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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]My unpopular opinion..

As a Dem I think their shutdown strategy of holding the line on premiums is a losing one.

Like it or not, the GOO has the upper hand with Trump at the helm.  Sooner or later, the govt needs to reopen. The shut down creates a distraction for Trump and proj 2025 to leverage opportunities. A lot can happen in the shutdown with him as Pres, legally or not.

The better strategy is to use the leverage of anger when GOP increases costs to bring more folks to the Dem side.  If you are a Dem, you support what they are doing but those independents and GOP folks are who you want to convince. The way to do that is not to inflict more pain and ultimately lose this fight but to jet the pain happen and say - hey vote for us instead!

The only thing happening now is pain for all.  This is nothing but a damn show out in by the Dems to court public favor- to say hey - aren't we cool?! They are not. I put money on the fact that the only people who will be backing down to reopen the govt will be Dems as GOP are clearly anti gov.  This is exactly what they want.  As long as the right people get paid - those in their side - they win.

This whole mess is the Dem debacle and I'm a Dem.  This is just not the right fight to have.  Not at all.  They will end up in a weaker position than the start because they won't have gained anything.

This is how Trump win the Presidency - they built a org, a momentum, a team, a cause.  It's what the Dems should be doing.  What's going on now is the people working separately from political leadership and that's what the Dems need to fix. 
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The democrats are seen as the ones shutting down the gov. They are the holdouts. They will get the blame because they are in the minority.

The entire gop is not going to be convinced especially since they have the numbers. The Dems will have to compromise if the govt is to be reopened. The gop knows this. And will push this to its limits.

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Why do only Dems need to compromise? In order to pass a budget, the House needs to send the Senate something that can get 60 votes. Usually that's accomplished by bipartisan compromise within the House. Kevin McCarthy did this in 2023. Mike Johnson himself did this last year. Yet this time around Johnson is expecting the Senate to act as rubber stamp for the one bill he was willing to pass before taking his members and going home. The longer he keeps the House out of session the more blame Mike Johnson will get for the shutdown.[/quote]You are wrong.  Budget bills only require 50 votes, cannot be filibustered.[/quote]
Um, the whole reason we are in this shutdown right now is that a budget bill cannot get 60 votes in the Senate.[/quote]

The GOP can drop the filibuster and pass it. Since the GOP doesn’t seem to feel that the constitution governs anymore, it’s odd they are sticking to this one rule. If I were a betting person, I’d say it’s because they know it’s a disaster and want to blame the Democratic Party. It seems wise for the Democratic Party to steer clear of this steaming pile of crap. The GOP owns it all. [/quote]

At this point, we have people starting to see what is going to happen to their healthcare premiums (see Idaho above). We have active military getting one more paycheck, but facing nothing after that. We have farmers dealing with the loss of USAID to purchase their product, China turning away, and the knowledge of the food sitting there waiting to rot.

This is all owned by the GOP, agreed. They need to stop hoping the Dems will bail them out and deal with governing the country that they bought, and now own. [/quote]

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