Columbia permanently pulls out of US news

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia is by far the weirdest Ivy with the worst social life

Says a podunk grad who has never set a foot at a selective school.

Seriously, what is your beef with Algonquians?

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Anonymous wrote:It will be interesting to see how many other colleges and universities follow Columbia.
Colorado College and Bard also pulled out of the rankings

They are not pulling out of the rankings.
They refuse to provide data.
They'll be still ranked by available data.

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NP. Good. These ranking systems have always felt like protection rackets to me anyhow.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Good. These ranking systems have always felt like protection rackets to me anyhow.

Good that Columbia got caught cheating.

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Anonymous wrote:NYU maybe better than Columbia these days? I view them as peers, both good.

Why would anyone care how you view them?

It was a question for others.

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Anonymous wrote:NYU maybe better than Columbia these days? I view them as peers, both good.

Why would anyone care how you view them?

It was a question for others.

How others view it is probably the most important if the 'others' are the employers in the industries.

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Anonymous wrote:https://provost.columbia.edu/news/announcement-regarding-us-news-and-world-reports-undergraduate-survey

Columbia won’t be submitting data to US News. Will other colleges follow?

US News will likely continue to rank with what data they have.

I hope so. I could not care less about Columbia. But, this ranking has been a terrible thing for college admissions. It's a pox on all of us and the sooner it disappears, the better.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia GS undergrad enrollment (around 2000) is 33% of College+SEAS (around 6000). Columbia publishes 2 separate CDS: one combined College+SEAS and one for GS.

Harvard Extension School is 10% (around 700) of Harvard College (around 7000). Harvard appears only to publish one CDS for Harvard College.

This. Columbia University also includes undergrads from Barnard, but nobody seems to be asking that they be included. What's actually surprising is that, unlike Harvard which only includes Harvard College itself, Columbia has been including SEAS in its numbers even though SEAS is slightly easier to get into.

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I mean, I hate the USNWR rankings too and think they've been a bad thing for kids and schools.

But if this catches on, schools will be ranked on admissions rates alone. Already plenty of "Ivy Bound"-type websites compare admit rates, and you can be sure more will start doing it and they'll all amplify the rates. And kids and families going for "most competitive" will only look at admit rates.

I'm not sure that's a good thing.

* As far as Columbia goes, their admit rate was 3.9% last year. Harvard doesn't include its gen-ed program, and Cornell doesn't include schools like the hotel school which accepts 30% of applicants. So I'm not exactly clear why this is a Columbia problem.

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Cornell is ranked 17, 16, and 11 by USNews, Forbes, and WSJ respectively. Pretty respectable to me. Anyone knows if the Cornell Agriculture school is lumped in with the other Cornell schools for any of these rankings?

Cornell is hard to rank compared to its peers; its mission and course catalog is markedly broader as is its undergrad student size. The Ag (or hotel) school is just as good as the other schools and can be just as hard to get in - they are looking for different abilities. Cornell has significant global prestige. I think it is happy and probably not too concerned on where they are ranked.

This is true. Oddly enough, Cornell is often the one school outside the Big Three that laypeople will think of when asked about the Ivy League. I've found this to be the case not only domestically, but in parts of Europe and Asia as well.

I agree that Cornell has international prestige that some of the ivies just don't have. My British relatives, several of them Cambridge grads, have heard of HYP, Columbia and Cornell, but they've never heard of Brown. A lot of it has to do with being research institutions and the strength of research done.

But, lots of Cornell schools aren't included in the USNWR rankings. Admits for Cornell Arts & Sciences are 7-9%. But the hotel school admits 30% and the School of Human Ecology accepts 23%. If USNWR is going to include all undergrad bodies in the rankings, and I'm not saying they shouldn't, then they need to be consistent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia GS undergrad enrollment (around 2000) is 33% of College+SEAS (around 6000). Columbia publishes 2 separate CDS: one combined College+SEAS and one for GS.

Harvard Extension School is 10% (around 700) of Harvard College (around 7000). Harvard appears only to publish one CDS for Harvard College.

This. Columbia University also includes undergrads from Barnard, but nobody seems to be asking that they be included. What's actually surprising is that, unlike Harvard which only includes Harvard College itself, Columbia has been including SEAS in its numbers even though SEAS is slightly easier to get into.

Barnard is an affiliated school with separate admissions and financial aid. Students at Barnard and Columbia are allowed to cross register for classes, use each other facilities including dining and residential halls, and Barnard students compete on Columbia teams. Given their separate admissions and financial aid, having separate CDS makes perfect sense.

People are misunderstanding what will happen. Columbia will continue to be ranked, however, US News will just use publicly-available information for its data collection. Because US News wants schools to provide this data directly to them, US News will penalize those schools not complying by using the data in a light least favorable to those schools, which was the case for Columbia's drop in ranking last year.

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This is not the first or the last time people question the rankings. They've been around for decades and aren't going anywhere. I'm excited to see them out of the T20, they deserve it.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Cornell is ranked 17, 16, and 11 by USNews, Forbes, and WSJ respectively. Pretty respectable to me. Anyone knows if the Cornell Agriculture school is lumped in with the other Cornell schools for any of these rankings?

Cornell is hard to rank compared to its peers; its mission and course catalog is markedly broader as is its undergrad student size. The Ag (or hotel) school is just as good as the other schools and can be just as hard to get in - they are looking for different abilities. Cornell has significant global prestige. I think it is happy and probably not too concerned on where they are ranked.

This is true. Oddly enough, Cornell is often the one school outside the Big Three that laypeople will think of when asked about the Ivy League. I've found this to be the case not only domestically, but in parts of Europe and Asia as well.

I agree that Cornell has international prestige that some of the ivies just don't have. My British relatives, several of them Cambridge grads, have heard of HYP, Columbia and Cornell, but they've never heard of Brown. A lot of it has to do with being research institutions and the strength of research done.

But, lots of Cornell schools aren't included in the USNWR rankings. Admits for Cornell Arts & Sciences are 7-9%. But the hotel school admits 30% and the School of Human Ecology accepts 23%. If USNWR is going to include all undergrad bodies in the rankings, and I'm not saying they shouldn't, then they need to be consistent.

Not sure where you're getting 30% from for hotel school or the supposition that certain colleges are omitted from USNWR. Cornell prepares one common data set despite varying independent admissions across its 8 colleges.
https://irp.dpb.cornell.edu/university-factbook/undergraduate-admissions

ILR 18.2%
Hotel 16.5%
Human Ecology 15.7%
CALS (Ag) 12.9%
Architecture 8.1%
Engineering 6.1%
Arts and Science 5.4%
Dyson 4.2%

for a blended 7.3%. Its yield at 68.4% is outstanding

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Anonymous wrote:This is not the first or the last time people question the rankings. They've been around for decades and aren't going anywhere. I'm excited to see them out of the T20, they deserve it.

Lol, PP would give an arm/leg for a chance to be a parent alum.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not the first or the last time people question the rankings. They've been around for decades and aren't going anywhere. I'm excited to see them out of the T20, they deserve it.

Lol, PP would give an arm/leg for a chance to be a parent alum.

+1 on the lol. How did Columbia hurt pp?