TJ Students by FCPS Pyramid 2022-23

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Re: #2 … we would not have accepted the invitation to attend TJ (or likely applied at all) if it was a part time model. It is the fact that TJ is the kid’s school community that makes it work and be positive.

Would you explain this in more detail?

DD is a shy and self conscious kid. By 8th she finally made some friends at her MS (literally had none there for 7th over Covid) but still was very reluctant to try things like clubs or being more vocal in class. She has absolutely blossomed at TJ. It feels like a huge crop of kids that are more similar to her and so as a result she feels comfortable speaking up more, making friends, being active in the school community. And TJ has a ton of school spirit which is fun for the kids to experience.

If she were instead simply shipping out every other day and so split in half between TJ and her base school it would be like 8th grade or worse I think because it would be very hard for her to make and maintain any TJ friends without TJ extracurriculars. Also how would a kid do after school stuff like sports or band, etc that require practice every day immediately after the bell? We would have had zero interest in a part time program as to us the fact that the course work is challenging is only part of what we like about TJ. Honestly what I like the MOST by far about my kid going there is that she feels she’s found her “tribe”, she seems more confident and it feels like a spot that just fits really well re: school community. It’s these soft “feel of the place” reasons that have me deeply grateful she was able to go - regardless of what her course load looks like.

TJ can be over the top. If you just happen to be there for some event people will say “Welcome to TJ” like you’ve booked a room at some luxury hotel, and of course they say the school’s full name repeatedly when a simple “TJ” might suffice.

It’s great that a wider range of county residents can now partake in this theme park silliness and boast about finding their “people” or their “tribe.” Because they’d just be so lost if they had to be surrounded by kids who didn’t get in there.

Go away Debbie Downer. My DS graduated from TJ recently and I completely agree with the PP's description. There are many positive things about TJ aside form academics - anyone can join any club, sport team, band, orchestra etc., great school spirit, no bullying, virtually no worshiping of few athletes, good balance between academic/ECs, 8th period, great teachers, making connections for life etc.

Segregation is great as long as it’s the type that advantages your kid, right?

TJ has long been a cancer on FCPS; now it’s just getting a few more Black, Hispanic or poor kids to make it more palatable.

TJ has been a 'Jewel' of fcps and the school board has been a 'cancer' for the system hampering and attacking the jewel of the system to pander for votes. Disgusting and shameful.

Just the opposite is true. The school board attempted to right decades of systemic racial inequality with the gamed admissions where rich families were buying their way in.

So true, but there are parents who were fine with cheating or doing pretty much whatever it took to get their kids in. They could care less about equal opportunity.

Those parents are idiots who sabotaged their own kids. It is never advantageous to set your kid up to be in the bottom half or even bottom quarter of TJ. Those kids would have had a better high school experience and better college outcomes in their base school.

True, but with the new system they only take very top kids from each school. Many of those kids who struggled were third rate preppers who couldn't cut it once they were in. The newer students may not have had as much outside enrichment but seem to pick things up more quickly and are more resilient.

This is not observation, just PR.

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Re: #2 … we would not have accepted the invitation to attend TJ (or likely applied at all) if it was a part time model. It is the fact that TJ is the kid’s school community that makes it work and be positive.

Would you explain this in more detail?

DD is a shy and self conscious kid. By 8th she finally made some friends at her MS (literally had none there for 7th over Covid) but still was very reluctant to try things like clubs or being more vocal in class. She has absolutely blossomed at TJ. It feels like a huge crop of kids that are more similar to her and so as a result she feels comfortable speaking up more, making friends, being active in the school community. And TJ has a ton of school spirit which is fun for the kids to experience.

If she were instead simply shipping out every other day and so split in half between TJ and her base school it would be like 8th grade or worse I think because it would be very hard for her to make and maintain any TJ friends without TJ extracurriculars. Also how would a kid do after school stuff like sports or band, etc that require practice every day immediately after the bell? We would have had zero interest in a part time program as to us the fact that the course work is challenging is only part of what we like about TJ. Honestly what I like the MOST by far about my kid going there is that she feels she’s found her “tribe”, she seems more confident and it feels like a spot that just fits really well re: school community. It’s these soft “feel of the place” reasons that have me deeply grateful she was able to go - regardless of what her course load looks like.

TJ can be over the top. If you just happen to be there for some event people will say “Welcome to TJ” like you’ve booked a room at some luxury hotel, and of course they say the school’s full name repeatedly when a simple “TJ” might suffice.

It’s great that a wider range of county residents can now partake in this theme park silliness and boast about finding their “people” or their “tribe.” Because they’d just be so lost if they had to be surrounded by kids who didn’t get in there.

Go away Debbie Downer. My DS graduated from TJ recently and I completely agree with the PP's description. There are many positive things about TJ aside form academics - anyone can join any club, sport team, band, orchestra etc., great school spirit, no bullying, virtually no worshiping of few athletes, good balance between academic/ECs, 8th period, great teachers, making connections for life etc.

Segregation is great as long as it’s the type that advantages your kid, right?

TJ has long been a cancer on FCPS; now it’s just getting a few more Black, Hispanic or poor kids to make it more palatable.

TJ has been a 'Jewel' of fcps and the school board has been a 'cancer' for the system hampering and attacking the jewel of the system to pander for votes. Disgusting and shameful.

Just the opposite is true. The school board attempted to right decades of systemic racial inequality with the gamed admissions where rich families were buying their way in.

So true, but there are parents who were fine with cheating or doing pretty much whatever it took to get their kids in. They could care less about equal opportunity.

Those parents are idiots who sabotaged their own kids. It is never advantageous to set your kid up to be in the bottom half or even bottom quarter of TJ. Those kids would have had a better high school experience and better college outcomes in their base school.

True, but with the new system they only take very top kids from each school. Many of those kids who struggled were third rate preppers who couldn't cut it once they were in. The newer students may not have had as much outside enrichment but seem to pick things up more quickly and are more resilient.

This is not observation, just PR.

Honey, none of this is observation. It's all PR. Or BS.

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True, but with the new system they only take very top kids from each school. Many of those kids who struggled were third rate preppers who couldn't cut it once they were in. The newer students may not have had as much outside enrichment but seem to pick things up more quickly and are more resilient.

These would be the students that didn't bother to show up for tutoring for the math class they were having so much trouble with? The ones to whom the teachers wrote a letter complaining about there poor performance?

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True, but with the new system they only take very top kids from each school. Many of those kids who struggled were third rate preppers who couldn't cut it once they were in. The newer students may not have had as much outside enrichment but seem to pick things up more quickly and are more resilient.

These would be the students that didn't bother to show up for tutoring for the math class they were having so much trouble with? The ones to whom the teachers wrote a letter complaining about there poor performance?

Not sure what you're going on about, but am talking about the kids that after having $20k in prep courses lavished on them still couldn't slay the admission test in the old system.

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True, but with the new system they only take very top kids from each school. Many of those kids who struggled were third rate preppers who couldn't cut it once they were in. The newer students may not have had as much outside enrichment but seem to pick things up more quickly and are more resilient.

These would be the students that didn't bother to show up for tutoring for the math class they were having so much trouble with? The ones to whom the teachers wrote a letter complaining about there poor performance?

Not sure what you're going on about, but am talking about the kids that after having $20k in prep courses lavished on them still couldn't slay the admission test in the old system.

Well, those were thankfully not admitted so great and no skin off your nose.

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True, but with the new system they only take very top kids from each school. Many of those kids who struggled were third rate preppers who couldn't cut it once they were in. The newer students may not have had as much outside enrichment but seem to pick things up more quickly and are more resilient.

These would be the students that didn't bother to show up for tutoring for the math class they were having so much trouble with? The ones to whom the teachers wrote a letter complaining about there poor performance?

I thought those kids were mostly Class of 2024, not Class of 2025.

Most likely with the newer, watered-down classes the teachers will be instructed not to challenge the kids that much in the first instance. FCPS has a lot invested in proclaiming the “success” of the kids admitted under the new system. Whether the rigor diminishes doesn’t really matter to them.

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True, but with the new system they only take very top kids from each school. Many of those kids who struggled were third rate preppers who couldn't cut it once they were in. The newer students may not have had as much outside enrichment but seem to pick things up more quickly and are more resilient.

These would be the students that didn't bother to show up for tutoring for the math class they were having so much trouble with? The ones to whom the teachers wrote a letter complaining about there poor performance?

I thought those kids were mostly Class of 2024, not Class of 2025.

Most likely with the newer, watered-down classes the teachers will be instructed not to challenge the kids that much in the first instance. FCPS has a lot invested in proclaiming the “success” of the kids admitted under the new system. Whether the rigor diminishes doesn’t really matter to them.

Many of those new students failed out for failing to meet the minimum 3.0 unweighted gpa requirement.

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True, but with the new system they only take very top kids from each school. Many of those kids who struggled were third rate preppers who couldn't cut it once they were in. The newer students may not have had as much outside enrichment but seem to pick things up more quickly and are more resilient.

These would be the students that didn't bother to show up for tutoring for the math class they were having so much trouble with? The ones to whom the teachers wrote a letter complaining about there poor performance?

I thought those kids were mostly Class of 2024, not Class of 2025.

Most likely with the newer, watered-down classes the teachers will be instructed not to challenge the kids that much in the first instance. FCPS has a lot invested in proclaiming the “success” of the kids admitted under the new system. Whether the rigor diminishes doesn’t really matter to them.

Many of those new students failed out for failing to meet the minimum 3.0 unweighted gpa requirement.

#? Is this data published somewhere?

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True, but with the new system they only take very top kids from each school. Many of those kids who struggled were third rate preppers who couldn't cut it once they were in. The newer students may not have had as much outside enrichment but seem to pick things up more quickly and are more resilient.

These would be the students that didn't bother to show up for tutoring for the math class they were having so much trouble with? The ones to whom the teachers wrote a letter complaining about there poor performance?

I thought those kids were mostly Class of 2024, not Class of 2025.

Most likely with the newer, watered-down classes the teachers will be instructed not to challenge the kids that much in the first instance. FCPS has a lot invested in proclaiming the “success” of the kids admitted under the new system. Whether the rigor diminishes doesn’t really matter to them.

Many of those new students failed out for failing to meet the minimum 3.0 unweighted gpa requirement.

#? Is this data published somewhere?

I heard they almost did as badly as the 2nd rate preppers who got in on the old system when there was rampant cheating even.

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True, but with the new system they only take very top kids from each school. Many of those kids who struggled were third rate preppers who couldn't cut it once they were in. The newer students may not have had as much outside enrichment but seem to pick things up more quickly and are more resilient.

These would be the students that didn't bother to show up for tutoring for the math class they were having so much trouble with? The ones to whom the teachers wrote a letter complaining about there poor performance?

I thought those kids were mostly Class of 2024, not Class of 2025.

Most likely with the newer, watered-down classes the teachers will be instructed not to challenge the kids that much in the first instance. FCPS has a lot invested in proclaiming the “success” of the kids admitted under the new system. Whether the rigor diminishes doesn’t really matter to them.

Many of those new students failed out for failing to meet the minimum 3.0 unweighted gpa requirement.

#? Is this data published somewhere?

I heard they almost did as badly as the 2nd rate preppers who got in on the old system when there was rampant cheating even.

Only about 1-2% transferred out under the old system but that number increased significantly after the admissions system was changed.

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True, but with the new system they only take very top kids from each school. Many of those kids who struggled were third rate preppers who couldn't cut it once they were in. The newer students may not have had as much outside enrichment but seem to pick things up more quickly and are more resilient.

These would be the students that didn't bother to show up for tutoring for the math class they were having so much trouble with? The ones to whom the teachers wrote a letter complaining about there poor performance?

I thought those kids were mostly Class of 2024, not Class of 2025.

Most likely with the newer, watered-down classes the teachers will be instructed not to challenge the kids that much in the first instance. FCPS has a lot invested in proclaiming the “success” of the kids admitted under the new system. Whether the rigor diminishes doesn’t really matter to them.

Many of those new students failed out for failing to meet the minimum 3.0 unweighted gpa requirement.

#? Is this data published somewhere?

I heard they almost did as badly as the 2nd rate preppers who got in on the old system when there was rampant cheating even.

Only about 1-2% transferred out under the old system but that number increased significantly after the admissions system was changed.

It's probably why they increased the size of the entering classes. Kids leave and no one notices because the overall class sizes are still larger than 5-10 years ago.

Seems like the kids who "fail out" were just collateral damage for the woke School Board that thought they'd benefit politically by paving the way for unqualified kids to attend TJ.

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True, but with the new system they only take very top kids from each school. Many of those kids who struggled were third rate preppers who couldn't cut it once they were in. The newer students may not have had as much outside enrichment but seem to pick things up more quickly and are more resilient.

These would be the students that didn't bother to show up for tutoring for the math class they were having so much trouble with? The ones to whom the teachers wrote a letter complaining about there poor performance?

I thought those kids were mostly Class of 2024, not Class of 2025.

Most likely with the newer, watered-down classes the teachers will be instructed not to challenge the kids that much in the first instance. FCPS has a lot invested in proclaiming the “success” of the kids admitted under the new system. Whether the rigor diminishes doesn’t really matter to them.

Many of those new students failed out for failing to meet the minimum 3.0 unweighted gpa requirement.

#? Is this data published somewhere?

I heard they almost did as badly as the 2nd rate preppers who got in on the old system when there was rampant cheating even.

Only about 1-2% transferred out under the old system but that number increased significantly after the admissions system was changed.

It's probably why they increased the size of the entering classes. Kids leave and no one notices because the overall class sizes are still larger than 5-10 years ago.

Seems like the kids who "fail out" were just collateral damage for the woke School Board that thought they'd benefit politically by paving the way for unqualified kids to attend TJ.

Checkout this thread from the Colleges/Universities about how freshmen are on the verge of failing out because they received 4.0 - 4.5 GPAs from high schools that did not adequately prepared them for college. Similar situation w/ unprepared kids with inflated gpas failing out of TJ.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1099070.page

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True, but with the new system they only take very top kids from each school. Many of those kids who struggled were third rate preppers who couldn't cut it once they were in. The newer students may not have had as much outside enrichment but seem to pick things up more quickly and are more resilient.

These would be the students that didn't bother to show up for tutoring for the math class they were having so much trouble with? The ones to whom the teachers wrote a letter complaining about there poor performance?

I thought those kids were mostly Class of 2024, not Class of 2025.

Most likely with the newer, watered-down classes the teachers will be instructed not to challenge the kids that much in the first instance. FCPS has a lot invested in proclaiming the “success” of the kids admitted under the new system. Whether the rigor diminishes doesn’t really matter to them.

Many of those new students failed out for failing to meet the minimum 3.0 unweighted gpa requirement.

#? Is this data published somewhere?

I heard they almost did as badly as the 2nd rate preppers who got in on the old system when there was rampant cheating even.

Only about 1-2% transferred out under the old system but that number increased significantly after the admissions system was changed.

I think the new approach draws in more kids who were not "TJ or die" mentality. Given that, they're more open to transferring back to their home school if they aren't enjoying the TJ experience, regardless of whether they can "hack it" or not academically if they really put their mind to it. I think that's a good thing. My family definitely went into acceptance with the mentality that there's no harm in giving it a shot & seeing if it's a good fit & if not then going back to our home school. For families that were super driven to get into TJ in comparison, i think transferring out would be viewed very differently.

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True, but with the new system they only take very top kids from each school. Many of those kids who struggled were third rate preppers who couldn't cut it once they were in. The newer students may not have had as much outside enrichment but seem to pick things up more quickly and are more resilient.

These would be the students that didn't bother to show up for tutoring for the math class they were having so much trouble with? The ones to whom the teachers wrote a letter complaining about there poor performance?

I thought those kids were mostly Class of 2024, not Class of 2025.

Most likely with the newer, watered-down classes the teachers will be instructed not to challenge the kids that much in the first instance. FCPS has a lot invested in proclaiming the “success” of the kids admitted under the new system. Whether the rigor diminishes doesn’t really matter to them.

Many of those new students failed out for failing to meet the minimum 3.0 unweighted gpa requirement.

#? Is this data published somewhere?

I heard they almost did as badly as the 2nd rate preppers who got in on the old system when there was rampant cheating even.

Only about 1-2% transferred out under the old system but that number increased significantly after the admissions system was changed.

It's probably why they increased the size of the entering classes. Kids leave and no one notices because the overall class sizes are still larger than 5-10 years ago.

Seems like the kids who "fail out" were just collateral damage for the woke School Board that thought they'd benefit politically by paving the way for unqualified kids to attend TJ.

Seems like that's way down from before. I mean there were so many average kids getting in who after years of prep tested gifted but couldn't really cut it but at least now it's the top kids who are well the best.

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True, but with the new system they only take very top kids from each school. Many of those kids who struggled were third rate preppers who couldn't cut it once they were in. The newer students may not have had as much outside enrichment but seem to pick things up more quickly and are more resilient.

These would be the students that didn't bother to show up for tutoring for the math class they were having so much trouble with? The ones to whom the teachers wrote a letter complaining about there poor performance?

I thought those kids were mostly Class of 2024, not Class of 2025.

Most likely with the newer, watered-down classes the teachers will be instructed not to challenge the kids that much in the first instance. FCPS has a lot invested in proclaiming the “success” of the kids admitted under the new system. Whether the rigor diminishes doesn’t really matter to them.

Many of those new students failed out for failing to meet the minimum 3.0 unweighted gpa requirement.

#? Is this data published somewhere?

I heard they almost did as badly as the 2nd rate preppers who got in on the old system when there was rampant cheating even.

Only about 1-2% transferred out under the old system but that number increased significantly after the admissions system was changed.

That's not what I heard. In fact, I was told it was the complete opposite. Do you have any actual proof of this or is this just your speculation to suit your personal bias?