TJ Students by FCPS Pyramid 2022-23

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like my kid can still get in via the automatic 5%. At least it appears that they're making an effort to serve the whole county now.

Agree it's better than just serving the families likely to invest heavy in prep but they need to set an upper bound too. Too many seats going to a handful of wealthy schools is not great.

Maybe FCPS should fund the overdue additions to Chantilly and McLean before they "set an upper bound" on the number of kids from those pyramids going to TJ. They expanded West Potomac to 3000 seats and Madison and Justice to 2500 (when none of those three schools was otherwise due for a renovation), so why can't they build Chantilly out to 3000 and McLean out to 2500?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like my kid can still get in via the automatic 5%. At least it appears that they're making an effort to serve the whole county now.

Agree it's better than just serving the families likely to invest heavy in prep but they need to set an upper bound too. Too many seats going to a handful of wealthy schools is not great.

Maybe FCPS should fund the overdue additions to Chantilly and McLean before they "set an upper bound" on the number of kids from those pyramids going to TJ. They expanded West Potomac to 3000 seats and Madison and Justice to 2500 (when none of those three schools was otherwise due for a renovation), so why can't they build Chantilly out to 3000 and McLean out to 2500?

Maybe McLean families should vote for representatives who care about their issues

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like my kid can still get in via the automatic 5%. At least it appears that they're making an effort to serve the whole county now.

Agree it's better than just serving the families likely to invest heavy in prep but they need to set an upper bound too. Too many seats going to a handful of wealthy schools is not great.

Maybe FCPS should fund the overdue additions to Chantilly and McLean before they "set an upper bound" on the number of kids from those pyramids going to TJ. They expanded West Potomac to 3000 seats and Madison and Justice to 2500 (when none of those three schools was otherwise due for a renovation), so why can't they build Chantilly out to 3000 and McLean out to 2500?

Maybe McLean families should vote for representatives who care about their issues

Or maybe everyone should vote for ones who look after the interests of all residents not just the rich

[Anonymous]

Is the pyramid the home pyramid or the pyramid of the middle school attended? E.g. students who attend LBSS for AAP middle but Irving is the their home middle school (with West Springfield their home pyramid). Are they counted in the Lake Braddock pyramid or West Springfield?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like my kid can still get in via the automatic 5%. At least it appears that they're making an effort to serve the whole county now.

Agree it's better than just serving the families likely to invest heavy in prep but they need to set an upper bound too. Too many seats going to a handful of wealthy schools is not great.

Maybe FCPS should fund the overdue additions to Chantilly and McLean before they "set an upper bound" on the number of kids from those pyramids going to TJ. They expanded West Potomac to 3000 seats and Madison and Justice to 2500 (when none of those three schools was otherwise due for a renovation), so why can't they build Chantilly out to 3000 and McLean out to 2500?

Maybe McLean families should vote for representatives who care about their issues

How does one go about doing this? Look at Elaine Tholen. She met with McLean groups before the fall 2019 elections and promised to prioritize getting McLean in the CIP for an eventual addition, and then pushed through a boundary change with Langley that left McLean and Marshall on the hook for all the growth in Tysons and dropped the ball entirely when it came to getting McLean in the CIP for an addition like those funded at Justice and Madison.

Until the School Board is prepared to to expand McLean, they shouldn't be capping the number of kids admitted to TJ from Longfellow any more than they are doing now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like my kid can still get in via the automatic 5%. At least it appears that they're making an effort to serve the whole county now.

Agree it's better than just serving the families likely to invest heavy in prep but they need to set an upper bound too. Too many seats going to a handful of wealthy schools is not great.

Maybe FCPS should fund the overdue additions to Chantilly and McLean before they "set an upper bound" on the number of kids from those pyramids going to TJ. They expanded West Potomac to 3000 seats and Madison and Justice to 2500 (when none of those three schools was otherwise due for a renovation), so why can't they build Chantilly out to 3000 and McLean out to 2500?

Maybe McLean families should vote for representatives who care about their issues

How does one go about doing this? Look at Elaine Tholen. She met with McLean groups before the fall 2019 elections and promised to prioritize getting McLean in the CIP for an eventual addition, and then pushed through a boundary change with Langley that left McLean and Marshall on the hook for all the growth in Tysons and dropped the ball entirely when it came to getting McLean in the CIP for an addition like those funded at Justice and Madison.

Until the School Board is prepared to to expand McLean, they shouldn't be capping the number of kids admitted to TJ from Longfellow any more than they are doing now.

Maybe vote for a representative who who actually lives in your district. McLean should have more voters than Langley

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like my kid can still get in via the automatic 5%. At least it appears that they're making an effort to serve the whole county now.

Agree it's better than just serving the families likely to invest heavy in prep but they need to set an upper bound too. Too many seats going to a handful of wealthy schools is not great.

Maybe FCPS should fund the overdue additions to Chantilly and McLean before they "set an upper bound" on the number of kids from those pyramids going to TJ. They expanded West Potomac to 3000 seats and Madison and Justice to 2500 (when none of those three schools was otherwise due for a renovation), so why can't they build Chantilly out to 3000 and McLean out to 2500?

Maybe McLean families should vote for representatives who care about their issues

Or maybe everyone should vote for ones who look after the interests of all residents not just the rich

If Tholen had not turned out to be so Langley-centric and protective of Great Falls, she would have required Langley to take on at least some of the growth in Tysons. Then McLean might be in a position to accommodate more of the kids coming out of Longfellow and kids outside the Marshall district who want IB might have a better shot of pupil placing to GCM.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like my kid can still get in via the automatic 5%. At least it appears that they're making an effort to serve the whole county now.

Agree it's better than just serving the families likely to invest heavy in prep but they need to set an upper bound too. Too many seats going to a handful of wealthy schools is not great.

Maybe FCPS should fund the overdue additions to Chantilly and McLean before they "set an upper bound" on the number of kids from those pyramids going to TJ. They expanded West Potomac to 3000 seats and Madison and Justice to 2500 (when none of those three schools was otherwise due for a renovation), so why can't they build Chantilly out to 3000 and McLean out to 2500?

Maybe McLean families should vote for representatives who care about their issues

How does one go about doing this? Look at Elaine Tholen. She met with McLean groups before the fall 2019 elections and promised to prioritize getting McLean in the CIP for an eventual addition, and then pushed through a boundary change with Langley that left McLean and Marshall on the hook for all the growth in Tysons and dropped the ball entirely when it came to getting McLean in the CIP for an addition like those funded at Justice and Madison.

Until the School Board is prepared to to expand McLean, they shouldn't be capping the number of kids admitted to TJ from Longfellow any more than they are doing now.

Maybe vote for a representative who who actually lives in your district. McLean should have more voters than Langley

Langley HS probably has more voters in Dranesville than McLean HS, as Langley draws mostly from the northern part of McLean and Great Falls (all in Dranesville), while McLean is split between Dranesville and Providence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is the pyramid the home pyramid or the pyramid of the middle school attended? E.g. students who attend LBSS for AAP middle but Irving is the their home middle school (with West Springfield their home pyramid). Are they counted in the Lake Braddock pyramid or West Springfield?

It's the home pyramid based on the current addresses of TJ students for the 2022-23 school year. If a student who attended LBSS for AAP in middle school had Irving and West Springfield as their base schools, they are now reported as a "transfer" out of the West Springfield pyramid to TJ. Similarly, if a student who attended LBSS in middle school got into TJ and then moved into the Annandale HS district for a short commute to TJ, they'd get reported as a transfer out of the Annandale pyramid to TJ.

[Anonymous]

Right now there are 1345 TJ students who live in Fairfax County, or about 68% of the total TJ enrollment.

There is still stratification correlated with wealth and ethnicity, as can be seen when you break the 24 high school pyramids in FCPS into four contiguous groups.

Group #1 (Langley, McLean, Madison, Marshall, Oakton) - the five wealthiest pyramids in total send 498 kids to TJ.

Group #2 (Herndon, South Lakes, Chantilly, Centreville, Westfield) - five UMC pyramids that include three with a high concentration of Asian families and in total send 360 kids to TJ.

Group #3 (Fairfax, Woodson, Robinson, Lake Braddock, West Springfield, South County) - six UMC pyramids with fewer Asian families that in total send 264 kids to TJ.

Group #4 (Falls Church, Justice, Annandale, Lewis, Edison, Hayfield, West Potomac, Mount Vernon) - eight pyramids with more poverty that in total send 223 kids to TJ.

If each of these groups were sending the same number of students to TJ, it would be around 336 students per group. That would not mean the same number of students per pyramid, since different groups have different numbers of schools and different schools have different numbers of students. But it would be closer to what FCPS apparently wants to accomplish with the admissions change. It will be interesting to see what these numbers look like in another couple of years, by which time all TJ students will have been admitted under the new system. And, as noted, it may also have implications for the enrollments at some already crowded high schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:any idea about home school or out of county (Loudoun, PW) or private school

This is based on FCPS data about "transfers" within FCPS pyramids. The only other thing one can discern from this data is that 68% of current TJ students (1345 in total) live in Fairfax County and the other 32% presumably live in Arlington, FCC, Loudoun, and Prince William. It doesn't tell you whether the students were homeschooled or attended private school before attending TJ.

Interesting. Why does fcps open up TJ to other non FCPS students? Is that stipulated somewhere? With the demand of interest, doesn’t make sense.

TJ isn't an FCPS school, it's a governor's school. It's for all the districts that want it (not ACPS, they have declined).

In fact, FCPS numbers would go down to ~ 40-50% if PWC took all of their spots.

since the no of students is supposed to be allocated according to population of the counties/citi

It should be approximately:

Fairfax 40%, PWC 30%, Loudoun 20%, Arlington 9%, FCC 1%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is the pyramid the home pyramid or the pyramid of the middle school attended? E.g. students who attend LBSS for AAP middle but Irving is the their home middle school (with West Springfield their home pyramid). Are they counted in the Lake Braddock pyramid or West Springfield?

TJ students are selected based on middle school attended, so where they go for AAP, rather than home middle school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Right now there are 1345 TJ students who live in Fairfax County, or about 68% of the total TJ enrollment.

There is still stratification correlated with wealth and ethnicity, as can be seen when you break the 24 high school pyramids in FCPS into four contiguous groups.

Group #1 (Langley, McLean, Madison, Marshall, Oakton) - the five wealthiest pyramids in total send 498 kids to TJ.

Group #2 (Herndon, South Lakes, Chantilly, Centreville, Westfield) - five UMC pyramids that include three with a high concentration of Asian families and in total send 360 kids to TJ.

Group #3 (Fairfax, Woodson, Robinson, Lake Braddock, West Springfield, South County) - six UMC pyramids with fewer Asian families that in total send 264 kids to TJ.

Group #4 (Falls Church, Justice, Annandale, Lewis, Edison, Hayfield, West Potomac, Mount Vernon) - eight pyramids with more poverty that in total send 223 kids to TJ.

If each of these groups were sending the same number of students to TJ, it would be around 336 students per group. That would not mean the same number of students per pyramid, since different groups have different numbers of schools and different schools have different numbers of students. But it would be closer to what FCPS apparently wants to accomplish with the admissions change. It will be interesting to see what these numbers look like in another couple of years, by which time all TJ students will have been admitted under the new system. And, as noted, it may also have implications for the enrollments at some already crowded high schools.

Have you looked at the FARMs rates for Herndon and South Lakes? While there are some UMC and MC families at both schools, they are not UMC schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like my kid can still get in via the automatic 5%. At least it appears that they're making an effort to serve the whole county now.

Agree it's better than just serving the families likely to invest heavy in prep but they need to set an upper bound too. Too many seats going to a handful of wealthy schools is not great.

Maybe FCPS should fund the overdue additions to Chantilly and McLean before they "set an upper bound" on the number of kids from those pyramids going to TJ. They expanded West Potomac to 3000 seats and Madison and Justice to 2500 (when none of those three schools was otherwise due for a renovation), so why can't they build Chantilly out to 3000 and McLean out to 2500?

Maybe McLean families should vote for representatives who care about their issues

Or maybe everyone should vote for ones who look after the interests of all residents not just the rich

Maybe there is a balance between rewards for working hard versus entitlement? It will bode well for the community and the country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the pyramid the home pyramid or the pyramid of the middle school attended? E.g. students who attend LBSS for AAP middle but Irving is the their home middle school (with West Springfield their home pyramid). Are they counted in the Lake Braddock pyramid or West Springfield?

TJ students are selected based on middle school attended, so where they go for AAP, rather than home middle school.

Yes but this data is based on high school transferred out of, not middle school previously attended.