Government Shutdown - September, 2025 Editiion

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Anonymous wrote:My unpopular opinion..

As a Dem I think their shutdown strategy of holding the line on premiums is a losing one.

Like it or not, the GOO has the upper hand with Trump at the helm. Sooner or later, the govt needs to reopen. The shut down creates a distraction for Trump and proj 2025 to leverage opportunities. A lot can happen in the shutdown with him as Pres, legally or not.

The better strategy is to use the leverage of anger when GOP increases costs to bring more folks to the Dem side. If you are a Dem, you support what they are doing but those independents and GOP folks are who you want to convince. The way to do that is not to inflict more pain and ultimately lose this fight but to jet the pain happen and say - hey vote for us instead!

The only thing happening now is pain for all. This is nothing but a damn show out in by the Dems to court public favor- to say hey - aren't we cool?! They are not. I put money on the fact that the only people who will be backing down to reopen the govt will be Dems as GOP are clearly anti gov. This is exactly what they want. As long as the right people get paid - those in their side - they win.

This whole mess is the Dem debacle and I'm a Dem. This is just not the right fight to have. Not at all. They will end up in a weaker position than the start because they won't have gained anything.

This is how Trump win the Presidency - they built a org, a momentum, a team, a cause. It's what the Dems should be doing. What's going on now is the people working separately from political leadership and that's what the Dems need to fix.

The democrats are seen as the ones shutting down the gov. They are the holdouts. They will get the blame because they are in the minority.

The entire gop is not going to be convinced especially since they have the numbers. The Dems will have to compromise if the govt is to be reopened. The gop knows this. And will push this to its limits.

Why do only Dems need to compromise? In order to pass a budget, the House needs to send the Senate something that can get 60 votes. Usually that's accomplished by bipartisan compromise within the House. Kevin McCarthy did this in 2023. Mike Johnson himself did this last year. Yet this time around Johnson is expecting the Senate to act as rubber stamp for the one bill he was willing to pass before taking his members and going home. The longer he keeps the House out of session the more blame Mike Johnson will get for the shutdown.

You are wrong. Budget bills only require 50 votes, cannot be filibustered.

Um, the whole reason we are in this shutdown right now is that a budget bill cannot get 60 votes in the Senate.

The GOP can drop the filibuster and pass it. Since the GOP doesn’t seem to feel that the constitution governs anymore, it’s odd they are sticking to this one rule. If I were a betting person, I’d say it’s because they know it’s a disaster and want to blame the Democratic Party. It seems wise for the Democratic Party to steer clear of this steaming pile of crap. The GOP owns it all.

At this point, we have people starting to see what is going to happen to their healthcare premiums (see Idaho above). We have active military getting one more paycheck, but facing nothing after that. We have farmers dealing with the loss of USAID to purchase their product, China turning away, and the knowledge of the food sitting there waiting to rot.

This is all owned by the GOP, agreed. They need to stop hoping the Dems will bail them out and deal with governing the country that they bought, and now own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one cares about ACA subsidies. It’s a bad hill to die on. They should have picked something more strategic. It’s made the Democrats look out of touch and nonsensical. Maybe something like the Epstein files or another issue, but the temporary ACA subsidies from COVID seem so random and unrelated to anything about funding the government or what people actually care about. The left’s people are now supposed to care about it, but no one really does. It’s a bad play.

Lies. There’s a study showing the vast majority of MAGA want it. It’s more popular in 2025 than ever! More lies.

[Anonymous]

What does a temporary emergency healthcare stimulus payment for a once in a lifetime pandemic have to do with keeping the govt open or even making it permanent. Those were extraordinary times why not continue all the forgivable ppe loans, no penalty 402k withdrawals or stimulus checks?

[Anonymous]

The GOP’s name is on the proverbial door right now. This is their shutdown lock, stock & barrel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What does a temporary emergency healthcare stimulus payment for a once in a lifetime pandemic have to do with keeping the govt open or even making it permanent. Those were extraordinary times why not continue all the forgivable ppe loans, no penalty 402k withdrawals or stimulus checks?

Yes, and why $1.5 TRILLION?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My unpopular opinion..

As a Dem I think their shutdown strategy of holding the line on premiums is a losing one.

Like it or not, the GOO has the upper hand with Trump at the helm. Sooner or later, the govt needs to reopen. The shut down creates a distraction for Trump and proj 2025 to leverage opportunities. A lot can happen in the shutdown with him as Pres, legally or not.

The better strategy is to use the leverage of anger when GOP increases costs to bring more folks to the Dem side. If you are a Dem, you support what they are doing but those independents and GOP folks are who you want to convince. The way to do that is not to inflict more pain and ultimately lose this fight but to jet the pain happen and say - hey vote for us instead!

The only thing happening now is pain for all. This is nothing but a damn show out in by the Dems to court public favor- to say hey - aren't we cool?! They are not. I put money on the fact that the only people who will be backing down to reopen the govt will be Dems as GOP are clearly anti gov. This is exactly what they want. As long as the right people get paid - those in their side - they win.

This whole mess is the Dem debacle and I'm a Dem. This is just not the right fight to have. Not at all. They will end up in a weaker position than the start because they won't have gained anything.

This is how Trump win the Presidency - they built a org, a momentum, a team, a cause. It's what the Dems should be doing. What's going on now is the people working separately from political leadership and that's what the Dems need to fix.

The democrats are seen as the ones shutting down the gov. They are the holdouts. They will get the blame because they are in the minority.

The entire gop is not going to be convinced especially since they have the numbers. The Dems will have to compromise if the govt is to be reopened. The gop knows this. And will push this to its limits.

Why do only Dems need to compromise? In order to pass a budget, the House needs to send the Senate something that can get 60 votes. Usually that's accomplished by bipartisan compromise within the House. Kevin McCarthy did this in 2023. Mike Johnson himself did this last year. Yet this time around Johnson is expecting the Senate to act as rubber stamp for the one bill he was willing to pass before taking his members and going home. The longer he keeps the House out of session the more blame Mike Johnson will get for the shutdown.

You miss the point. They don't have to compromise. They need to find a fight they can win. They cannot win this stalemate because very simply - the other side doesn't need the shutdown to end!!! Don't you people get it?

It doesn't matter how many people blame the GOP. Ultimately, as a Dem, I believe in a govt. it's really clear to me Trump and gang don't really see this as a positive. They want their kind of govt.

So the Dens need to play strategically and let this one go. Let some stuff go bad so you can blame the Republicans! You have to fight to win the war. Not just the battle.

I’m listening. How should Dems let this go without looking like they caved? What should they demand or fight on. Because if you think the House CR will get MAGA to touch the stove and wake up let me introduce you to the state of West Virginia.

Touch stove never works.

So I’m open to your idea but would like you to flesh it out more for those us in non poker players/political operatives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one cares about ACA subsidies. It’s a bad hill to die on. They should have picked something more strategic. It’s made the Democrats look out of touch and nonsensical. Maybe something like the Epstein files or another issue, but the temporary ACA subsidies from COVID seem so random and unrelated to anything about funding the government or what people actually care about. The left’s people are now supposed to care about it, but no one really does. It’s a bad play.

It wouldn’t have been my issues but Healthcare premium increase letters coming out in 2 weeks. And it’s got MTG splitting from MAGA.

In the end, it’s not about the issue. It’s about the Democrats holding strong and showing voters that they’re willing to fight all except turncoat Fetterman and Cortez Masto.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My unpopular opinion..

As a Dem I think their shutdown strategy of holding the line on premiums is a losing one.

Like it or not, the GOO has the upper hand with Trump at the helm. Sooner or later, the govt needs to reopen. The shut down creates a distraction for Trump and proj 2025 to leverage opportunities. A lot can happen in the shutdown with him as Pres, legally or not.

The better strategy is to use the leverage of anger when GOP increases costs to bring more folks to the Dem side. If you are a Dem, you support what they are doing but those independents and GOP folks are who you want to convince. The way to do that is not to inflict more pain and ultimately lose this fight but to jet the pain happen and say - hey vote for us instead!

The only thing happening now is pain for all. This is nothing but a damn show out in by the Dems to court public favor- to say hey - aren't we cool?! They are not. I put money on the fact that the only people who will be backing down to reopen the govt will be Dems as GOP are clearly anti gov. This is exactly what they want. As long as the right people get paid - those in their side - they win.

This whole mess is the Dem debacle and I'm a Dem. This is just not the right fight to have. Not at all. They will end up in a weaker position than the start because they won't have gained anything.

This is how Trump win the Presidency - they built a org, a momentum, a team, a cause. It's what the Dems should be doing. What's going on now is the people working separately from political leadership and that's what the Dems need to fix.

The democrats are seen as the ones shutting down the gov. They are the holdouts. They will get the blame because they are in the minority.

The entire gop is not going to be convinced especially since they have the numbers. The Dems will have to compromise if the govt is to be reopened. The gop knows this. And will push this to its limits.

Why do only Dems need to compromise? In order to pass a budget, the House needs to send the Senate something that can get 60 votes. Usually that's accomplished by bipartisan compromise within the House. Kevin McCarthy did this in 2023. Mike Johnson himself did this last year. Yet this time around Johnson is expecting the Senate to act as rubber stamp for the one bill he was willing to pass before taking his members and going home. The longer he keeps the House out of session the more blame Mike Johnson will get for the shutdown.

You are wrong. Budget bills only require 50 votes, cannot be filibustered.

Um, the whole reason we are in this shutdown right now is that a budget bill cannot get 60 votes in the Senate.

Yes, but it is a continuing resolution. I think the regular budget bills cannot be filibustered. Under Biden they declared they can use this no filibuster reconciliation rule twice or even three times, but it appears the Republicans are not doing that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DP here. But this is the thing - let the prices rise so people see Trump and Rep for who they are. All the Dems do is mess up. They will need to fold because they have no hand to play. Worst, they won't get credit from anyone other than their own side on this. MAGA will just blame Dems for all of this. Just let MAGA see first hand what they would suffer through without trying to protect them.

You’ve never been to West Virginia. Those people keep voting against their interest year after year after year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My unpopular opinion..

As a Dem I think their shutdown strategy of holding the line on premiums is a losing one.

Like it or not, the GOO has the upper hand with Trump at the helm. Sooner or later, the govt needs to reopen. The shut down creates a distraction for Trump and proj 2025 to leverage opportunities. A lot can happen in the shutdown with him as Pres, legally or not.

The better strategy is to use the leverage of anger when GOP increases costs to bring more folks to the Dem side. If you are a Dem, you support what they are doing but those independents and GOP folks are who you want to convince. The way to do that is not to inflict more pain and ultimately lose this fight but to jet the pain happen and say - hey vote for us instead!

The only thing happening now is pain for all. This is nothing but a damn show out in by the Dems to court public favor- to say hey - aren't we cool?! They are not. I put money on the fact that the only people who will be backing down to reopen the govt will be Dems as GOP are clearly anti gov. This is exactly what they want. As long as the right people get paid - those in their side - they win.

This whole mess is the Dem debacle and I'm a Dem. This is just not the right fight to have. Not at all. They will end up in a weaker position than the start because they won't have gained anything.

This is how Trump win the Presidency - they built a org, a momentum, a team, a cause. It's what the Dems should be doing. What's going on now is the people working separately from political leadership and that's what the Dems need to fix.

The democrats are seen as the ones shutting down the gov. They are the holdouts. They will get the blame because they are in the minority.

The entire gop is not going to be convinced especially since they have the numbers. The Dems will have to compromise if the govt is to be reopened. The gop knows this. And will push this to its limits.

Why do only Dems need to compromise? In order to pass a budget, the House needs to send the Senate something that can get 60 votes. Usually that's accomplished by bipartisan compromise within the House. Kevin McCarthy did this in 2023. Mike Johnson himself did this last year. Yet this time around Johnson is expecting the Senate to act as rubber stamp for the one bill he was willing to pass before taking his members and going home. The longer he keeps the House out of session the more blame Mike Johnson will get for the shutdown.

You are wrong. Budget bills only require 50 votes, cannot be filibustered.

Um, the whole reason we are in this shutdown right now is that a budget bill cannot get 60 votes in the Senate.

Yes, but it is a continuing resolution. I think the regular budget bills cannot be filibustered. Under Biden they declared they can use this no filibuster reconciliation rule twice or even three times, but it appears the Republicans are not doing that.

The actual rule is you can use the filibuster rule 2.75 times, but only in or after a full moon waning, the declaration to use the filibuster must be made on the House floor at 2:15am and 1/3 of the party caucus dyes it's hair 50% green and 50% orange and owns 2 Cheshire cats.

[Anonymous]

Is there anyone in Congress right now actively working to get a viable alternative solution to the stubbornness on both sides? Are there ANY adults left in the hallowed halls of the IS Capitol?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My unpopular opinion..

As a Dem I think their shutdown strategy of holding the line on premiums is a losing one.

Like it or not, the GOO has the upper hand with Trump at the helm. Sooner or later, the govt needs to reopen. The shut down creates a distraction for Trump and proj 2025 to leverage opportunities. A lot can happen in the shutdown with him as Pres, legally or not.

The better strategy is to use the leverage of anger when GOP increases costs to bring more folks to the Dem side. If you are a Dem, you support what they are doing but those independents and GOP folks are who you want to convince. The way to do that is not to inflict more pain and ultimately lose this fight but to jet the pain happen and say - hey vote for us instead!

The only thing happening now is pain for all. This is nothing but a damn show out in by the Dems to court public favor- to say hey - aren't we cool?! They are not. I put money on the fact that the only people who will be backing down to reopen the govt will be Dems as GOP are clearly anti gov. This is exactly what they want. As long as the right people get paid - those in their side - they win.

This whole mess is the Dem debacle and I'm a Dem. This is just not the right fight to have. Not at all. They will end up in a weaker position than the start because they won't have gained anything.

This is how Trump win the Presidency - they built a org, a momentum, a team, a cause. It's what the Dems should be doing. What's going on now is the people working separately from political leadership and that's what the Dems need to fix.

I agree somewhat. The Dems are in a losing position like the GOP was during the Obama administration when the ACA passed. The GOP offered no better ideas and the Dems came out looking good. Now the shoe is on the other BUT the Dems could drop the rope in this tug of war and let the GOP land on its keester. Instead, hardline partisan politics on both sides will hurt the electorate by holding up the budget. SMH

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one cares about ACA subsidies. It’s a bad hill to die on. They should have picked something more strategic. It’s made the Democrats look out of touch and nonsensical. Maybe something like the Epstein files or another issue, but the temporary ACA subsidies from COVID seem so random and unrelated to anything about funding the government or what people actually care about. The left’s people are now supposed to care about it, but no one really does. It’s a bad play.

You mean you don’t care about ACA premiums, probably because you already have a good subsidized healthcare plan with your government job. Millions of people are on ACA as a healthcare lifeline, and I assure you they do care about the ACA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one cares about ACA subsidies. It’s a bad hill to die on. They should have picked something more strategic. It’s made the Democrats look out of touch and nonsensical. Maybe something like the Epstein files or another issue, but the temporary ACA subsidies from COVID seem so random and unrelated to anything about funding the government or what people actually care about. The left’s people are now supposed to care about it, but no one really does. It’s a bad play.

No one cares about subsidies? People don’t care about their health care? About their costs? What are you smoking?!
Of course, Trump is always free to unveil that plan he’s been working on for 10+ years.

Excuuuuuuuse me, but that's "a concept of an idea of a plan."

Meanwhile, in Idaho people are writing their (Republican) Senator because they just realized their monthly healthcare bill will go from $51 to $2232.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/idaho-kicks-affordable-care-act-open-enrollment-premiums-are-set-rise-rcna237298
Idaho kicks off Affordable Care Act open enrollment as premiums are set to rise nationwide:
About 25,000 Idahoans are likely to drop their coverage for next year when enhanced subsidies expire

Many Idahoans will have to decide whether they’ll be able to afford coverage once the enhanced subsidies that kept premiums lower for many middle-class families expire at the end of the year.

Bob McMichael, 63, and his wife, Leslie, 62, already know they won’t.

Both are retired and make about $42,000 a year. They currently pay $51 a month for their ACA plan. Late last month, they got a notice that their monthly premium would increase to $2,232 next year without the subsidies.

This timing isn't great for the GOP. Shame about that.

Hmm. Wonder who they voted for?

The Idaho Senators who don’t care about the ACA or them, of course.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares about ACA subsidies. It’s a bad hill to die on. They should have picked something more strategic. It’s made the Democrats look out of touch and nonsensical. Maybe something like the Epstein files or another issue, but the temporary ACA subsidies from COVID seem so random and unrelated to anything about funding the government or what people actually care about. The left’s people are now supposed to care about it, but no one really does. It’s a bad play.

It wouldn’t have been my issues but Healthcare premium increase letters coming out in 2 weeks. And it’s got MTG splitting from MAGA.

In the end, it’s not about the issue. It’s about the Democrats holding strong and showing voters that they’re willing to fight all except turncoat Fetterman and Cortez Masto.

I still can’t believe Pennsylvanians voted for that Neanderthal over Connor Lamb.