Africans and blacks in Ukraine

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, the US is in Ukraine right now repatriating US citizens and residents. While they are at it, do you seriously believe the US should also bring back these people you are writing about?

OP did not mention bringing back African people from African countries. She only spoke about the way they were treated and as an African American, who probably has experienced some form of discrimination she spoke out about it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"The first flight with 219 students landed in India. But there are 18,000 Indian students in Ukraine. From the videos posted in Indian media, they were just as surprised as the Ukrainians since the Ukrainian media kept saying there would be no invasion."

Well they are incompetent then. Biden has been warning Americans to GET OUT for two weeks now I think and underscoring we are NOT coming in to Ukraine to get Americans that ignore that warning. How did other countries hear the US & State Dept telling our citizens "you're about to up a creek w/o a paddle if you don't get yourself over a border ASAP" and not start at least planning on how they're going to evacuate their own people?

That may be easier for some countries than others but India is a major power - they certainly should have known this was coming and started preparing for how they were going to deal with their people

DP. No, not really. Putin has said a bunch of stuff -- no one thought he was going to invade Ukraine from all (most) sides. No one expected this.

Nor did anyone expect Zelensky to be such a great war president or for Europe to react so strongly and quickly against Russia. No one expected that either.

Other PP here. I don't know about India, but let me tell you that Nigeria couldn't care less about their lambda student abroad. Consular services are pretty much non existent, unless you know somebody. Government is too disorganized to deal with the masses of Nigerians abroad. When the US said people should evacuate that should have set them in motion asap too. They messed up. Should have at least send busses to the EU entry points.

Indian politicians are corrupt and they wouldn't care about anything unless media makes a big deal of it.

Less than 2% have been evacuated and that is saying something about their efficiency (or lack there of)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, the US is in Ukraine right now repatriating US citizens and residents. While they are at it, do you seriously believe the US should also bring back these people you are writing about?

OP did not mention bringing back African people from African countries. She only spoke about the way they were treated and as an African American, who probably has experienced some form of discrimination she spoke out about it.

The point is Ukraine’s neighboring countries, too, have their immigration policies. No country leaves their door wide open to just anyone to walk in. Immigration policies are almost always country specific.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, the US is in Ukraine right now repatriating US citizens and residents. While they are at it, do you seriously believe the US should also bring back these people you are writing about?

OP did not mention bringing back African people from African countries. She only spoke about the way they were treated and as an African American, who probably has experienced some form of discrimination she spoke out about it.

The point is Ukraine’s neighboring countries, too, have their immigration policies. No country leaves their door wide open to just anyone to walk in. Immigration policies are almost always country specific.

But we don't know whether they had visas to the other countries do we? They were not even allowed in closer for officials to check their id's/documents and were pushed away. That is where the problem is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, the US is in Ukraine right now repatriating US citizens and residents. While they are at it, do you seriously believe the US should also bring back these people you are writing about?

OP did not mention bringing back African people from African countries. She only spoke about the way they were treated and as an African American, who probably has experienced some form of discrimination she spoke out about it.

The point is Ukraine’s neighboring countries, too, have their immigration policies. No country leaves their door wide open to just anyone to walk in. Immigration policies are almost always country specific.

But we don't know whether they had visas to the other countries do we? They were not even allowed in closer for officials to check their id's/documents and were pushed away. That is where the problem is.

+1. We do not know nearly enough about what’s going on to draw conclusions. This is nothing but a Russian propaganda campaign.

One hint is how the supposedly anti-racist poster keeps referring to non-whites people as “coloreds.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, the US is in Ukraine right now repatriating US citizens and residents. While they are at it, do you seriously believe the US should also bring back these people you are writing about?

OP did not mention bringing back African people from African countries. She only spoke about the way they were treated and as an African American, who probably has experienced some form of discrimination she spoke out about it.

The point is Ukraine’s neighboring countries, too, have their immigration policies. No country leaves their door wide open to just anyone to walk in. Immigration policies are almost always country specific.

But we don't know whether they had visas to the other countries do we? They were not even allowed in closer for officials to check their id's/documents and were pushed away. That is where the problem is.

+1. We do not know nearly enough about what’s going on to draw conclusions. This is nothing but a Russian propaganda campaign.

One hint is how the supposedly anti-racist poster keeps referring to non-whites people as “coloreds.”

I am that poster and I am colored. I am tired of typing "black and brown", so yeah, I am colored.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, the US is in Ukraine right now repatriating US citizens and residents. While they are at it, do you seriously believe the US should also bring back these people you are writing about?

OP did not mention bringing back African people from African countries. She only spoke about the way they were treated and as an African American, who probably has experienced some form of discrimination she spoke out about it.

The point is Ukraine’s neighboring countries, too, have their immigration policies. No country leaves their door wide open to just anyone to walk in. Immigration policies are almost always country specific.

But we don't know whether they had visas to the other countries do we? They were not even allowed in closer for officials to check their id's/documents and were pushed away. That is where the problem is.

Yeah no, if they had Schengen Visas they would not be in Ukraine in the first place.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, the US is in Ukraine right now repatriating US citizens and residents. While they are at it, do you seriously believe the US should also bring back these people you are writing about?

OP did not mention bringing back African people from African countries. She only spoke about the way they were treated and as an African American, who probably has experienced some form of discrimination she spoke out about it.

The point is Ukraine’s neighboring countries, too, have their immigration policies. No country leaves their door wide open to just anyone to walk in. Immigration policies are almost always country specific.

But we don't know whether they had visas to the other countries do we? They were not even allowed in closer for officials to check their id's/documents and were pushed away. That is where the problem is.

Yeah no, if they had Schengen Visas they would not be in Ukraine in the first place.

Here’s the list of countries requiring a visa to enter EU.

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/who-needs-schengen-visa/

I guarantee that the US is doing the same thing when repatriating US citizens and permanent residents. The docs are checked in Ukraine. Those without proper paperwork are left behind in Ukraine.

[Anonymous]

Ukraine is not a traditional immigrant receiving country
The number of non whites you are referring to is just a drop in the ocean
Most have already left, anyway

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ukraine is not a traditional immigrant receiving country
The number of non whites you are referring to is just a drop in the ocean
Most have already left, anyway

Interesting that Ukraine gets to have that posture and the world community celebrates it but if other countries want a similar posture, people get mad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I saw this on reddit - Indian students (women) beaten by Ukrainian soldiers at the border. Looks like this went viral in India and media there is blasting Ukraine. India had taken a neutral stance before this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/russia/comments/t2r9ze/ukrainian_forces_beating_up_indian_students_and/

First of all, it was not a good look for India to take a "neutral stance" relative to democracy, freedom and sovereignty of nations. It was not a good look for India to take a "neutral stance" relative to an authoritarian dictator attacking a neighbor state without any genuinely legitimate reason for doing so.

As for the video, it is difficult to tell what is going on without any context provided.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I saw this on reddit - Indian students (women) beaten by Ukrainian soldiers at the border. Looks like this went viral in India and media there is blasting Ukraine. India had taken a neutral stance before this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/russia/comments/t2r9ze/ukrainian_forces_beating_up_indian_students_and/

First of all, it was not a good look for India to take a "neutral stance" relative to democracy, freedom and sovereignty of nations. It was not a good look for India to take a "neutral stance" relative to an authoritarian dictator attacking a neighbor state without any genuinely legitimate reason for doing so.

As for the video, it is difficult to tell what is going on without any context provided.

Do you know India's history? If no, its better to keep your mouth shut as to why they do certain things. And if you do care to understand, then read this to get some idea of why India has taken a neutral stance.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/russian-support-to-india-on-kashmir-is-rooted-in-history/articleshow/73411150.cms

Why do you think Biden delayed helping Ukraine? It didn't look good either, but it is protect our country (I voted for him btw and I believe he made the right call). And Modi (though I don't agree with his politics) has taken the safe stance for India. You cannot alienate a country that has come to your aid historically, so instead of taking a stand against him, being neutral is the better option. India has China on one side and Pakistan on the other and both have nuclear weapons, so India cannot afford to alienate Russia. Same goes with China. They cannot afford to alienate Russia either.

[Anonymous]

PP here - Read this why:

https://news.yahoo.com/india-walks-tightrope-over-calls-104353109.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

[Anonymous]

It was not a good look - but the trains heading to EU were for Ukrainian passport holders and visa holders from India and many African countries. Ukraine is not one of the countries requiring a visa. They can enter EU in passports.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ukraine is not a traditional immigrant receiving country
The number of non whites you are referring to is just a drop in the ocean
Most have already left, anyway

Interesting that Ukraine gets to have that posture and the world community celebrates it but if other countries want a similar posture, people get mad.

Nobody wants to immigrate there. Throughout history it has been a country that people leave