signs-bills-targeting-drag-shows-trans-rights-and-care-for-transgender-children


You know, the same population of people Democrats tell is have undeveloped brains for making decisions wrt crime.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4050524-trans-adults-scramble-for-care-under-new-florida-law/

So there is no ban for adults. Did you even read your own link? That
Now for confirming my point.

It’s banned in practice, not in theory. They changed the laws about who could prescribe and three changed the litigation rules for malpractice claims related to gender affirming care. Malpractice insurers aren’t going to offer insurance if the liability risk lasts forever. So, they have, in practice, stopped doctors from being able to offer this care.

Why would any insurer back doctors who are performing experimental surgeries on people with a diagnosed mental condition? This is lobotomies all over again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am still waiting for evidence that conservatives are rolling back LGBTQ rights.

There are bills in most red states. Laws in many passed.

Yet you can't present any of them.

FL passed one that restricts gender affirming care from being provided by nurse practitioners even though 80% of the trans ppl in that state receive care from them. I have a trans friend that has had vaginoplasty and therefore no longer produces any testosterone in her body. Her provider told her that they cannot give her care any longer. Therefore she has no way of receiving hormones in her body.

FL blocked gender affirming care *for youth*. Way to leave out that critical aspect.

What I simply can not understand nor will I ever understand is the Democrat logic for crime stating that we need to be lenient on young criminals because youth have terrible decision making skills since the human adult brain does not fully develop until our 20s, yet here Democrats say youth below 18 have perfectly capable decision making skills regarding their sexuality and for making healthcare decisions that could permanently alter or harm their bodies.

You can’t have it both ways. Either minors have mature enough brains to allow them to pick sexuality and make informed decisions for crime and should be punished, or they can’t make mature, well informed decisions. Which is it? The hypocrisy is astounding. You can’t make this stuff up:

https://katv.com/news/nation-world/maryland-bill-would-prevent-anyone-under-25-from-being-charged-with-felony-murder-democratic-delegate-charlotte-cruchfield-justice-reform-youth-accountability-and-safety-act

You are factually wrong. They passed a law banning nurse practitioners from providing gender affirming care for anyone of any age. My friend is a 30 something adult trans woman and has no way of getting hormones right now other than the fact that she has a small amount saved up.

Show me where it is factually wrong. It’s for *minors*

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/florida-gov-desantis-signs-bills-targeting-drag-shows-trans-rights-and-care-for-transgender-children


You know, the same population of people Democrats tell is have undeveloped brains for making decisions wrt crime.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4050524-trans-adults-scramble-for-care-under-new-florida-law/

So there is no ban for adults. Did you even read your own link? That
Now for confirming my point.

It’s banned in practice, not in theory. They changed the laws about who could prescribe and three changed the litigation rules for malpractice claims related to gender affirming care. Malpractice insurers aren’t going to offer insurance if the liability risk lasts forever. So, they have, in practice, stopped doctors from being able to offer this care.

Why would any insurer back doctors who are performing experimental surgeries on people with a diagnosed mental condition? This is lobotomies all over again.

It isn't a lobotomy and adults have the bodily autonomy to transition if they want to. Why would anyone care what another adult does to their own body?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How far back?

1.Mind your own business but don't flaunt sexual activity in front of children. That goes for heterosexual and homosexual activity.
2. No transition for children. Some kids think they are superheroes. We don't let them jump off tall buildings to see if they can fly.
3. Don't call people bigots because they think kids should not have surgery a la Dr. Mengele.

When you say sh-- like this, comparing transition to a Nazi torture doctor, you are in fact a bigot.

This is probably not the place for explicit descriptions of the results and complications of bottom surgery, but I think it is extremely unfair to call someone a bigot for recoiling at the idea of it and at it being done to young people who often have a range of other psychological issues

Kids aren’t getting bottom surgery. People are losing their minds over social transitions and puberty blockers because they’re terrified they won’t be able to look at a person, and figure out what kind of genitalia they have. That’s creepy as hell. No one has the right to know what’s in someone else’s pants.

Your response is very disingenuous

I didn’t say kids were getting it - I said young people - stipulate a 20 year old then

People aren’t opposed to puberty blockers because they’re curious about what’s in anyone’s pants. They’re opposed because they haven’t really been studied long term, and the stuff about them being reversible increasingly appears to be marketing baloney.

A 20 year old is an adult. You're advocating restrictions on adults now. The very thing you or someone else like you is claiming states aren't doing while ignoring that FL is doing that by restricting cares to only MDs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How far back?

1.Mind your own business but don't flaunt sexual activity in front of children. That goes for heterosexual and homosexual activity.
2. No transition for children. Some kids think they are superheroes. We don't let them jump off tall buildings to see if they can fly.
3. Don't call people bigots because they think kids should not have surgery a la Dr. Mengele.

When you say sh-- like this, comparing transition to a Nazi torture doctor, you are in fact a bigot.

This is probably not the place for explicit descriptions of the results and complications of bottom surgery, but I think it is extremely unfair to call someone a bigot for recoiling at the idea of it and at it being done to young people who often have a range of other psychological issues

Kids aren’t getting bottom surgery. People are losing their minds over social transitions and puberty blockers because they’re terrified they won’t be able to look at a person, and figure out what kind of genitalia they have. That’s creepy as hell. No one has the right to know what’s in someone else’s pants.

It’s way more complicated than that. You think hormones therapies and gender changing drugs are risk free? No, when you mess with the endocrine system with growth hormones and other hormone regulating drugs, you heighten the risks for a slew of major health problems like cardiovascular disease to cancer to strokes.

Yet democrats want MINORs to make informed health decisions for elective procedures that could significantly harm their health in the future when democrats keep telling us those same minors have immature brains and not fully developed decision making skills when it comes to crime. It’s so, sooooooo hypocritical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How far back?

1.Mind your own business but don't flaunt sexual activity in front of children. That goes for heterosexual and homosexual activity.
2. No transition for children. Some kids think they are superheroes. We don't let them jump off tall buildings to see if they can fly.
3. Don't call people bigots because they think kids should not have surgery a la Dr. Mengele.

When you say sh-- like this, comparing transition to a Nazi torture doctor, you are in fact a bigot.

This is probably not the place for explicit descriptions of the results and complications of bottom surgery, but I think it is extremely unfair to call someone a bigot for recoiling at the idea of it and at it being done to young people who often have a range of other psychological issues

Kids aren’t getting bottom surgery. People are losing their minds over social transitions and puberty blockers because they’re terrified they won’t be able to look at a person, and figure out what kind of genitalia they have. That’s creepy as hell. No one has the right to know what’s in someone else’s pants.

It’s way more complicated than that. You think hormones therapies and gender changing drugs are risk free? No, when you mess with the endocrine system with growth hormones and other hormone regulating drugs, you heighten the risks for a slew of major health problems like cardiovascular disease to cancer to strokes.

Yet democrats want MINORs to make informed health decisions for elective procedures that could significantly harm their health in the future when democrats keep telling us those same minors have immature brains and not fully developed decision making skills when it comes to crime. It’s so, sooooooo hypocritical.

Minors aren't making decisions without their parent's agreeing to them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How far back?

1.Mind your own business but don't flaunt sexual activity in front of children. That goes for heterosexual and homosexual activity.
2. No transition for children. Some kids think they are superheroes. We don't let them jump off tall buildings to see if they can fly.
3. Don't call people bigots because they think kids should not have surgery a la Dr. Mengele.

When you say sh-- like this, comparing transition to a Nazi torture doctor, you are in fact a bigot.

This is probably not the place for explicit descriptions of the results and complications of bottom surgery, but I think it is extremely unfair to call someone a bigot for recoiling at the idea of it and at it being done to young people who often have a range of other psychological issues

Kids aren’t getting bottom surgery. People are losing their minds over social transitions and puberty blockers because they’re terrified they won’t be able to look at a person, and figure out what kind of genitalia they have. That’s creepy as hell. No one has the right to know what’s in someone else’s pants.

It’s way more complicated than that. You think hormones therapies and gender changing drugs are risk free? No, when you mess with the endocrine system with growth hormones and other hormone regulating drugs, you heighten the risks for a slew of major health problems like cardiovascular disease to cancer to strokes.

Yet democrats want MINORs to make informed health decisions for elective procedures that could significantly harm their health in the future when democrats keep telling us those same minors have immature brains and not fully developed decision making skills when it comes to crime. It’s so, sooooooo hypocritical.

Minors aren't making decisions without their parent's agreeing to them.

You haven’t been keeping up to date with what Democrats are pushing for. They want minors to be able to decide even without parents.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/transgender-minors-protected-from-estranged-parents-under-washington-law

https://www.kptv.com/2023/04/17/washington-bill-would-allow-transgender-medical-procedures-minors-without-parental-consent/

What could possibly go wrong with the same minors who make TikTok ideas eating Tide pods making decisions to take gender influencing drugs with significant side effects that heighten risks for major health issues over the long run?