TJ Students by FCPS Pyramid 2022-23

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Anonymous wrote:Is the pyramid the home pyramid or the pyramid of the middle school attended? E.g. students who attend LBSS for AAP middle but Irving is the their home middle school (with West Springfield their home pyramid). Are they counted in the Lake Braddock pyramid or West Springfield?

TJ students are selected based on middle school attended, so where they go for AAP, rather than home middle school.

Yes but this data is based on high school transferred out of, not middle school previously attended.

Correct. The PP was asking about this data. FCPS has separately released information on the number of kids admitted to TJ from different middle schools (or at least those with 10 or more admitted students) for particular classes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the pyramid the home pyramid or the pyramid of the middle school attended? E.g. students who attend LBSS for AAP middle but Irving is the their home middle school (with West Springfield their home pyramid). Are they counted in the Lake Braddock pyramid or West Springfield?

TJ students are selected based on middle school attended, so where they go for AAP, rather than home middle school.

Yes but this data is based on high school transferred out of, not middle school previously attended.

Correct. The PP was asking about this data. FCPS has separately released information on the number of kids admitted to TJ from different middle schools (or at least those with 10 or more admitted students) for particular classes.

I'm a different poster and this data combined with the high school data shows how some middle schools are favored, not high schools/pyramids. I used Centreville as an example because it only has two feeder schools - however, less than 10 come from liberty and over 40 come from rocky run.

I hope FCPS provides the AAP data as they've done in previous years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the pyramid the home pyramid or the pyramid of the middle school attended? E.g. students who attend LBSS for AAP middle but Irving is the their home middle school (with West Springfield their home pyramid). Are they counted in the Lake Braddock pyramid or West Springfield?

TJ students are selected based on middle school attended, so where they go for AAP, rather than home middle school.

Yes but this data is based on high school transferred out of, not middle school previously attended.

Correct. The PP was asking about this data. FCPS has separately released information on the number of kids admitted to TJ from different middle schools (or at least those with 10 or more admitted students) for particular classes.

I'm a different poster and this data combined with the high school data shows how some middle schools are favored, not high schools/pyramids. I used Centreville as an example because it only has two feeder schools - however, less than 10 come from liberty and over 40 come from rocky run.

I hope FCPS provides the AAP data as they've done in previous years.

So kids from Rocky Run get much better odds!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the pyramid the home pyramid or the pyramid of the middle school attended? E.g. students who attend LBSS for AAP middle but Irving is the their home middle school (with West Springfield their home pyramid). Are they counted in the Lake Braddock pyramid or West Springfield?

TJ students are selected based on middle school attended, so where they go for AAP, rather than home middle school.

Yes but this data is based on high school transferred out of, not middle school previously attended.

Correct. The PP was asking about this data. FCPS has separately released information on the number of kids admitted to TJ from different middle schools (or at least those with 10 or more admitted students) for particular classes.

I'm a different poster and this data combined with the high school data shows how some middle schools are favored, not high schools/pyramids. I used Centreville as an example because it only has two feeder schools - however, less than 10 come from liberty and over 40 come from rocky run.

I hope FCPS provides the AAP data as they've done in previous years.

So kids from Rocky Run get much better odds!

I don't believe that's true. Maybe from a pure percentage of student population standpoint, but Rocky Run being an LIV Center School, the potential pool of strong candidates (having gone through the LIV courses) is much larger.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like my kid can still get in via the automatic 5%. At least it appears that they're making an effort to serve the whole county now.

Agree it's better than just serving the families likely to invest heavy in prep but they need to set an upper bound too. Too many seats going to a handful of wealthy schools is not great.

I seriously doubt GPA 3.95 in some low represented county MS is same as getting GPA of 3.95 in Carson etc. I see these differences even in MS AAP school where feeder local AAP school student level of undertsanding is quiet low compare to student from center AAP schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like my kid can still get in via the automatic 5%. At least it appears that they're making an effort to serve the whole county now.

Agree it's better than just serving the families likely to invest heavy in prep but they need to set an upper bound too. Too many seats going to a handful of wealthy schools is not great.

I seriously doubt GPA 3.95 in some low represented county MS is same as getting GPA of 3.95 in Carson etc. I see these differences even in MS AAP school where feeder local AAP school student level of undertsanding is quiet low compare to student from center AAP schools.

Perhaps AAP should simply end in middle school. No reason kids couldn’t take honors at their base schools. Easier to compare across the board too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like my kid can still get in via the automatic 5%. At least it appears that they're making an effort to serve the whole county now.

Agree it's better than just serving the families likely to invest heavy in prep but they need to set an upper bound too. Too many seats going to a handful of wealthy schools is not great.

I seriously doubt GPA 3.95 in some low represented county MS is same as getting GPA of 3.95 in Carson etc. I see these differences even in MS AAP school where feeder local AAP school student level of undertsanding is quiet low compare to student from center AAP schools.

Perhaps AAP should simply end in middle school. No reason kids couldn’t take honors at their base schools. Easier to compare across the board too.

In MS, students are allowed to take honors classes. e.g., for math they can choose Regular Math or Math Honors or Algebra 1 Honors (this is govern by 6th grade test IAAT). So any non-app ostudent wnts tot take Math honors, they can do that in FCPS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like my kid can still get in via the automatic 5%. At least it appears that they're making an effort to serve the whole county now.

Agree it's better than just serving the families likely to invest heavy in prep but they need to set an upper bound too. Too many seats going to a handful of wealthy schools is not great.

I seriously doubt GPA 3.95 in some low represented county MS is same as getting GPA of 3.95 in Carson etc. I see these differences even in MS AAP school where feeder local AAP school student level of undertsanding is quiet low compare to student from center AAP schools.

Perhaps AAP should simply end in middle school. No reason kids couldn’t take honors at their base schools. Easier to compare across the board too.

In MS, students are allowed to take honors classes. e.g., for math they can choose Regular Math or Math Honors or Algebra 1 Honors (this is govern by 6th grade test IAAT). So any non-app ostudent wnts tot take Math honors, they can do that in FCPS.

I know this, and they can take all honors in the core classes, yet there is still a differentiation in middle school. Must serve a purpose...perhaps to truly pick mostly AAP kids for TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like my kid can still get in via the automatic 5%. At least it appears that they're making an effort to serve the whole county now.

Agree it's better than just serving the families likely to invest heavy in prep but they need to set an upper bound too. Too many seats going to a handful of wealthy schools is not great.

I seriously doubt GPA 3.95 in some low represented county MS is same as getting GPA of 3.95 in Carson etc. I see these differences even in MS AAP school where feeder local AAP school student level of undertsanding is quiet low compare to student from center AAP schools.

Perhaps AAP should simply end in middle school. No reason kids couldn’t take honors at their base schools. Easier to compare across the board too.

In MS, students are allowed to take honors classes. e.g., for math they can choose Regular Math or Math Honors or Algebra 1 Honors (this is govern by 6th grade test IAAT). So any non-app ostudent wnts tot take Math honors, they can do that in FCPS.

I know this, and they can take all honors in the core classes, yet there is still a differentiation in middle school. Must serve a purpose...perhaps to truly pick mostly AAP kids for TJ.

I think it is there because there is a State mandate that there are services for gifted kids in all levels of school. MS has Honors classes but those are open enrollment. HS has Gen Ed, Honors, and AP/IB. The AP/IB serve as the opportunities for gifted kids. AAP in MS is the gifted program, same as it is in ES. Honors classes are open enrollment and there are no real requirements for kids to participate in honors classes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like my kid can still get in via the automatic 5%. At least it appears that they're making an effort to serve the whole county now.

Agree it's better than just serving the families likely to invest heavy in prep but they need to set an upper bound too. Too many seats going to a handful of wealthy schools is not great.

I seriously doubt GPA 3.95 in some low represented county MS is same as getting GPA of 3.95 in Carson etc. I see these differences even in MS AAP school where feeder local AAP school student level of undertsanding is quiet low compare to student from center AAP schools.

Perhaps AAP should simply end in middle school. No reason kids couldn’t take honors at their base schools. Easier to compare across the board too.

In MS, students are allowed to take honors classes. e.g., for math they can choose Regular Math or Math Honors or Algebra 1 Honors (this is govern by 6th grade test IAAT). So any non-app ostudent wnts tot take Math honors, they can do that in FCPS.

I know this, and they can take all honors in the core classes, yet there is still a differentiation in middle school. Must serve a purpose...perhaps to truly pick mostly AAP kids for TJ.

I think it is there because there is a State mandate that there are services for gifted kids in all levels of school. MS has Honors classes but those are open enrollment. HS has Gen Ed, Honors, and AP/IB. The AP/IB serve as the opportunities for gifted kids. AAP in MS is the gifted program, same as it is in ES. Honors classes are open enrollment and there are no real requirements for kids to participate in honors classes.

Huh? APS doesn't have AAP but they must find some way to satisfy the state requirements that are less rigid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like my kid can still get in via the automatic 5%. At least it appears that they're making an effort to serve the whole county now.

Agree it's better than just serving the families likely to invest heavy in prep but they need to set an upper bound too. Too many seats going to a handful of wealthy schools is not great.

I seriously doubt GPA 3.95 in some low represented county MS is same as getting GPA of 3.95 in Carson etc. I see these differences even in MS AAP school where feeder local AAP school student level of undertsanding is quiet low compare to student from center AAP schools.

Perhaps AAP should simply end in middle school. No reason kids couldn’t take honors at their base schools. Easier to compare across the board too.

In MS, students are allowed to take honors classes. e.g., for math they can choose Regular Math or Math Honors or Algebra 1 Honors (this is govern by 6th grade test IAAT). So any non-app ostudent wnts tot take Math honors, they can do that in FCPS.

I know this, and they can take all honors in the core classes, yet there is still a differentiation in middle school. Must serve a purpose...perhaps to truly pick mostly AAP kids for TJ.

I think it is there because there is a State mandate that there are services for gifted kids in all levels of school. MS has Honors classes but those are open enrollment. HS has Gen Ed, Honors, and AP/IB. The AP/IB serve as the opportunities for gifted kids. AAP in MS is the gifted program, same as it is in ES. Honors classes are open enrollment and there are no real requirements for kids to participate in honors classes.

Nope…and AP is similar to honors, anyone can take them. Curriculum for gifted doesn’t need a special program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like my kid can still get in via the automatic 5%. At least it appears that they're making an effort to serve the whole county now.

Agree it's better than just serving the families likely to invest heavy in prep but they need to set an upper bound too. Too many seats going to a handful of wealthy schools is not great.

Maybe FCPS should fund the overdue additions to Chantilly and McLean before they "set an upper bound" on the number of kids from those pyramids going to TJ. They expanded West Potomac to 3000 seats and Madison and Justice to 2500 (when none of those three schools was otherwise due for a renovation), so why can't they build Chantilly out to 3000 and McLean out to 2500?

Chantilly has the smallest available land of any HS. It cannot be built out further. Plus, it’s already at 3000 kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:any idea about home school or out of county (Loudoun, PW) or private school

This is based on FCPS data about "transfers" within FCPS pyramids. The only other thing one can discern from this data is that 68% of current TJ students (1345 in total) live in Fairfax County and the other 32% presumably live in Arlington, FCC, Loudoun, and Prince William. It doesn't tell you whether the students were homeschooled or attended private school before attending TJ.

Interesting. Why does fcps open up TJ to other non FCPS students? Is that stipulated somewhere? With the demand of interest, doesn’t make sense.

TJ isn't an FCPS school, it's a governor's school. It's for all the districts that want it (not ACPS, they have declined).

In fact, FCPS numbers would go down to ~ 40-50% if PWC took all of their spots.

since the no of students is supposed to be allocated according to population of the counties/citi

It should be approximately:

Fairfax 40%, PWC 30%, Loudoun 20%, Arlington 9%, FCC 1%.

This will be the composition in 5 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like my kid can still get in via the automatic 5%. At least it appears that they're making an effort to serve the whole county now.

Agree it's better than just serving the families likely to invest heavy in prep but they need to set an upper bound too. Too many seats going to a handful of wealthy schools is not great.

Maybe FCPS should fund the overdue additions to Chantilly and McLean before they "set an upper bound" on the number of kids from those pyramids going to TJ. They expanded West Potomac to 3000 seats and Madison and Justice to 2500 (when none of those three schools was otherwise due for a renovation), so why can't they build Chantilly out to 3000 and McLean out to 2500?

Chantilly has the smallest available land of any HS. It cannot be built out further. Plus, it’s already at 3000 kids.

It may be near 3000 kids. It does not have 3000 permanent seats. If you further limit the number of kids in the Chantilly pyramid who can attend TJ, it just means more kids in temporary seats. If FCPS and its hapless School Board had a clue, they would not tolerate that situation.

And Chantilly does not have the least acreage or available land of any HS in FCPS. If they could expand Madison, with far less acreage, they could expand Chantilly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like my kid can still get in via the automatic 5%. At least it appears that they're making an effort to serve the whole county now.

Agree it's better than just serving the families likely to invest heavy in prep but they need to set an upper bound too. Too many seats going to a handful of wealthy schools is not great.

I seriously doubt GPA 3.95 in some low represented county MS is same as getting GPA of 3.95 in Carson etc. I see these differences even in MS AAP school where feeder local AAP school student level of undertsanding is quiet low compare to student from center AAP schools.

Perhaps AAP should simply end in middle school. No reason kids couldn’t take honors at their base schools. Easier to compare across the board too.

In MS, students are allowed to take honors classes. e.g., for math they can choose Regular Math or Math Honors or Algebra 1 Honors (this is govern by 6th grade test IAAT). So any non-app ostudent wnts tot take Math honors, they can do that in FCPS.

I know this, and they can take all honors in the core classes, yet there is still a differentiation in middle school. Must serve a purpose...perhaps to truly pick mostly AAP kids for TJ.

I think it is there because there is a State mandate that there are services for gifted kids in all levels of school. MS has Honors classes but those are open enrollment. HS has Gen Ed, Honors, and AP/IB. The AP/IB serve as the opportunities for gifted kids. AAP in MS is the gifted program, same as it is in ES. Honors classes are open enrollment and there are no real requirements for kids to participate in honors classes.

AP/IB are just as open enrollment as honors in middle school.