s/o - Cheating and Checking Diversity boxes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My Irish great grandparents and grandparents suffered severe discrimination in this country when they immigrated. Is there a box I can check?

Yes. This one:

[x] Whiner

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, what a lesson to teach your kids. Take a system that is intended to help kids from less privileged backgrounds and use it to help your over-privileged self get in.

And yes, I know that in practice race is an imperfect proxy for who has been historically underrepresented/frozen out. But you are responsible for your own integrity.

The system is actually not meant to help those of less privileged backgrounds. It’s meant to create diversity. It’s a subtle, but important point. This is the hat the Harvard Lawyers are hanging onto.

[Anonymous]

I’m not trying to game the system but I don’t want to mark Asian on college forms. I plan to enter no information. However, if FCPS has them listed as Asian, will the college get that information?

[Anonymous]

My kids, who look white and have white parents, were raised in Latin America for the first 15 years of their lives. They went to predominantly Spanish speaking schools, speak Spanish like they are native, and one has a slight accent in English.

Are they Hispanic?

[Anonymous]

More than many winning national Hispanic Scholar awards!

[Anonymous]

Because every Hispanic person is an impoverished non-English speaker who walked across the border yesterday

No, but the program certainly wasn't suppose to help a kid get into an IVY with no real connection to a very long-ago Hispanic heritage

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My Irish great grandparents and grandparents suffered severe discrimination in this country when they immigrated. Is there a box I can check?

Yes. This one:

[x] Whiner

Why? Businesses literally hung signs that said “hiring:no Irish”. Same with Italians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kids, who look white and have white parents, were raised in Latin America for the first 15 years of their lives. They went to predominantly Spanish speaking schools, speak Spanish like they are native, and one has a slight accent in English.

Are they Hispanic?

Yes, they fit the definition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the thread about cheating via extended time, some mentioned that white/Asian students are being coached to check the box that they are black or Hispanic.

Is this really what our college application system has become? I cannot imagine anyone that I know doing this. And doesn’t the high school guidance counselor have to review the application and verify information anyway?

I consider my children Hispanic. Their Grandma came here in her teens from Ecuador. Who is the guidance counselor to judge? Is she going to give them a DNA test?
We are

My 23andme DNA test showed I have a tiny bit of Native American blood. I'm of east Asian descent. My dad looks Native American but he's an immigrant. Can my kids claim Native American?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids, who look white and have white parents, were raised in Latin America for the first 15 years of their lives. They went to predominantly Spanish speaking schools, speak Spanish like they are native, and one has a slight accent in English.

Are they Hispanic?

Yes, they fit the definition.

... because?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m not trying to game the system but I don’t want to mark Asian on college forms. I plan to enter no information. However, if FCPS has them listed as Asian, will the college get that information?

They might. I would go into the office and change it to “other” or “mixed race” to be safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids, who look white and have white parents, were raised in Latin America for the first 15 years of their lives. They went to predominantly Spanish speaking schools, speak Spanish like they are native, and one has a slight accent in English.

Are they Hispanic?

Yes, they fit the definition.

... because?

Here is the definition per the US Census:

“ Hispanics or Latino refers to a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race.”

PP’s children have a close connection to Spanish culture and they therefore can check the box.

[Anonymous]

Hispanic is something that is not clearly defined at all. For example - The Hispanic Scholarship Foundation allows you to apply if your one of grandparents are Hispanic.


Also, The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission encourages any individual who believes that he or she is Hispanic to self-identify as Hispanic. The United States Department of Labor – Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs encourages the same self-identification. As a result, individuals with origins to part of the Spanish Empire may self-identify as Hispanic, because an employer may not override an individual's self-identification.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids, who look white and have white parents, were raised in Latin America for the first 15 years of their lives. They went to predominantly Spanish speaking schools, speak Spanish like they are native, and one has a slight accent in English.

Are they Hispanic?

Yes, they fit the definition.

... because?

Here is the definition per the US Census:

“ Hispanics or Latino refers to a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race.”

PP’s children have a close connection to Spanish culture and they therefore can check the box.

Do others actually agree with this?

[Anonymous]

Couldn't they avoid all this hair splitting about who is in and who is out of these vague categories and just ask in a nice way "are you poor?" That's ultimately who they are trying to help, or so I thought. Even if it has to include poor white people.