To people frustrated with Biden who say they won’t vote in 2024

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of those unlikely to vote if the choice is between Trump and Biden. We need another moderate choice.

+1
Biden can barely speak. Trump can speak but anlmost everything out of his mouth is a lie.

If there is a third party on the ballot in VA i will vote, if not I’ll just watch my kids on their day off.

Throw you opportunity to protect yourself from trump away then. No complaints then when he screws your family over.

My family was more screwed during Biden administration, even though we all voted for him.

Even if you don't have a family member of child bearing age, blowing up roe screwed over everybody. It is a fundamental reduction of basic rights and it infiltrates and it negatively impacts the women's healthcare environment almost everywhere.

My family don't do abortions. Next.

Sure about that?

[Anonymous]

Or, we can follow this path and get more inflation!

because a higher budget deficit, new trade wars and a smaller labor force will make the inflation situation worse rather than better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am very frustrated with Biden now. They all knew at the time when they pushed Obamacare that it will increase the cost of healthcare for all. Now only Elizabeth Warren (who was my first choice) admits this. Biden still has no guts to admit that it was a disaster.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., "is at long last acknowledging that ObamaCare has increased healthcare prices" and created other unintentional consequences, the Wall Street Journal editorial board wrote Friday.

Warren, who has long supported the Affordable Care Act, the official name for ObamaCare, has recently come to an "epiphany" about "industry consolidation and price increases caused by the healthcare law," per The Journal.

You’re intentionally misrepresenting her point, i.e., you’re lying.

“A letter to the Health and Human Services Department inspector general was aimed at determining if "vertically-integrated health care companies are hiking prescription drug costs" and are "evading federal regulations."

In a bipartisan letter, she and Sen. Mike Braun, R-Ind., complained "that the nation’s largest health insurers are dodging Obamacare’s medical loss ratio (MLR)," according to The Journal. […]

In functioning markets, generic drugs cost 80 to 85 percent less than their name-brand equivalents, giving patients much-needed relief from high drug costs and saving taxpayer dollars," Warren wrote. "But patients – including patients in public health care programs like Medicare and Medicaid – who either use or are compelled to use vertically integrated specialty pharmacies are not seeing this relief."

The senators continued: "By owning every link in the chain, a conglomerate like UnitedHealth Group – which includes an insurer, a PBM, a pharmacy, and physician practices – can send inflated medical payments to its pharmacy. Then, by realizing those payments on the pharmacy side – the side that charges for care – rather than the insurance side, the insurance line of business appears to be in compliance with MLR requirements, while keeping more money for itself."” https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/elizabeth-warrens-epiphany-on-obamacares-unintended-consequences-is-overdue-wsj/ar-AA1kB24m

She also wanted single payer, as did most Democrats. The ACA was meant to negotiate with you terrorists.

Tl;dr: you’re probably another Republican posing as a Democrat who wasn’t ever going to vote for Biden. The GOP makes problems. What do you think Trump would do to bring costs down? He didn’t do anything 2017-2021. Maybe he’ll nuke it or use a sharpie?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Or, we can follow this path and get more inflation!

because a higher budget deficit, new trade wars and a smaller labor force will make the inflation situation worse rather than better.

I keep asking the Republicans what they think their party would do better. They don’t offer anything. Just more “buh Biden.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am very frustrated with Biden now. They all knew at the time when they pushed Obamacare that it will increase the cost of healthcare for all. Now only Elizabeth Warren (who was my first choice) admits this. Biden still has no guts to admit that it was a disaster.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., "is at long last acknowledging that ObamaCare has increased healthcare prices" and created other unintentional consequences, the Wall Street Journal editorial board wrote Friday.

Warren, who has long supported the Affordable Care Act, the official name for ObamaCare, has recently come to an "epiphany" about "industry consolidation and price increases caused by the healthcare law," per The Journal.

You’re intentionally misrepresenting her point, i.e., you’re lying.

“A letter to the Health and Human Services Department inspector general was aimed at determining if "vertically-integrated health care companies are hiking prescription drug costs" and are "evading federal regulations."

In a bipartisan letter, she and Sen. Mike Braun, R-Ind., complained "that the nation’s largest health insurers are dodging Obamacare’s medical loss ratio (MLR)," according to The Journal. […]

In functioning markets, generic drugs cost 80 to 85 percent less than their name-brand equivalents, giving patients much-needed relief from high drug costs and saving taxpayer dollars," Warren wrote. "But patients – including patients in public health care programs like Medicare and Medicaid – who either use or are compelled to use vertically integrated specialty pharmacies are not seeing this relief."

The senators continued: "By owning every link in the chain, a conglomerate like UnitedHealth Group – which includes an insurer, a PBM, a pharmacy, and physician practices – can send inflated medical payments to its pharmacy. Then, by realizing those payments on the pharmacy side – the side that charges for care – rather than the insurance side, the insurance line of business appears to be in compliance with MLR requirements, while keeping more money for itself."” https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/elizabeth-warrens-epiphany-on-obamacares-unintended-consequences-is-overdue-wsj/ar-AA1kB24m

She also wanted single payer, as did most Democrats. The ACA was meant to negotiate with you terrorists.

Tl;dr: you’re probably another Republican posing as a Democrat who wasn’t ever going to vote for Biden. The GOP makes problems. What do you think Trump would do to bring costs down? He didn’t do anything 2017-2021. Maybe he’ll nuke it or use a sharpie?

What exactly I misrepresented? Are you saying that under Obamacare people not paying more for their health care? They do. And it was a very well known consequence at the time they were pushing for Obamacare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or, we can follow this path and get more inflation!

because a higher budget deficit, new trade wars and a smaller labor force will make the inflation situation worse rather than better.

I keep asking the Republicans what they think their party would do better. They don’t offer anything. Just more “buh Biden.”

Why do you need to ask Republicans? Why can't you look at the numbers during Trump's administration?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am very frustrated with Biden now. They all knew at the time when they pushed Obamacare that it will increase the cost of healthcare for all. Now only Elizabeth Warren (who was my first choice) admits this. Biden still has no guts to admit that it was a disaster.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., "is at long last acknowledging that ObamaCare has increased healthcare prices" and created other unintentional consequences, the Wall Street Journal editorial board wrote Friday.

Warren, who has long supported the Affordable Care Act, the official name for ObamaCare, has recently come to an "epiphany" about "industry consolidation and price increases caused by the healthcare law," per The Journal.

You’re intentionally misrepresenting her point, i.e., you’re lying.

“A letter to the Health and Human Services Department inspector general was aimed at determining if "vertically-integrated health care companies are hiking prescription drug costs" and are "evading federal regulations."

In a bipartisan letter, she and Sen. Mike Braun, R-Ind., complained "that the nation’s largest health insurers are dodging Obamacare’s medical loss ratio (MLR)," according to The Journal. […]

In functioning markets, generic drugs cost 80 to 85 percent less than their name-brand equivalents, giving patients much-needed relief from high drug costs and saving taxpayer dollars," Warren wrote. "But patients – including patients in public health care programs like Medicare and Medicaid – who either use or are compelled to use vertically integrated specialty pharmacies are not seeing this relief."

The senators continued: "By owning every link in the chain, a conglomerate like UnitedHealth Group – which includes an insurer, a PBM, a pharmacy, and physician practices – can send inflated medical payments to its pharmacy. Then, by realizing those payments on the pharmacy side – the side that charges for care – rather than the insurance side, the insurance line of business appears to be in compliance with MLR requirements, while keeping more money for itself."” https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/elizabeth-warrens-epiphany-on-obamacares-unintended-consequences-is-overdue-wsj/ar-AA1kB24m

She also wanted single payer, as did most Democrats. The ACA was meant to negotiate with you terrorists.

Tl;dr: you’re probably another Republican posing as a Democrat who wasn’t ever going to vote for Biden. The GOP makes problems. What do you think Trump would do to bring costs down? He didn’t do anything 2017-2021. Maybe he’ll nuke it or use a sharpie?

What exactly I misrepresented? Are you saying that under Obamacare people not paying more for their health care? They do. And it was a very well known consequence at the time they were pushing for Obamacare.

Maybe you were still in high school or something, but at the time, the health care sector in the country was on the verge of collapse. Needing to do something, President Obama adopted what had been tested in Massachussetts, known as Romneycare, which was predicated on the Heritage Foundation (ie GOP/right wing) health care plan for the country. Obama and democrats preferred a single payer/universal solution, but in order to get bi-partisan support for health care reform, Obama chose to go with the GOP solution.

If you think it is too expensive, then you don't remember how much our society was subsidizing the under-insured and uninsured. Our societal costs have gone down, even if some individual costs have gone up. So thank you for paying your fair share. If you want further reform, then support the Universal Healthcare solution. Otherwise, what we have is what it is, because what we have is the GOP solution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or, we can follow this path and get more inflation!

because a higher budget deficit, new trade wars and a smaller labor force will make the inflation situation worse rather than better.

I keep asking the Republicans what they think their party would do better. They don’t offer anything. Just more “buh Biden.”

Why do you need to ask Republicans? Why can't you look at the numbers during Trump's administration?

The numbers are better now. Why would anyone ask them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am very frustrated with Biden now. They all knew at the time when they pushed Obamacare that it will increase the cost of healthcare for all. Now only Elizabeth Warren (who was my first choice) admits this. Biden still has no guts to admit that it was a disaster.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., "is at long last acknowledging that ObamaCare has increased healthcare prices" and created other unintentional consequences, the Wall Street Journal editorial board wrote Friday.

Warren, who has long supported the Affordable Care Act, the official name for ObamaCare, has recently come to an "epiphany" about "industry consolidation and price increases caused by the healthcare law," per The Journal.

You’re intentionally misrepresenting her point, i.e., you’re lying.

“A letter to the Health and Human Services Department inspector general was aimed at determining if "vertically-integrated health care companies are hiking prescription drug costs" and are "evading federal regulations."

In a bipartisan letter, she and Sen. Mike Braun, R-Ind., complained "that the nation’s largest health insurers are dodging Obamacare’s medical loss ratio (MLR)," according to The Journal. […]

In functioning markets, generic drugs cost 80 to 85 percent less than their name-brand equivalents, giving patients much-needed relief from high drug costs and saving taxpayer dollars," Warren wrote. "But patients – including patients in public health care programs like Medicare and Medicaid – who either use or are compelled to use vertically integrated specialty pharmacies are not seeing this relief."

The senators continued: "By owning every link in the chain, a conglomerate like UnitedHealth Group – which includes an insurer, a PBM, a pharmacy, and physician practices – can send inflated medical payments to its pharmacy. Then, by realizing those payments on the pharmacy side – the side that charges for care – rather than the insurance side, the insurance line of business appears to be in compliance with MLR requirements, while keeping more money for itself."” https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/elizabeth-warrens-epiphany-on-obamacares-unintended-consequences-is-overdue-wsj/ar-AA1kB24m

She also wanted single payer, as did most Democrats. The ACA was meant to negotiate with you terrorists.

Tl;dr: you’re probably another Republican posing as a Democrat who wasn’t ever going to vote for Biden. The GOP makes problems. What do you think Trump would do to bring costs down? He didn’t do anything 2017-2021. Maybe he’ll nuke it or use a sharpie?

What exactly I misrepresented? Are you saying that under Obamacare people not paying more for their health care? They do. And it was a very well known consequence at the time they were pushing for Obamacare.

So you’re not aware of how you were lying about the meaning of Warren’s statement? A joint statement released with a Republican? No? You’re just going to keep that mental framework in which you can make it seem like she said we’ve gone too far when her larger point is that insurance companies have rigged it.

And she still supports single payer. Republicans just generally don’t want to fix problems. They like to create them, then wallow around in them whining about the problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or, we can follow this path and get more inflation!

because a higher budget deficit, new trade wars and a smaller labor force will make the inflation situation worse rather than better.

I keep asking the Republicans what they think their party would do better. They don’t offer anything. Just more “buh Biden.”

Why do you need to ask Republicans? Why can't you look at the numbers during Trump's administration?

So what do you think Republicans would do to fix health care?

I think Trump promised his plan, two weeks ago…

(This is me mocking Republicans in general but especially the fact that Republicans can’t govern their way out of a paper bag, but they own the media so no one’s going to say that out loud.)

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am very frustrated with Biden now. They all knew at the time when they pushed Obamacare that it will increase the cost of healthcare for all. Now only Elizabeth Warren (who was my first choice) admits this. Biden still has no guts to admit that it was a disaster.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., "is at long last acknowledging that ObamaCare has increased healthcare prices" and created other unintentional consequences, the Wall Street Journal editorial board wrote Friday.

Warren, who has long supported the Affordable Care Act, the official name for ObamaCare, has recently come to an "epiphany" about "industry consolidation and price increases caused by the healthcare law," per The Journal.

You’re intentionally misrepresenting her point, i.e., you’re lying.

“A letter to the Health and Human Services Department inspector general was aimed at determining if "vertically-integrated health care companies are hiking prescription drug costs" and are "evading federal regulations."

In a bipartisan letter, she and Sen. Mike Braun, R-Ind., complained "that the nation’s largest health insurers are dodging Obamacare’s medical loss ratio (MLR)," according to The Journal. […]

In functioning markets, generic drugs cost 80 to 85 percent less than their name-brand equivalents, giving patients much-needed relief from high drug costs and saving taxpayer dollars," Warren wrote. "But patients – including patients in public health care programs like Medicare and Medicaid – who either use or are compelled to use vertically integrated specialty pharmacies are not seeing this relief."

The senators continued: "By owning every link in the chain, a conglomerate like UnitedHealth Group – which includes an insurer, a PBM, a pharmacy, and physician practices – can send inflated medical payments to its pharmacy. Then, by realizing those payments on the pharmacy side – the side that charges for care – rather than the insurance side, the insurance line of business appears to be in compliance with MLR requirements, while keeping more money for itself."” https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/elizabeth-warrens-epiphany-on-obamacares-unintended-consequences-is-overdue-wsj/ar-AA1kB24m

She also wanted single payer, as did most Democrats. The ACA was meant to negotiate with you terrorists.

Tl;dr: you’re probably another Republican posing as a Democrat who wasn’t ever going to vote for Biden. The GOP makes problems. What do you think Trump would do to bring costs down? He didn’t do anything 2017-2021. Maybe he’ll nuke it or use a sharpie?

What exactly I misrepresented? Are you saying that under Obamacare people not paying more for their health care? They do. And it was a very well known consequence at the time they were pushing for Obamacare.

Maybe you were still in high school or something, but at the time, the health care sector in the country was on the verge of collapse. Needing to do something, President Obama adopted what had been tested in Massachussetts, known as Romneycare, which was predicated on the Heritage Foundation (ie GOP/right wing) health care plan for the country. Obama and democrats preferred a single payer/universal solution, but in order to get bi-partisan support for health care reform, Obama chose to go with the GOP solution.

If you think it is too expensive, then you don't remember how much our society was subsidizing the under-insured and uninsured. Our societal costs have gone down, even if some individual costs have gone up. So thank you for paying your fair share. If you want further reform, then support the Universal Healthcare solution. Otherwise, what we have is what it is, because what we have is the GOP solution.

How on Earth do you believe the bolded? Healthcare as an industry was fat and has since gotten fatter.

So much of this board is just the senile rantings of boomer Dems. They have these trite little stories of senior Dem politicians fixing problems that never existed. It’s like they want to be part of those politicians fan clubs, writing fan fiction!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of those unlikely to vote if the choice is between Trump and Biden. We need another moderate choice.

+1
Biden can barely speak. Trump can speak but anlmost everything out of his mouth is a lie.

If there is a third party on the ballot in VA i will vote, if not I’ll just watch my kids on their day off.

Throw you opportunity to protect yourself from trump away then. No complaints then when he screws your family over.

My family was more screwed during Biden administration, even though we all voted for him.

Even if you don't have a family member of child bearing age, blowing up roe screwed over everybody. It is a fundamental reduction of basic rights and it infiltrates and it negatively impacts the women's healthcare environment almost everywhere.

My family don't do abortions. Next.

Sure about that?

100%. I have 9 kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or, we can follow this path and get more inflation!

because a higher budget deficit, new trade wars and a smaller labor force will make the inflation situation worse rather than better.

I keep asking the Republicans what they think their party would do better. They don’t offer anything. Just more “buh Biden.”

Why do you need to ask Republicans? Why can't you look at the numbers during Trump's administration?

So what do you think Republicans would do to fix health care?

I think Trump promised his plan, two weeks ago…

(This is me mocking Republicans in general but especially the fact that Republicans can’t govern their way out of a paper bag, but they own the media so no one’s going to say that out loud.)

Why do you ask what they "would do"? Look at what was done and this will answer your question.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of those unlikely to vote if the choice is between Trump and Biden. We need another moderate choice.

+1
Biden can barely speak. Trump can speak but anlmost everything out of his mouth is a lie.

If there is a third party on the ballot in VA i will vote, if not I’ll just watch my kids on their day off.

Throw you opportunity to protect yourself from trump away then. No complaints then when he screws your family over.

My family was more screwed during Biden administration, even though we all voted for him.

Even if you don't have a family member of child bearing age, blowing up roe screwed over everybody. It is a fundamental reduction of basic rights and it infiltrates and it negatively impacts the women's healthcare environment almost everywhere.

If you want me to vote on that issue, can you point to any legislation that Biden introduced to codify Roe? Did he not have enough time in is 35 years in the Senate?

What is your point? Trump will protect our families from this destructive intrusion better? That is utter nonsense.

The point is that Biden had many chances in his political career to do it right and he failed it. He was given his last chance to do it while a president and he ignored this issue, so it tells me it is not as important to him as to his voters. He failed the entire women electorate.

Holy clueless. Trump was absolutely critical the destruction of roe and brags on and on about it. You are ignorant if you think Biden is the one that is threat to women and not trump.

You all are arguing as if either Trump or Biden should be president for another four year term. Neither should. Old news.