Official Government Shutdown 2023 Thread

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Anonymous wrote:NEWS - House Rs gonna offer a 45 day CR with disaster aid but NO Ukraine funding.

On suspension, will look for Dem support. @SteveScalise says this will be on the floor “shortly”

Cite?

Everywhere - McCarthy just spoke and all outlets covered it.

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OK, so this is it. 2/3 vote for suspension of the rules. Sounds very doable. It sounds like the CR will have no spending cuts and no money for Ukraine. Senate stopgap has $6 billion for Ukraine. I think this can get done. Dems will hold their nose. But if it doesn’t get done, we’re in for a weeklong shutdown.

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Anonymous wrote:CNN - House GOP meets at 930a as a plan has been under discussion: a CR until Nov. 17 extending current funding with disaster aid, per sources. Put it under suspension (2/3 majority) and rely on D votes, something McCarthy’s hard-right has told him not to do.

So I haven’t followed the politics of this so could someone explain - I though the reason a clean CR wasn’t an option weeks ago is bc the MAGA caucus demanded that any CR/budget have huge spending cuts. Granted maybe a clean CR passes without them - w Dems + moderate GOP. But then I thought the MAGA caucus has said if McCarthy gets it done that way with Dems, they’ll come after his speakership. Is McCarthy now implying he’d give up speakership? Maybe he would but I’m kind of surprised he’d offer that up pre shutdown.

I think they're hoping if they can separate Ukraine aid from the CR, that's enough cover for the MAGA to call it a win.

There's been a poster in another forum claiming that pulling Ukraine funding has always been the main issue due to kompromat. I'm starting to believe it.

I believe it too. The wapo called this “the shutdown about nothing.” It’s about something and this is it.

“I think if we had a clean one without Ukraine on it we could probably be able to move that through,” McCarthy said after a lengthy GOP conference meeting on Friday when asked about a clean continuing resolution.

Finally getting around to the point.

He said that yesterday but apparently some folks at the 930 meeting are reaching out to less reputable news orgs saying — “current House GOP plan doesn’t include any sort of CR.

They will put a plan to pay troops on floor, FAA extension, flood insurance, and border patrol.”

Might just be me but if we get a plan that pays military but not people at Labor, FERC or wherever doesn’t this drag longer? Now suddenly the number of unpaid goes from like 3.5 mil to like 1.5 mil roughly and the sob stories from some army wife taking on credit card debt for groceries are gone.

That was what happened in 2018-2019.

Military got paid in 2018-19? Bc I just saw stories on the news with a coast guard family talking about how they were so hurt by the last shutdown etc.

Does paying military drag out shutdowns longer? Not that most Americans care at all but support the troops at least resonates with some % of Americans while most don’t know or care what FERC does.

Coast Guard is part of DHS. So Military could’ve been funded in 2018-2019, but not DHS. I don’t remember though…

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At first I thought that everyone should take this clean CR with no Ukraine money. But TBH, the Ra are not going to agree to any of the terms in the final bills so all we’d do is find ourselves in the same position in two weeks. Just rip the bandaid off, shut it down and come up with a budget.

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The suspense is killing me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At first I thought that everyone should take this clean CR with no Ukraine money. But TBH, the Ra are not going to agree to any of the terms in the final bills so all we’d do is find ourselves in the same position in two weeks. Just rip the bandaid off, shut it down and come up with a budget.

No thanks. Take the CR.

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House Majority Leader Steve Scalise said the chamber will vote today on a 45-day continuing resolution that would keep the government open until mid-November.

The bill won't contain funding for the war in Ukraine, Scalise said.

Without the Ukraine funding and with hardliner Republicans still opposing a temporary spending bill, its unlikely the measure will pass.

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Anonymous wrote:House Majority Leader Steve Scalise said the chamber will vote today on a 45-day continuing resolution that would keep the government open until mid-November.

The bill won't contain funding for the war in Ukraine, Scalise said.

Without the Ukraine funding and with hardliner Republicans still opposing a temporary spending bill, its unlikely the measure will pass.

Is it unlikely?

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Anonymous wrote:House Majority Leader Steve Scalise said the chamber will vote today on a 45-day continuing resolution that would keep the government open until mid-November.

The bill won't contain funding for the war in Ukraine, Scalise said.

Without the Ukraine funding and with hardliner Republicans still opposing a temporary spending bill, its unlikely the measure will pass.

I read that too, but I think it could be wrong. Shutting down over $6 billion for Ukraine?

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Anonymous wrote:At first I thought that everyone should take this clean CR with no Ukraine money. But TBH, the Ra are not going to agree to any of the terms in the final bills so all we’d do is find ourselves in the same position in two weeks. Just rip the bandaid off, shut it down and come up with a budget.

No thanks. Take the CR.

DP - and do this again in 45 days? Ugh.

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We will know in a few minutes

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If a shutdown is avoided—and I think it will be beyond a couple days—Democrats, as usual, will be the heroes.

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Anonymous wrote:At first I thought that everyone should take this clean CR with no Ukraine money. But TBH, the Ra are not going to agree to any of the terms in the final bills so all we’d do is find ourselves in the same position in two weeks. Just rip the bandaid off, shut it down and come up with a budget.

No thanks. Take the CR.

DP - and do this again in 45 days? Ugh.

it’ll be resolved by then.

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Anonymous wrote:We will know in a few minutes

Everyone be optimistic!!

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If this passes the house, how quickly could it move through the senate (if there’s enough support there)? Could it be resolved before monday? There are a bunch of people in my division who are supposed to be flying out tomorrow to attend a week-long conference. I’m sure tomorrow’s flights are a no-go, but how quickly could this get resolved?