Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.businessinsider.com/lori-loughlin-daughters-usc-2019-3

Supposedly the rumors that Loughlin’s daughters already dropped out aren’t true.

they weren't expelled [yet], but they left to avoid bullying.

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Anonymous wrote:The college admission scandal is basically 9/11 for upper middle class white people. Haven’t seen them so upset by something in years.

This has nothing to do with “upper middle class white people,” dummy. It has to do with rich, entitled assholes.

No it has to do with UMC white peoples and Asians who have stacked the deck against the poors and are getting a taste of their own medicine.

Eh? This is pretty stupid. UMC white people and Asians probably have the most difficult time in college admissions because they are the largest groups applying to college and don't have the special hooks or minority status.

All these people nabbed in the cheating scandal were outright rich. Very rich. You have to be rich to easily write checks for hundreds of thousands of dollars just to cheat on the SAT. You only do that if the money means nothing to you. An UMC family, even with a few million net worth, is not writing 6 figure checks to cheat on the SATs. The law firm boss was pulling in an income of 10 million a year. The Abbotts in New York with their blunt smoking son have their apartment on the market for $20 million. Felicity the actress was arrested at her $35 million dollar LA house. That's the kind of wealth we're talking about. Not upper middle class making a few hundred grand a year.

Yes, but it's the UMC whites and Asians who have created this problem. With private schools, 10 AP's, segregated schools, test prep, and tutors ... they have created an unhealthy environment for kids to try to compete for college spots.

The poors have been saying it for year... the process is broken and favors the rich. The whole process favors kids in high ranking schools and money to learn outside of school.

You created this mess and now your are crying because richer people were beating you at your own game.

Wahhh! I don't feel sorry for you. The millionaire vs the billionaires.... cry me a river.

I’m not sure I follow your reasoning. The hallmark of the UMC is that they follow the rules. They are grinders. That usually is what keeps them UMC instead of rich. The counselors and AP exams and tests and private schools are all a direct reaction to the increasing demand from the top colleges for increasingly perfect students. But this is wildly different from breaking the law, which is what these rich parents did. The rich weren’t beating the UMC at their game. They were playing by a very different set of rules. A different game altogether.

If anything comes out of this scandal it’s the sudden and very open realization that the rich are playing by a very different set of rules. And that these colleges probably knew about it but looked the other way. It made it very clear that meritocracy, which is the moral belief of the upper middle classes who define themselves by their own hard work, is a sham at these colleges. It has definitely weakened the value of the top colleges. This upper middle class person is thoroughly disgusted by it all,

Excellent representation of UMC viewpoint, PP. Also MC viewpoint in this area (public servants/one parent SAHM families).

The only problem is that I bet that some of this behavior extends to other areas of society. I don't think this scandal can be viewed in isolation. I for one think we need to do away with the meritocracy narrative in the country - that it's possible to make it based on individual effort alone and that everyone has a fair shot at success. This scandal underscores that it's just not true.

I also worry that this is the first spasm in a larger traumatic event to come. The income inequality in this country is not sustainable and I fear the US is in for a big reckoning. I don't think people can take much more of this type of stuff.

Signed - UMC African American with a kid at an Ivy.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.businessinsider.com/lori-loughlin-daughters-usc-2019-3

Supposedly the rumors that Loughlin’s daughters already dropped out aren’t true.

I think it's USC spring break. They may not be able to officially drop out until next week. I hope they do.

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Anonymous wrote:The college admission scandal is basically 9/11 for upper middle class white people. Haven’t seen them so upset by something in years.

This has nothing to do with “upper middle class white people,” dummy. It has to do with rich, entitled assholes.

No it has to do with UMC white peoples and Asians who have stacked the deck against the poors and are getting a taste of their own medicine.

Eh? This is pretty stupid. UMC white people and Asians probably have the most difficult time in college admissions because they are the largest groups applying to college and don't have the special hooks or minority status.

All these people nabbed in the cheating scandal were outright rich. Very rich. You have to be rich to easily write checks for hundreds of thousands of dollars just to cheat on the SAT. You only do that if the money means nothing to you. An UMC family, even with a few million net worth, is not writing 6 figure checks to cheat on the SATs. The law firm boss was pulling in an income of 10 million a year. The Abbotts in New York with their blunt smoking son have their apartment on the market for $20 million. Felicity the actress was arrested at her $35 million dollar LA house. That's the kind of wealth we're talking about. Not upper middle class making a few hundred grand a year.

Yes, but it's the UMC whites and Asians who have created this problem. With private schools, 10 AP's, segregated schools, test prep, and tutors ... they have created an unhealthy environment for kids to try to compete for college spots.

The poors have been saying it for year... the process is broken and favors the rich. The whole process favors kids in high ranking schools and money to learn outside of school.

You created this mess and now your are crying because richer people were beating you at your own game.

Wahhh! I don't feel sorry for you. The millionaire vs the billionaires.... cry me a river.

I think the elite universities, the College Board (a huge money making non profit), USNWR, etc created this mess. The elite want to stay elite.

If people refused to play the college boards would not be a "huge money maker" ... USNWR would be useless

But UMC's feed the monster then get pissed when they get bit in the a$$.

So I am sitting here looking at a Harvey Mudd flyer that came in the mail. It says ACT or SAT required and SAT subject test in Math 2 and another subject test required. I am sure they expect some AP classes. So that is paying the College Board at least six times. Tiny little Harvey Mudd for engineering requires a student pay the college board at least six times.

I'd be more impressed with an investigation on how much the college board kicks back to Universities.

They should be investigated. Also USNWR. The fall after the Penn State scandal USNWR had Penn State jump up like 10 or 15 spots. Everyone thought they would go down in ranking. That was very suspicious.

There are 6000 schools that pay college board $400/year to be a member for .. does not sound like a lot... that is $2.5 M ... for what, why, who isn't able to pay that and how are those schools disadvantaged.

Hey... but it's legal.... i don't give a flying f what is legal, we need to get back to what is moral.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a Los Angeles area prep school.

USC was where a whole bunch of really mediocre rich kids went--they took the easiest classes at the school, etc.

To try to balance out these kids, USC would offer merit scholarships (and in a couple cases, the opportunity to leave high school an year early and enroll as a freshman at USC) to the very top students.

I grew up in LA and had a friend that did that. As I recall, it was the only reason to go to USC, it generally was seen as inferior to UCLA and other options (late 80s)

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a Los Angeles area prep school.

USC was where a whole bunch of really mediocre rich kids went--they took the easiest classes at the school, etc.

To try to balance out these kids, USC would offer merit scholarships (and in a couple cases, the opportunity to leave high school an year early and enroll as a freshman at USC) to the very top students.

5 strong students I know applied to USC the same year. None of them got in. USC lies and tells you they get so many qualified applicants when really they are letting in criminals. USCheat is what the school should be called.

LA prep school person again. Yeah, USC had a huge chunk of rich legacy kids (they love legacies) that weren't very impressive--they took the easiest classes, zero honors or AP classes, zero impressive extracurriculars to speak of but they had parents that went there or were pretty well known. Then there were kids who got in for the merit scholarships to balance them out, these were kids who were in the top 10 students in our class and National Merit Scholars. A lot of solid students that fell in between these two groups were denied.

How things have changed! Now people are committing crimes to get in there.
The school is a powerhouse and has amazing programs. But they need to clean up their act.

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What’s usc’s brand on the east coast? Or is it very LA centric?

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Mr. Tobin got all three of his daughters into Yale through this scam? Now one of them is in Med School. That is disgusting.

This is WRONG and so unfair to his kids. Three got in on their own. The Yale soccer coach offered to accept a bribe for the fourth. Mr. Tobin exposed it. Mr. Tobin was not charged in the college admissions case because he did not take part in it (although he has other legal issues). Both of my kids know his. They are smart and were accepted on their merits. Of course, now they have to deal with not only the shame of their dad's other actions and his ties (being the tipster) on this case, and people like you questioning their right to be at Yale.

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Isn’t stuy pretty poor in terms of ses?

I am not fully sold that standardized testing is fully games by umc when I see so many lower middle class kids at places like stuy.

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Now they're looking at private schools. This thing is just beginning.

"The Justice Department has subpoenaed records for individual students at Sage Hill School and two board of trustees members have resigned their positions as the exclusive Orange County prep school finds itself deeper in a nationwide college admission bribery scandal, the Orange County Register has learned.

"Doug Hodge, the former chief executive officer at PIMCO, a Newport Beach-based international investment management group, and Michelle Merage-Janavs, a former executive for a food manufacturing company owned by her family, both resigned from the board Thursday...

"With Merage-Janavs and Hodges’ indictments Tuesday, Sage Hill found itself in the middle of a $65 million federal racketeering case in which celebrities and the wealthy paid to have their children admitted to elite universities on the strength of falsified entrance test scores and athletic credentials."

https://www.ocregister.com/2019/03/14/sage-hill-school-board-of-trustees-members-resign-following-indictments-in-college-admissions-scandal/

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Anonymous wrote:What’s usc’s brand on the east coast? Or is it very LA centric?

with the internet, and USNWR being Googlable, you can see it is the 22d ranked national university. It's a very big deal in L.A. to be sure, but has it's attractions for some on the east coast as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t stuy pretty poor in terms of ses?

I am not fully sold that standardized testing is fully games by umc when I see so many lower middle class kids at places like stuy.

Yes, Stuyvesant is heavily working class immigrants.

https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-without-test-stuy-wont-work-20180607-story.html

It has a 43% FARMS rate.

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Mr. Tobin got all three of his daughters into Yale through this scam? Now one of them is in Med School. That is disgusting.

This is WRONG and so unfair to his kids. Three got in on their own. The Yale soccer coach offered to accept a bribe for the fourth. Mr. Tobin exposed it. Mr. Tobin was not charged in the college admissions case because he did not take part in it (although he has other legal issues). Both of my kids know his. They are smart and were accepted on their merits. Of course, now they have to deal with not only the shame of their dad's other actions and his ties (being the tipster) on this case, and people like you questioning their right to be at Yale.

I disagree they got in on their own merits. Their father was engaged in two simultaneous fraud schemes. Coincidence? Nope. This man was rigging systems in his family's favor for years.

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I've done some Googling and it appears that none of these people are old money. They all appear to be new money and just ignorant on how to play the game.

Pretty hilarious that their greed of including their 'donations' on their tax returns is what did them in.

I married into an old money family and trust me, with the exception of 3, most of my nieces and nephews do NOT deserve their spots in the ivies they've been admitted to. They get in for being legacies and because of donations.

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Anonymous wrote:I've done some Googling and it appears that none of these people are old money. They all appear to be new money and just ignorant on how to play the game.

Pretty hilarious that their greed of including their 'donations' on their tax returns is what did them in.

I married into an old money family and trust me, with the exception of 3, most of my nieces and nephews do NOT deserve their spots in the ivies they've been admitted to. They get in for being legacies and because of donations.

Huffman actually comes from an older money family with Yale connections. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicity_Huffman