Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot

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Anonymous wrote:Phil Mickelson admitted using Singer's company "to help guide them through the admissions process" but he denies paying anyone off. Why would anyone believe him at this point? Getting out ahead of it...?

Just like he managed to get out of that insider trading mess.

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Anonymous wrote:Olivia Jade, Lori Loughlin's daughter, is just the gift that keeps on giving. Here she explaining how her mother MADE her attend college. Starts at 2:25. THIS WAS THREE DAYS AGO!!!!

Lori definitely had no idea what was coming down the pipe.

Wow 16:25 is not going to help his defense

That right there is an acute attack of bilious indigestion for a defense attorney.

It always amazes me how many people are not just accidentally letting on that they have been doing unethical or illegal things, but seem compelled to wave a flag announcing it. The entitlement and privilege is breathtaking. (Witness Trump, known by his own lawyers as Enemy Number One.)

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I went to a Los Angeles area prep school.

USC was where a whole bunch of really mediocre rich kids went--they took the easiest classes at the school, etc.

To try to balance out these kids, USC would offer merit scholarships (and in a couple cases, the opportunity to leave high school an year early and enroll as a freshman at USC) to the very top students.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a Los Angeles area prep school.

USC was where a whole bunch of really mediocre rich kids went--they took the easiest classes at the school, etc.

To try to balance out these kids, USC would offer merit scholarships (and in a couple cases, the opportunity to leave high school an year early and enroll as a freshman at USC) to the very top students.

Ironically ASU does the same thing. https://scholarships.asu.edu/estimator

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Anonymous wrote:The college admission scandal is basically 9/11 for upper middle class white people. Haven’t seen them so upset by something in years.

This has nothing to do with “upper middle class white people,” dummy. It has to do with rich, entitled assholes.

No it has to do with UMC white peoples and Asians who have stacked the deck against the poors and are getting a taste of their own medicine.

Eh? This is pretty stupid. UMC white people and Asians probably have the most difficult time in college admissions because they are the largest groups applying to college and don't have the special hooks or minority status.

All these people nabbed in the cheating scandal were outright rich. Very rich. You have to be rich to easily write checks for hundreds of thousands of dollars just to cheat on the SAT. You only do that if the money means nothing to you. An UMC family, even with a few million net worth, is not writing 6 figure checks to cheat on the SATs. The law firm boss was pulling in an income of 10 million a year. The Abbotts in New York with their blunt smoking son have their apartment on the market for $20 million. Felicity the actress was arrested at her $35 million dollar LA house. That's the kind of wealth we're talking about. Not upper middle class making a few hundred grand a year.

Yes, but it's the UMC whites and Asians who have created this problem. With private schools, 10 AP's, segregated schools, test prep, and tutors ... they have created an unhealthy environment for kids to try to compete for college spots.

The poors have been saying it for year... the process is broken and favors the rich. The whole process favors kids in high ranking schools and money to learn outside of school.

You created this mess and now your are crying because richer people were beating you at your own game.

Wahhh! I don't feel sorry for you. The millionaire vs the billionaires.... cry me a river.

I’m not sure I follow your reasoning. The hallmark of the UMC is that they follow the rules. They are grinders. That usually is what keeps them UMC instead of rich. The counselors and AP exams and tests and private schools are all a direct reaction to the increasing demand from the top colleges for increasingly perfect students. But this is wildly different from breaking the law, which is what these rich parents did. The rich weren’t beating the UMC at their game. They were playing by a very different set of rules. A different game altogether.

If anything comes out of this scandal it’s the sudden and very open realization that the rich are playing by a very different set of rules. And that these colleges probably knew about it but looked the other way. It made it very clear that meritocracy, which is the moral belief of the upper middle classes who define themselves by their own hard work, is a sham at these colleges. It has definitely weakened the value of the top colleges. This upper middle class person is thoroughly disgusted by it all,

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a Los Angeles area prep school.

USC was where a whole bunch of really mediocre rich kids went--they took the easiest classes at the school, etc.

To try to balance out these kids, USC would offer merit scholarships (and in a couple cases, the opportunity to leave high school an year early and enroll as a freshman at USC) to the very top students.

5 strong students I know applied to USC the same year. None of them got in. USC lies and tells you they get so many qualified applicants when really they are letting in criminals. USCheat is what the school should be called.

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Anonymous wrote:The college admission scandal is basically 9/11 for upper middle class white people. Haven’t seen them so upset by something in years.

This has nothing to do with “upper middle class white people,” dummy. It has to do with rich, entitled assholes.

No it has to do with UMC white peoples and Asians who have stacked the deck against the poors and are getting a taste of their own medicine.

Eh? This is pretty stupid. UMC white people and Asians probably have the most difficult time in college admissions because they are the largest groups applying to college and don't have the special hooks or minority status.

All these people nabbed in the cheating scandal were outright rich. Very rich. You have to be rich to easily write checks for hundreds of thousands of dollars just to cheat on the SAT. You only do that if the money means nothing to you. An UMC family, even with a few million net worth, is not writing 6 figure checks to cheat on the SATs. The law firm boss was pulling in an income of 10 million a year. The Abbotts in New York with their blunt smoking son have their apartment on the market for $20 million. Felicity the actress was arrested at her $35 million dollar LA house. That's the kind of wealth we're talking about. Not upper middle class making a few hundred grand a year.

Yes, but it's the UMC whites and Asians who have created this problem. With private schools, 10 AP's, segregated schools, test prep, and tutors ... they have created an unhealthy environment for kids to try to compete for college spots.

The poors have been saying it for year... the process is broken and favors the rich. The whole process favors kids in high ranking schools and money to learn outside of school.

You created this mess and now your are crying because richer people were beating you at your own game.

Wahhh! I don't feel sorry for you. The millionaire vs the billionaires.... cry me a river.

I’m not sure I follow your reasoning. The hallmark of the UMC is that they follow the rules. They are grinders. That usually is what keeps them UMC instead of rich. The counselors and AP exams and tests and private schools are all a direct reaction to the increasing demand from the top colleges for increasingly perfect students. But this is wildly different from breaking the law, which is what these rich parents did. The rich weren’t beating the UMC at their game. They were playing by a very different set of rules. A different game altogether.

If anything comes out of this scandal it’s the sudden and very open realization that the rich are playing by a very different set of rules. And that these colleges probably knew about it but looked the other way. It made it very clear that meritocracy, which is the moral belief of the upper middle classes who define themselves by their own hard work, is a sham at these colleges. It has definitely weakened the value of the top colleges. This upper middle class person is thoroughly disgusted by it all,

Excellent representation of UMC viewpoint, PP. Also MC viewpoint in this area (public servants/one parent SAHM families).

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Anonymous wrote:The college admission scandal is basically 9/11 for upper middle class white people. Haven’t seen them so upset by something in years.

This has nothing to do with “upper middle class white people,” dummy. It has to do with rich, entitled assholes.

No it has to do with UMC white peoples and Asians who have stacked the deck against the poors and are getting a taste of their own medicine.

Eh? This is pretty stupid. UMC white people and Asians probably have the most difficult time in college admissions because they are the largest groups applying to college and don't have the special hooks or minority status.

All these people nabbed in the cheating scandal were outright rich. Very rich. You have to be rich to easily write checks for hundreds of thousands of dollars just to cheat on the SAT. You only do that if the money means nothing to you. An UMC family, even with a few million net worth, is not writing 6 figure checks to cheat on the SATs. The law firm boss was pulling in an income of 10 million a year. The Abbotts in New York with their blunt smoking son have their apartment on the market for $20 million. Felicity the actress was arrested at her $35 million dollar LA house. That's the kind of wealth we're talking about. Not upper middle class making a few hundred grand a year.

Yes, but it's the UMC whites and Asians who have created this problem. With private schools, 10 AP's, segregated schools, test prep, and tutors ... they have created an unhealthy environment for kids to try to compete for college spots.

The poors have been saying it for year... the process is broken and favors the rich. The whole process favors kids in high ranking schools and money to learn outside of school.

You created this mess and now your are crying because richer people were beating you at your own game.

Wahhh! I don't feel sorry for you. The millionaire vs the billionaires.... cry me a river.

I think the elite universities, the College Board (a huge money making non profit), USNWR, etc created this mess. The elite want to stay elite.

If people refused to play the college boards would not be a "huge money maker" ... USNWR would be useless

But UMC's feed the monster then get pissed when they get bit in the a$$.

So I am sitting here looking at a Harvey Mudd flyer that came in the mail. It says ACT or SAT required and SAT subject test in Math 2 and another subject test required. I am sure they expect some AP classes. So that is paying the College Board at least six times. Tiny little Harvey Mudd for engineering requires a student pay the college board at least six times.

I'd be more impressed with an investigation on how much the college board kicks back to Universities.

They should be investigated. Also USNWR. The fall after the Penn State scandal USNWR had Penn State jump up like 10 or 15 spots. Everyone thought they would go down in ranking. That was very suspicious.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a Los Angeles area prep school.

USC was where a whole bunch of really mediocre rich kids went--they took the easiest classes at the school, etc.

To try to balance out these kids, USC would offer merit scholarships (and in a couple cases, the opportunity to leave high school an year early and enroll as a freshman at USC) to the very top students.

5 strong students I know applied to USC the same year. None of them got in. USC lies and tells you they get so many qualified applicants when really they are letting in criminals. USCheat is what the school should be called.

LA prep school person again. Yeah, USC had a huge chunk of rich legacy kids (they love legacies) that weren't very impressive--they took the easiest classes, zero honors or AP classes, zero impressive extracurriculars to speak of but they had parents that went there or were pretty well known. Then there were kids who got in for the merit scholarships to balance them out, these were kids who were in the top 10 students in our class and National Merit Scholars. A lot of solid students that fell in between these two groups were denied.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a Los Angeles area prep school.

USC was where a whole bunch of really mediocre rich kids went--they took the easiest classes at the school, etc.

To try to balance out these kids, USC would offer merit scholarships (and in a couple cases, the opportunity to leave high school an year early and enroll as a freshman at USC) to the very top students.

5 strong students I know applied to USC the same year. None of them got in. USC lies and tells you they get so many qualified applicants when really they are letting in criminals. USCheat is what the school should be called.

Were they Engineering applicants? I think USC’s Engineering program is very strong.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I went to a Los Angeles area prep school.

USC was where a whole bunch of really mediocre rich kids went--they took the easiest classes at the school, etc.

To try to balance out these kids, USC would offer merit scholarships (and in a couple cases, the opportunity to leave high school an year early and enroll as a freshman at USC) to the very top students.

5 strong students I know applied to USC the same year. None of them got in. USC lies and tells you they get so many qualified applicants when really they are letting in criminals. USCheat is what the school should be called.

Were they Engineering applicants? I think USC’s Engineering program is very strong.

USC engineering is legit. Of course, it’s not as good as CalTech or Stanford. But if you survive the program, you’ll be guaranteed an UMC lifestyle. They have a good petroleum/minerals engineering program, which harks back to LA’s days as a big oil drilling and refining region. The oil derricks are still all over SoCal and lots of off shore platforms up and down the coast.

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Have you looked at Morrie Tobin's instagram. All about non profit with statements like "Build good habits" "Seeking human kindness" "Volunteer". Meanwhile he was entangled in stock fraud and college fraud. The elite hide behind their "volunteer" work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Phil Mickelson admitted using Singer's company "to help guide them through the admissions process" but he denies paying anyone off. Why would anyone believe him at this point? Getting out ahead of it...?

Just like he managed to get out of that insider trading mess.

I believe his daughter was valedictorian so at least she’s an excellent student.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The college admission scandal is basically 9/11 for upper middle class white people. Haven’t seen them so upset by something in years.

This has nothing to do with “upper middle class white people,” dummy. It has to do with rich, entitled assholes.

No it has to do with UMC white peoples and Asians who have stacked the deck against the poors and are getting a taste of their own medicine.

Eh? This is pretty stupid. UMC white people and Asians probably have the most difficult time in college admissions because they are the largest groups applying to college and don't have the special hooks or minority status.

All these people nabbed in the cheating scandal were outright rich. Very rich. You have to be rich to easily write checks for hundreds of thousands of dollars just to cheat on the SAT. You only do that if the money means nothing to you. An UMC family, even with a few million net worth, is not writing 6 figure checks to cheat on the SATs. The law firm boss was pulling in an income of 10 million a year. The Abbotts in New York with their blunt smoking son have their apartment on the market for $20 million. Felicity the actress was arrested at her $35 million dollar LA house. That's the kind of wealth we're talking about. Not upper middle class making a few hundred grand a year.

Yes, but it's the UMC whites and Asians who have created this problem. With private schools, 10 AP's, segregated schools, test prep, and tutors ... they have created an unhealthy environment for kids to try to compete for college spots.

The poors have been saying it for year... the process is broken and favors the rich. The whole process favors kids in high ranking schools and money to learn outside of school.

You created this mess and now your are crying because richer people were beating you at your own game.

Wahhh! I don't feel sorry for you. The millionaire vs the billionaires.... cry me a river.

I’m not sure I follow your reasoning. The hallmark of the UMC is that they follow the rules. They are grinders. That usually is what keeps them UMC instead of rich. The counselors and AP exams and tests and private schools are all a direct reaction to the increasing demand from the top colleges for increasingly perfect students. But this is wildly different from breaking the law, which is what these rich parents did. The rich weren’t beating the UMC at their game. They were playing by a very different set of rules. A different game altogether.

If anything comes out of this scandal it’s the sudden and very open realization that the rich are playing by a very different set of rules. And that these colleges probably knew about it but looked the other way. It made it very clear that meritocracy, which is the moral belief of the upper middle classes who define themselves by their own hard work, is a sham at these colleges. It has definitely weakened the value of the top colleges. This upper middle class person is thoroughly disgusted by it all,

UMC's don't play by the rules, they set the rules to suit their children.

UMC are playing by a very different set of rules than 70% of the nation.

Something doesn't have to be illegal for it to be wrong.

What has come out during this investigation is the UMC's that are appalled have created a system that favors them and keeps "other" disadvantaged and are very blind to that fact.

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https://www.businessinsider.com/lori-loughlin-daughters-usc-2019-3

Supposedly the rumors that Loughlin’s daughters already dropped out aren’t true.