War with Iran

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This distills things pretty well.

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Anonymous wrote:(NYTimes) 3 U.S. Planes Are Shot Down in ‘Friendly Fire’ in Kuwait, U.S. Military Says
Separately, a drone attack hit the U.S. Embassy compound in the Persian Gulf state, as Iran continues to target American assets across the Middle East.

No rules of engagement

Hegseth said that rules of engagement are “stupid” and that the United States will not be constrained by them.

To be fair he was talking about civilians, unarmed men, women and children.

No he wasn’t. This was today. Talking about the U.S. war in Iran. Because he’s incompetent and doesn’t understand why rules of engagement matter.

"No stupid rules of engagement, no nation building quagmire, no democracy building exercise, no politically correct wars. We fight to win, and we don't waste time or lives," Hegseth said.

Trump and Hegseth haven’t put forth an objective for all this so I’m not even sure what a win will look like. Trump spent two hours blathering to the American people less than a week before starting this and barely said a word about it. Neither did the national defense strategy document that was released very recently.

The “objective” that the Trump administration has articulated is to “take out the nukes” which were “obliterated” last summer.

Something is not adding up.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question. Do old white boomers enjoy listening to other white boomers tell fairy tales? I'm curious about the MAGA crowd. Any insight would be welcomed.

They were more angry about Cracker Barrel changing its own logo than they are about starting another Middle East war for oil.

This. They probably conflated Cracker Barrel's old timer with Trump, thought they were the same person.

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Anonymous wrote:This is looking more and more like a long drawn out conflict.

It's bad for the stock market. It's going to be bad for the economy long term, because we're going to add more trillions to the national debt and shackle our descendants' economic wellbeing for generations to come. All these wars we've been involved in post-WWII have contributed to the USA not being as wealthy as we could have been.

It was an insane decision to go to war in this manner. Trump has no concept of what's actually good for the country. He thinks the Maduro kidnapping was a success - it wasn't. The Venezuela coup was for nothing: there's still an authoritarian regime in power, and the oilfields are so damaged they will take decades to be profitable, and in the meantime, the US cannot keep bullying Venezuela into accepting highly unfair and asymmetrical shares of profit.

He's making the same mistake in Iran, thinking a decapitation of the regime will lead to... what exactly? A peaceful transition to power to a more liberal government is NOT POSSIBLE. The Iraq wars tell us this much. It led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians in the region! And the end result for the US was what? Expenses in money and American lives.

THIS IS INSANE.

It is even worst. He wants the Republican Guard to take over. They will turn Iran in to North Korea. They will go nuclear very quickly. I mean if you were them wouldn’t you? A nuclear weapon with a ballistic delivery system and no one will mess with Iran.

The mistake Iran made was agreeing to inspections to begin with. The new regime will not do that again. The Republicans have shown they will not abide by any treaty just like Israel.

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We spent $6 trillion fighting stupid wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Thousands of young Americans died, and many more came home with crippling injuries and horrible PTSD.

And now Republicans have decided on another endless war of choice with no plans, no goals, and no forethought. The absolute insanity of Republicans will never cease to amaze me.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of these posters sound like they’re about 12 years old and have no concept of the evil acts Iran has committed over the decades. I suggest you educate yourselves because you just sound beyond ignorant.

“The mullahs who run Iran are murderous thugs. They kill women for showing their hair. They throw people in jail for dancing. They execute homosexuals. Death to America is their official foreign policy. They want Salman Rushdie’s head on a platter. The world is a better place without them.

I realize that’s crazy talk to anyone born in the 1990s or the 2000s. If you learned your foreign policy in a post-9/11 Ivy League classroom, or from some based online bugmold with a newsletter, that sounds like the reckless neocon warmongering that put us into a quagmire in Iraq.

But I was born in the 1970s. I remember the shocking barbarism of the fatwa against Mr. Rushdie. I remember the Iranian-backed Hezbollah terrorism of the 1980s, the 1994 suicide attack on the Jewish community center in Buenos Aires, the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing. I remember Terry Anderson and Terry Waite. I remember that al Qaeda members, including Osama bin Laden’s son, were given sanctuary in Iran after 9/11.

Any American over 50 knows who started it. The claim that Iran is the world’s No. 1 state sponsor of terrorism is more than words. It strikes deep. The Islamic Republic has waged war on the West and Western values for half a century. The Foundation for Defense of Democracies keeps a handy tally of Tehran’s long and bloody résumé. Check it out sometime.”

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/free-expression/iran-started-it-b165eef9?st=L6BhkA

The first statement is rich coming from you, and you sound DUMB. Why not take your own advice and educate yourself before your failed attempt to lecture others. You were born in the 1970's and you think that is when the world began.

So you don't remember the USA overthrowing a democratically elected Iranian government and the murder of millions of Iranian citizens with the support of the USA CIA. You don't remember the Iranian people in 1979 asking the US for support to get rid of the Shah and Jimmy Carter backing the Shah over the Iranian people who he had brutalized for over two-decades and when Carter said "no", the Embassy was overtaken for leverage. Before the USA had a public policy of not negotiating the American lives in the Embassy languished for nearly a year. You should also remember that the public policy was not the same as a private deal that the Reagan Administration made with the kidnappers to release the hostages right before the 1980 election. So this country does negotiate with terrorists when we want.

You speak of Iran being a state sponsored terrorist, but you overlook that the USA is one of the largest state sponsored terrorist in the world. How could you not know that the USA sponsored and waged a war against Iran that lasted eight years and cost more than one-million Iranian lives. The USA gave Iraq and Saddam Hussein billions of dollars, the best weapons available from US defense companies. Donald Rumsfield gave Saddam everything short of a nuclear weapon, including biological weapons that were used against the Iranian citizens.

Bottom line is the USA hands are not clean. We are responsible for millions of innocent lives across the globe. I won't even get into government overthrows and wars the USA has contributed to in the loss of lives right here in the Americas.

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Anonymous wrote:Remember, everyone, this is your money being flushed. Remember when you pay your healthcare premiums. Remember in November.

This! This! This!
Trump is flushing our taxpayer dollars down the toilet. How many billions is he spending every day? We cannot afford this adventurism.

This! +1000 he’s a dying old man checking off items on his to-do list and making sure he takes care of his bros before he croaks.

This is a war almost 40 years in the making.

Trump said in *1987* that the US should attack "horrible, horrible" Iran, "and take over some of their oil." In the years since, Trump talked about seizing oil from Venezuela, Iraq, Syria, Kuwait, and Libya.

Kuwait got in a few shots, taking down 3 American planes "by accident"

It’s about $300M to replace those planes, btw. So glad the pilots and crew are safe.

Lockheed stock is up bigly.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like the US is junior “partner” in this. I bet the US military is taking orders from the IDF. It only makes sense.

Not a junior partner. The US is the big dumb guy who shows up as the 'heavy' not knowing they are the patsy in all of this.

Marco Rubio said that Israel was going to strike no matter what leaving the US no alternative.

There is no daylight between our negotiator— Kushner—and the Israelis.

According to the Haaretz today, those close around Netanyahu said he chose to strike for political reasons. He is up for election and his polls are looking bad.

Why our President does what Netanyahu says is curious unless you realize he os 100% compromised by them. And it must be something terrible.

Netanyahu have the unredacted Epstein documents and Trump's photos and name is throughout. He has to bow to Netanyahu's will.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of these posters sound like they’re about 12 years old and have no concept of the evil acts Iran has committed over the decades. I suggest you educate yourselves because you just sound beyond ignorant.

“The mullahs who run Iran are murderous thugs. They kill women for showing their hair. They throw people in jail for dancing. They execute homosexuals. Death to America is their official foreign policy. They want Salman Rushdie’s head on a platter. The world is a better place without them.

I realize that’s crazy talk to anyone born in the 1990s or the 2000s. If you learned your foreign policy in a post-9/11 Ivy League classroom, or from some based online bugmold with a newsletter, that sounds like the reckless neocon warmongering that put us into a quagmire in Iraq.

But I was born in the 1970s. I remember the shocking barbarism of the fatwa against Mr. Rushdie. I remember the Iranian-backed Hezbollah terrorism of the 1980s, the 1994 suicide attack on the Jewish community center in Buenos Aires, the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing. I remember Terry Anderson and Terry Waite. I remember that al Qaeda members, including Osama bin Laden’s son, were given sanctuary in Iran after 9/11.

Any American over 50 knows who started it. The claim that Iran is the world’s No. 1 state sponsor of terrorism is more than words. It strikes deep. The Islamic Republic has waged war on the West and Western values for half a century. The Foundation for Defense of Democracies keeps a handy tally of Tehran’s long and bloody résumé. Check it out sometime.”

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/free-expression/iran-started-it-b165eef9?st=L6BhkA

If you'd like to fight the Mullahs, you're free to do so. Stop using our children to do it.

“Our children” - or rather, our military - are getting rid of this sick regime which has caused so much terror around the world for decades. Very thankful right now but it figures that you would want the Islamic Regime to continue sowing terror both within Iran and worldwide.

I don’t want my child to die for Israel.

Was your child dumb enough to volunteer under a Kegsbreth leadership? A blind man could see this coming.

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Anonymous wrote:(NYTimes) 3 U.S. Planes Are Shot Down in ‘Friendly Fire’ in Kuwait, U.S. Military Says
Separately, a drone attack hit the U.S. Embassy compound in the Persian Gulf state, as Iran continues to target American assets across the Middle East.

No rules of engagement

Hegseth said that rules of engagement are “stupid” and that the United States will not be constrained by them.

To be fair he was talking about civilians, unarmed men, women and children.

No he wasn’t. This was today. Talking about the U.S. war in Iran. Because he’s incompetent and doesn’t understand why rules of engagement matter.

"No stupid rules of engagement, no nation building quagmire, no democracy building exercise, no politically correct wars. We fight to win, and we don't waste time or lives," Hegseth said.

Trump and Hegseth haven’t put forth an objective for all this so I’m not even sure what a win will look like. Trump spent two hours blathering to the American people less than a week before starting this and barely said a word about it. Neither did the national defense strategy document that was released very recently.

The “objective” that the Trump administration has articulated is to “take out the nukes” which were “obliterated” last summer.

Something is not adding up.

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The midterms will be lit...

... on fire by Trump. The GOP will have wailing and gnashing of teeth. FAFO, truly.

I hope the Dems don't cave on the partial shutdown. This administration cannot ask for more domestic security funding for DHS just because the President unilaterally decided to start a way without Congressional authorization.

Unfortunately they cannot help themselves and will indeed cave. It's in the party's DNA.

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Anonymous wrote:(NYTimes) 3 U.S. Planes Are Shot Down in ‘Friendly Fire’ in Kuwait, U.S. Military Says
Separately, a drone attack hit the U.S. Embassy compound in the Persian Gulf state, as Iran continues to target American assets across the Middle East.

No rules of engagement

Hegseth said that rules of engagement are “stupid” and that the United States will not be constrained by them.

To be fair he was talking about civilians, unarmed men, women and children.

No he wasn’t. This was today. Talking about the U.S. war in Iran. Because he’s incompetent and doesn’t understand why rules of engagement matter.

"No stupid rules of engagement, no nation building quagmire, no democracy building exercise, no politically correct wars. We fight to win, and we don't waste time or lives," Hegseth said.

Yes he was. It’s a constant complaint on the right that the US was too concerned about killing civilians, damaging infrastructure, blowing hospitals, blowing churches, blowing mosque, etc. All of those and more are legal targets now. Be like the Israelis target healthcare, infrastructure and reporters.

This is how you win tactically but lose strategically. The US is spinning up the terrorist pipeline for decades to come. Good luck everyone! Remember they do not hate our freedoms(which republicans have taken away from us) but our actions.

We are not the shining city on the hill but a dark oppressive force demanding our money and bribes. If you do not pay we will kill you and leave your countries in ruins.

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Anonymous wrote:(NYTimes) 3 U.S. Planes Are Shot Down in ‘Friendly Fire’ in Kuwait, U.S. Military Says
Separately, a drone attack hit the U.S. Embassy compound in the Persian Gulf state, as Iran continues to target American assets across the Middle East.

No rules of engagement

Hegseth said that rules of engagement are “stupid” and that the United States will not be constrained by them.

To be fair he was talking about civilians, unarmed men, women and children.

No he wasn’t. This was today. Talking about the U.S. war in Iran. Because he’s incompetent and doesn’t understand why rules of engagement matter.

"No stupid rules of engagement, no nation building quagmire, no democracy building exercise, no politically correct wars. We fight to win, and we don't waste time or lives," Hegseth said.

Trump and Hegseth haven’t put forth an objective for all this so I’m not even sure what a win will look like. Trump spent two hours blathering to the American people less than a week before starting this and barely said a word about it. Neither did the national defense strategy document that was released very recently.

The “objective” that the Trump administration has articulated is to “take out the nukes” which were “obliterated” last summer.

Something is not adding up.

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Yep, they’ve thrown out half a dozen justifications and also undercut each of them. They are winging it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Serious question. Do old white boomers enjoy listening to other white boomers tell fairy tales? I'm curious about the MAGA crowd. Any insight would be welcomed.

Evidently yes.

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Anonymous wrote:For once, we need to focus on our own country and fix our internal instead of focusing on external problems.

We should be able to do both, but not with a compromised president and political party intending to destroy out country from within.