TJ Students by FCPS Pyramid 2022-23

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True, but with the new system they only take very top kids from each school. Many of those kids who struggled were third rate preppers who couldn't cut it once they were in. The newer students may not have had as much outside enrichment but seem to pick things up more quickly and are more resilient.

These would be the students that didn't bother to show up for tutoring for the math class they were having so much trouble with? The ones to whom the teachers wrote a letter complaining about there poor performance?

I thought those kids were mostly Class of 2024, not Class of 2025.

Most likely with the newer, watered-down classes the teachers will be instructed not to challenge the kids that much in the first instance. FCPS has a lot invested in proclaiming the “success” of the kids admitted under the new system. Whether the rigor diminishes doesn’t really matter to them.

Many of those new students failed out for failing to meet the minimum 3.0 unweighted gpa requirement.

#? Is this data published somewhere?

I heard they almost did as badly as the 2nd rate preppers who got in on the old system when there was rampant cheating even.

Only about 1-2% transferred out under the old system but that number increased significantly after the admissions system was changed.

That's not what I heard. In fact, I was told it was the complete opposite. Do you have any actual proof of this or is this just your speculation to suit your personal bias?

Well, it's true that many of the kids who were getting in with the old system were only admitted by cheating.

Very few if any cheated to gain admission prior to the admission changes were made.

Over a 3rd went to one prep center that was known to expose them to actual questions. It is likely far more widespread so your statement is implausible.

Some may have seen similar questions which happens in all prep centers for almost all kinds of exams.

Yes, especially since they were interviewing people who had taken the test to make that happen. Anyway, more than half the kids who got in had access to the answers.

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Yes, especially since they were interviewing people who had taken the test to make that happen.

You know this how?

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True, but with the new system they only take very top kids from each school. Many of those kids who struggled were third rate preppers who couldn't cut it once they were in. The newer students may not have had as much outside enrichment but seem to pick things up more quickly and are more resilient.

These would be the students that didn't bother to show up for tutoring for the math class they were having so much trouble with? The ones to whom the teachers wrote a letter complaining about there poor performance?

I thought those kids were mostly Class of 2024, not Class of 2025.

Most likely with the newer, watered-down classes the teachers will be instructed not to challenge the kids that much in the first instance. FCPS has a lot invested in proclaiming the “success” of the kids admitted under the new system. Whether the rigor diminishes doesn’t really matter to them.

Many of those new students failed out for failing to meet the minimum 3.0 unweighted gpa requirement.

#? Is this data published somewhere?

I heard they almost did as badly as the 2nd rate preppers who got in on the old system when there was rampant cheating even.

Only about 1-2% transferred out under the old system but that number increased significantly after the admissions system was changed.

That's not what I heard. In fact, I was told it was the complete opposite. Do you have any actual proof of this or is this just your speculation to suit your personal bias?

Well, it's true that many of the kids who were getting in with the old system were only admitted by cheating.

Very few if any cheated to gain admission prior to the admission changes were made.

Over a 3rd went to one prep center that was known to expose them to actual questions. It is likely far more widespread so your statement is implausible.

Some may have seen similar questions which happens in all prep centers for almost all kinds of exams.

Yes, especially since they were interviewing people who had taken the test to make that happen. Anyway, more than half the kids who got in had access to the answers.

There were so many reports by kids claiming to have seen the same questions on the test that seems likely and yes 30% of those who got in were from just one of many prep centers but the actual number is more like 90%. Kids who can't afford prep or just didn't bother really had slim odds of admission back then.

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True, but with the new system they only take very top kids from each school. Many of those kids who struggled were third rate preppers who couldn't cut it once they were in. The newer students may not have had as much outside enrichment but seem to pick things up more quickly and are more resilient.

These would be the students that didn't bother to show up for tutoring for the math class they were having so much trouble with? The ones to whom the teachers wrote a letter complaining about there poor performance?

I thought those kids were mostly Class of 2024, not Class of 2025.

Most likely with the newer, watered-down classes the teachers will be instructed not to challenge the kids that much in the first instance. FCPS has a lot invested in proclaiming the “success” of the kids admitted under the new system. Whether the rigor diminishes doesn’t really matter to them.

Many of those new students failed out for failing to meet the minimum 3.0 unweighted gpa requirement.

#? Is this data published somewhere?

I heard they almost did as badly as the 2nd rate preppers who got in on the old system when there was rampant cheating even.

Only about 1-2% transferred out under the old system but that number increased significantly after the admissions system was changed.

That's not what I heard. In fact, I was told it was the complete opposite. Do you have any actual proof of this or is this just your speculation to suit your personal bias?

Well, it's true that many of the kids who were getting in with the old system were only admitted by cheating.

Very few if any cheated to gain admission prior to the admission changes were made.

Over a 3rd went to one prep center that was known to expose them to actual questions. It is likely far more widespread so your statement is implausible.

Some may have seen similar questions which happens in all prep centers for almost all kinds of exams.

Yes, especially since they were interviewing people who had taken the test to make that happen. Anyway, more than half the kids who got in had access to the answers.

There were so many reports by kids claiming to have seen the same questions on the test that seems likely and yes 30% of those who got in were from just one of many prep centers but the actual number is more like 90%. Kids who can't afford prep or just didn't bother really had slim odds of admission back then.

'Seems likely' which was declared as fact, and now you are making up a new 'fact' of 90%.

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True, but with the new system they only take very top kids from each school. Many of those kids who struggled were third rate preppers who couldn't cut it once they were in. The newer students may not have had as much outside enrichment but seem to pick things up more quickly and are more resilient.

These would be the students that didn't bother to show up for tutoring for the math class they were having so much trouble with? The ones to whom the teachers wrote a letter complaining about there poor performance?

I thought those kids were mostly Class of 2024, not Class of 2025.

Most likely with the newer, watered-down classes the teachers will be instructed not to challenge the kids that much in the first instance. FCPS has a lot invested in proclaiming the “success” of the kids admitted under the new system. Whether the rigor diminishes doesn’t really matter to them.

Many of those new students failed out for failing to meet the minimum 3.0 unweighted gpa requirement.

#? Is this data published somewhere?

I heard they almost did as badly as the 2nd rate preppers who got in on the old system when there was rampant cheating even.

Only about 1-2% transferred out under the old system but that number increased significantly after the admissions system was changed.

That's not what I heard. In fact, I was told it was the complete opposite. Do you have any actual proof of this or is this just your speculation to suit your personal bias?

Well, it's true that many of the kids who were getting in with the old system were only admitted by cheating.

Very few if any cheated to gain admission prior to the admission changes were made.

Over a 3rd went to one prep center that was known to expose them to actual questions. It is likely far more widespread so your statement is implausible.

Some may have seen similar questions which happens in all prep centers for almost all kinds of exams.

Yes, especially since they were interviewing people who had taken the test to make that happen. Anyway, more than half the kids who got in had access to the answers.

There were so many reports by kids claiming to have seen the same questions on the test that seems likely and yes 30% of those who got in were from just one of many prep centers but the actual number is more like 90%. Kids who can't afford prep or just didn't bother really had slim odds of admission back then.

Definitely! My neighbor swears by how great a job the prep center did exposing them to the test questions ahead of time. Says it was worth every last nickel since their DC got in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:According to data recently posted by FCPS, each of the 24 other high school pyramids is now sending more than 10 kids to TJ, two years into the admissions changes, but there are still some big differences:

Chantilly 145
McLean 139
Langley 137
Oakton 113
Westfield 86
Woodson 72
Madison 57
Centreville 55
Annandale 53
Fairfax 52
Marshall 52
South Lakes 47
Robinson 45
West Springfield 39
Falls Church 31
Lewis 30
Lake Braddock 28
South County 28
Hayfield 27
Herndon 27
Edison 25
West Potomac 25
Justice 18
Mount Vernon 14

Note - These numbers include students whose families moved into a school district after their kids were admitted to TJ. TJ physically now sits within the Annandale HS district.

There is only one MS in McleanPyramid (or any other pyramids as a fact). So that school sent 139students to TJ for the year 2022-2023 i.e. Freshman 9th grade?

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Anonymous wrote:According to data recently posted by FCPS, each of the 24 other high school pyramids is now sending more than 10 kids to TJ, two years into the admissions changes, but there are still some big differences:

Chantilly 145
McLean 139
Langley 137
Oakton 113
Westfield 86
Woodson 72
Madison 57
Centreville 55
Annandale 53
Fairfax 52
Marshall 52
South Lakes 47
Robinson 45
West Springfield 39
Falls Church 31
Lewis 30
Lake Braddock 28
South County 28
Hayfield 27
Herndon 27
Edison 25
West Potomac 25
Justice 18
Mount Vernon 14

Note - These numbers include students whose families moved into a school district after their kids were admitted to TJ. TJ physically now sits within the Annandale HS district.

There is only one MS in McleanPyramid (or any other pyramids as a fact). So that school sent 139students to TJ for the year 2022-2023 i.e. Freshman 9th grade?

If you do the math, those numbers are for all of TJ, not just one grade.

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Anonymous wrote:According to data recently posted by FCPS, each of the 24 other high school pyramids is now sending more than 10 kids to TJ, two years into the admissions changes, but there are still some big differences:

Chantilly 145
McLean 139
Langley 137
Oakton 113
Westfield 86
Woodson 72
Madison 57
Centreville 55
Annandale 53
Fairfax 52
Marshall 52
South Lakes 47
Robinson 45
West Springfield 39
Falls Church 31
Lewis 30
Lake Braddock 28
South County 28
Hayfield 27
Herndon 27
Edison 25
West Potomac 25
Justice 18
Mount Vernon 14

Note - These numbers include students whose families moved into a school district after their kids were admitted to TJ. TJ physically now sits within the Annandale HS district.

There is only one MS in McleanPyramid (or any other pyramids as a fact). So that school sent 139students to TJ for the year 2022-2023 i.e. Freshman 9th grade?

If you do the math, those numbers are for all of TJ, not just one grade.

Thanks. It adds up to 1345. So from 9-12th garde there are only 1355 students in TJ? I thought Freshman alone had 500 seats.

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Anonymous wrote:According to data recently posted by FCPS, each of the 24 other high school pyramids is now sending more than 10 kids to TJ, two years into the admissions changes, but there are still some big differences:

Chantilly 145
McLean 139
Langley 137
Oakton 113
Westfield 86
Woodson 72
Madison 57
Centreville 55
Annandale 53
Fairfax 52
Marshall 52
South Lakes 47
Robinson 45
West Springfield 39
Falls Church 31
Lewis 30
Lake Braddock 28
South County 28
Hayfield 27
Herndon 27
Edison 25
West Potomac 25
Justice 18
Mount Vernon 14

Note - These numbers include students whose families moved into a school district after their kids were admitted to TJ. TJ physically now sits within the Annandale HS district.

There is only one MS in McleanPyramid (or any other pyramids as a fact). So that school sent 139students to TJ for the year 2022-2023 i.e. Freshman 9th grade?

If you do the math, those numbers are for all of TJ, not just one grade.

Thanks. It adds up to 1345. So from 9-12th garde there are only 1355 students in TJ? I thought Freshman alone had 500 seats.

Lots of non-FCPS students at TJ…

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PP is correct. The 139 students referenced are all the current TJ students in grades 9-12 who live within the McLean district but attend TJ. It's based on their current addresses and doesn't mean they attended elementary or middle school in the McLean pyramid.

And the 1345 is the total for students in grades 9-12 who live within Fairfax County but attend TJ. TJ also has students from other jurisdictions (Arlington, Falls Church City, Loudoun, Prince William).