CYA and SYA merger?

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Anonymous wrote:Consolidation should only happen at the MLS (boys) and ECNL (girls) level. At all others levels the more the better from a club perspective. For example, instead of 7 teams, Nova should have no GA teams and only 3 ECNL teams. One based in western Fairfax/ south eastern Loudoun / north western PW. One based in central Fairfax and one based in Arlington/Alex. Parts of BRYC, Metro, and parts of McLean teams would merge. Parts of BRYC, McLean and Arlington would merge and FCV, Loudoun, and VDA reams would merge with cut kids trying out for the other 2 teams. That would result in three strong teams that would be truly “elite” and could compete with best country has to offer and would also attract the best coaches. Meanwhile the rest of the teams get stronger as the cut kids flow down to the normal leagues/teams.

MD should have three as they do now. Pipeline, Bethesda, and United.

Yeah but your looking at it as a soccer situation. The fact is its a money decision.

Loudoun = high income

Mclean = high income

Fairfax = high income

Arlington = high income

This is a gold mine for travel soccer. A very unique situatuatin that isn't found anywhere else in the country. There is more disposable income to tap into therefore we are spread thin on talent due to the Almighty dollar. Some place like the Dallas TX area players will travel farther than from Loudoun to Baltimore to train for a single team. Here the the money is there and says make the trams come to us. Money talks..

Looks like you actually want to see the rich of the rich being able to be in the top teams. Only rich families would be to invest their time driving to practices.

do you really think there are many middle class kids playing ECNL?

And that my friend is why soccer here is so far behind the rest of the world. We have the athletes but the are excluded due to cost. American football and basketball aren't set up to make cost a hurdle to "join the club". And thats why we are great at those spots and average at soccer.

Well, football or basketball are not exactly sports that we compete internationally. Basketball is more international but it is far from the levels of global fandom as soccer. And as far as American Football goes, please, nobody else in the world cares about American football. We are the best because we are the only ones playing the sport. When people try and make this case with American sports they miss the point about the difference between developing for a global sport and developing for a domestic sport. It is a bad idea to try and mimic what works for a domestic sport and project that success as a pathway for developing our players to compete globally.

Yes but our best athletes dont compete in soccer. American football and basketball are financially more rewarding and accesible for our better athletes. Most of the worlds better soccer players come from similar financial backgrounds as our basketball players. Thats because in most of the world they aren't excluded or priced out of it.

Two straw man arguments for the price of one here.

1. 14 year old kids don't pick playing a sport based on its economic return. They are kids. They pick sports they enjoy and excel at. Basketball has a minimum size requirement as a point of entry. Full stop. You can't develop height. Height isn't a skill. Simply put, NBA players are the best of the tallest people who are in 99.9999th percentile of height.

American football, multiple positions that have a variety of size requirements as a point of entry. Some positions have more of a size range than others. Linemen both offensive and defensive ae, not unlike their NBA cousins in the 99th percentile in pure size. I think we can agree that the NFL players who comprise those positions and make up 50% of a NFL roster would not be good at soccer. That leaves running backs, secondary, QB's, and receivers. Nowif you honestly believe that we are not good internationally at soccer is because about 640 people are playing in the NFL that is hilarious.

It’s not 640, it’s thousands at the college level and 10s of thousands at the high school level. It’s also short boys who can be competitive through high school in basketball and boys who choose baseball or lacrosse

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Anonymous wrote:Consolidation should only happen at the MLS (boys) and ECNL (girls) level. At all others levels the more the better from a club perspective. For example, instead of 7 teams, Nova should have no GA teams and only 3 ECNL teams. One based in western Fairfax/ south eastern Loudoun / north western PW. One based in central Fairfax and one based in Arlington/Alex. Parts of BRYC, Metro, and parts of McLean teams would merge. Parts of BRYC, McLean and Arlington would merge and FCV, Loudoun, and VDA reams would merge with cut kids trying out for the other 2 teams. That would result in three strong teams that would be truly “elite” and could compete with best country has to offer and would also attract the best coaches. Meanwhile the rest of the teams get stronger as the cut kids flow down to the normal leagues/teams.

MD should have three as they do now. Pipeline, Bethesda, and United.

Yeah but your looking at it as a soccer situation. The fact is its a money decision.

Loudoun = high income

Mclean = high income

Fairfax = high income

Arlington = high income

This is a gold mine for travel soccer. A very unique situatuatin that isn't found anywhere else in the country. There is more disposable income to tap into therefore we are spread thin on talent due to the Almighty dollar. Some place like the Dallas TX area players will travel farther than from Loudoun to Baltimore to train for a single team. Here the the money is there and says make the trams come to us. Money talks..

Looks like you actually want to see the rich of the rich being able to be in the top teams. Only rich families would be to invest their time driving to practices.

do you really think there are many middle class kids playing ECNL?

And that my friend is why soccer here is so far behind the rest of the world. We have the athletes but the are excluded due to cost. American football and basketball aren't set up to make cost a hurdle to "join the club". And thats why we are great at those spots and average at soccer.

Well, football or basketball are not exactly sports that we compete internationally. Basketball is more international but it is far from the levels of global fandom as soccer. And as far as American Football goes, please, nobody else in the world cares about American football. We are the best because we are the only ones playing the sport. When people try and make this case with American sports they miss the point about the difference between developing for a global sport and developing for a domestic sport. It is a bad idea to try and mimic what works for a domestic sport and project that success as a pathway for developing our players to compete globally.

Yes but our best athletes dont compete in soccer. American football and basketball are financially more rewarding and accesible for our better athletes. Most of the worlds better soccer players come from similar financial backgrounds as our basketball players. Thats because in most of the world they aren't excluded or priced out of it.

Two straw man arguments for the price of one here.

1. 14 year old kids don't pick playing a sport based on its economic return. They are kids. They pick sports they enjoy and excel at. Basketball has a minimum size requirement as a point of entry. Full stop. You can't develop height. Height isn't a skill. Simply put, NBA players are the best of the tallest people who are in 99.9999th percentile of height.

American football, multiple positions that have a variety of size requirements as a point of entry. Some positions have more of a size range than others. Linemen both offensive and defensive ae, not unlike their NBA cousins in the 99th percentile in pure size. I think we can agree that the NFL players who comprise those positions and make up 50% of a NFL roster would not be good at soccer. That leaves running backs, secondary, QB's, and receivers. Nowif you honestly believe that we are not good internationally at soccer is because about 640 people are playing in the NFL that is hilarious.

It’s not 640, it’s thousands at the college level and 10s of thousands at the high school level. It’s also short boys who can be competitive through high school in basketball and boys who choose baseball or lacrosse

Football is actually declining in numbers and has been for the better part of a decade. And whatever the football numbers are cut out at least 50% who are basically to big, and frankly, to fat to ever amount to anything on a soccer field.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/11/08/sports/falling-football-participation-in-america.html

And lets be honest, if you sign up you are on the football team. The bar is pretty low and is only determined by the number of uniforms. There are enough positions for a variety of body types to throw even the most clumsy kid in for a few plays a game.

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Anonymous wrote:Consolidation should only happen at the MLS (boys) and ECNL (girls) level. At all others levels the more the better from a club perspective. For example, instead of 7 teams, Nova should have no GA teams and only 3 ECNL teams. One based in western Fairfax/ south eastern Loudoun / north western PW. One based in central Fairfax and one based in Arlington/Alex. Parts of BRYC, Metro, and parts of McLean teams would merge. Parts of BRYC, McLean and Arlington would merge and FCV, Loudoun, and VDA reams would merge with cut kids trying out for the other 2 teams. That would result in three strong teams that would be truly “elite” and could compete with best country has to offer and would also attract the best coaches. Meanwhile the rest of the teams get stronger as the cut kids flow down to the normal leagues/teams.

MD should have three as they do now. Pipeline, Bethesda, and United.

Yeah but your looking at it as a soccer situation. The fact is its a money decision.

Loudoun = high income

Mclean = high income

Fairfax = high income

Arlington = high income

This is a gold mine for travel soccer. A very unique situatuatin that isn't found anywhere else in the country. There is more disposable income to tap into therefore we are spread thin on talent due to the Almighty dollar. Some place like the Dallas TX area players will travel farther than from Loudoun to Baltimore to train for a single team. Here the the money is there and says make the trams come to us. Money talks..

Looks like you actually want to see the rich of the rich being able to be in the top teams. Only rich families would be to invest their time driving to practices.

do you really think there are many middle class kids playing ECNL?

And that my friend is why soccer here is so far behind the rest of the world. We have the athletes but the are excluded due to cost. American football and basketball aren't set up to make cost a hurdle to "join the club". And thats why we are great at those spots and average at soccer.

AAU basketball isn’t cheap, but there is enough dirty money that the best don’t end up paying anything

Correct. The difference is that there is real money in basketball in the US unlike soccer.

[Anonymous]

+1

60+ players on a roster for about 22 spots in the field. Lots of waste.

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Anonymous wrote:Consolidation should only happen at the MLS (boys) and ECNL (girls) level. At all others levels the more the better from a club perspective. For example, instead of 7 teams, Nova should have no GA teams and only 3 ECNL teams. One based in western Fairfax/ south eastern Loudoun / north western PW. One based in central Fairfax and one based in Arlington/Alex. Parts of BRYC, Metro, and parts of McLean teams would merge. Parts of BRYC, McLean and Arlington would merge and FCV, Loudoun, and VDA reams would merge with cut kids trying out for the other 2 teams. That would result in three strong teams that would be truly “elite” and could compete with best country has to offer and would also attract the best coaches. Meanwhile the rest of the teams get stronger as the cut kids flow down to the normal leagues/teams.

MD should have three as they do now. Pipeline, Bethesda, and United.

Yeah but your looking at it as a soccer situation. The fact is its a money decision.

Loudoun = high income

Mclean = high income

Fairfax = high income

Arlington = high income

This is a gold mine for travel soccer. A very unique situatuatin that isn't found anywhere else in the country. There is more disposable income to tap into therefore we are spread thin on talent due to the Almighty dollar. Some place like the Dallas TX area players will travel farther than from Loudoun to Baltimore to train for a single team. Here the the money is there and says make the trams come to us. Money talks..

Looks like you actually want to see the rich of the rich being able to be in the top teams. Only rich families would be to invest their time driving to practices.

do you really think there are many middle class kids playing ECNL?

And that my friend is why soccer here is so far behind the rest of the world. We have the athletes but the are excluded due to cost. American football and basketball aren't set up to make cost a hurdle to "join the club". And thats why we are great at those spots and average at soccer.

Well, football or basketball are not exactly sports that we compete internationally. Basketball is more international but it is far from the levels of global fandom as soccer. And as far as American Football goes, please, nobody else in the world cares about American football. We are the best because we are the only ones playing the sport. When people try and make this case with American sports they miss the point about the difference between developing for a global sport and developing for a domestic sport. It is a bad idea to try and mimic what works for a domestic sport and project that success as a pathway for developing our players to compete globally.

Yes but our best athletes dont compete in soccer. American football and basketball are financially more rewarding and accesible for our better athletes. Most of the worlds better soccer players come from similar financial backgrounds as our basketball players. Thats because in most of the world they aren't excluded or priced out of it.

Two straw man arguments for the price of one here.

1. 14 year old kids don't pick playing a sport based on its economic return. They are kids. They pick sports they enjoy and excel at. Basketball has a minimum size requirement as a point of entry. Full stop. You can't develop height. Height isn't a skill. Simply put, NBA players are the best of the tallest people who are in 99.9999th percentile of height.

American football, multiple positions that have a variety of size requirements as a point of entry. Some positions have more of a size range than others. Linemen both offensive and defensive ae, not unlike their NBA cousins in the 99th percentile in pure size. I think we can agree that the NFL players who comprise those positions and make up 50% of a NFL roster would not be good at soccer. That leaves running backs, secondary, QB's, and receivers. Nowif you honestly believe that we are not good internationally at soccer is because about 640 people are playing in the NFL that is hilarious.

Possibly the most my naïve post ever. Of course the 14 year old kids pick basketball or football for the money, especially the poor ones. They see their idols on TV they watch them every night and they see how much money they make. that’s exactly why they pick that support. That’s also why poor kids in South America and Europe Pick soccer. Follow the money and you’ll find the world champion. always.

[Anonymous]

The politics at CYA are f’d up. My kids won’t ever do anything else with that organization.

[Anonymous]

Interested to see how much they will charge now.

Without the BS we plan to charge a competitive fee line.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Consolidation should only happen at the MLS (boys) and ECNL (girls) level. At all others levels the more the better from a club perspective. For example, instead of 7 teams, Nova should have no GA teams and only 3 ECNL teams. One based in western Fairfax/ south eastern Loudoun / north western PW. One based in central Fairfax and one based in Arlington/Alex. Parts of BRYC, Metro, and parts of McLean teams would merge. Parts of BRYC, McLean and Arlington would merge and FCV, Loudoun, and VDA reams would merge with cut kids trying out for the other 2 teams. That would result in three strong teams that would be truly “elite” and could compete with best country has to offer and would also attract the best coaches. Meanwhile the rest of the teams get stronger as the cut kids flow down to the normal leagues/teams.

MD should have three as they do now. Pipeline, Bethesda, and United.

Yeah but your looking at it as a soccer situation. The fact is its a money decision.

Loudoun = high income

Mclean = high income

Fairfax = high income

Arlington = high income

This is a gold mine for travel soccer. A very unique situatuatin that isn't found anywhere else in the country. There is more disposable income to tap into therefore we are spread thin on talent due to the Almighty dollar. Some place like the Dallas TX area players will travel farther than from Loudoun to Baltimore to train for a single team. Here the the money is there and says make the trams come to us. Money talks..

Looks like you actually want to see the rich of the rich being able to be in the top teams. Only rich families would be to invest their time driving to practices.

do you really think there are many middle class kids playing ECNL?

Clubs do offer scholarships, many clubs in this area will not turn down a player that can’t afford to play.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The politics at CYA are f’d up. My kids won’t ever do anything else with that organization.

+1

[Anonymous]

This epic merger of two mediocre clubs will take mediocrity to all new levels. Valor will be valiant at providing easy wins for the myriad better clubs , and the larger player pool will create many more opportunities for them to lose players to those clubs the second they show any symptom of above average ability

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This epic merger of two mediocre clubs will take mediocrity to all new levels. Valor will be valiant at providing easy wins for the myriad better clubs , and the larger player pool will create many more opportunities for them to lose players to those clubs the second they show any symptom of above average ability

People seem to get so butt hurt by what other clubs do. I just don’t understand this mentality.

Serious question, you obviously have your kid in a club where you are happy. Exactly what does mocking or running another club down do for you? If your kid plays for a competing club I have news that may surprise you, your kid is at the same “mediocre” level as CYA/SYA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Consolidation should only happen at the MLS (boys) and ECNL (girls) level. At all others levels the more the better from a club perspective. For example, instead of 7 teams, Nova should have no GA teams and only 3 ECNL teams. One based in western Fairfax/ south eastern Loudoun / north western PW. One based in central Fairfax and one based in Arlington/Alex. Parts of BRYC, Metro, and parts of McLean teams would merge. Parts of BRYC, McLean and Arlington would merge and FCV, Loudoun, and VDA reams would merge with cut kids trying out for the other 2 teams. That would result in three strong teams that would be truly “elite” and could compete with best country has to offer and would also attract the best coaches. Meanwhile the rest of the teams get stronger as the cut kids flow down to the normal leagues/teams.

MD should have three as they do now. Pipeline, Bethesda, and United.

Yeah but your looking at it as a soccer situation. The fact is its a money decision.

Loudoun = high income

Mclean = high income

Fairfax = high income

Arlington = high income

This is a gold mine for travel soccer. A very unique situatuatin that isn't found anywhere else in the country. There is more disposable income to tap into therefore we are spread thin on talent due to the Almighty dollar. Some place like the Dallas TX area players will travel farther than from Loudoun to Baltimore to train for a single team. Here the the money is there and says make the trams come to us. Money talks..

Looks like you actually want to see the rich of the rich being able to be in the top teams. Only rich families would be to invest their time driving to practices.

do you really think there are many middle class kids playing ECNL?

And that my friend is why soccer here is so far behind the rest of the world. We have the athletes but the are excluded due to cost. American football and basketball aren't set up to make cost a hurdle to "join the club". And thats why we are great at those spots and average at soccer.

Well, football or basketball are not exactly sports that we compete internationally. Basketball is more international but it is far from the levels of global fandom as soccer. And as far as American Football goes, please, nobody else in the world cares about American football. We are the best because we are the only ones playing the sport. When people try and make this case with American sports they miss the point about the difference between developing for a global sport and developing for a domestic sport. It is a bad idea to try and mimic what works for a domestic sport and project that success as a pathway for developing our players to compete globally.

Yes but our best athletes dont compete in soccer. American football and basketball are financially more rewarding and accesible for our better athletes. Most of the worlds better soccer players come from similar financial backgrounds as our basketball players. Thats because in most of the world they aren't excluded or priced out of it.

Two straw man arguments for the price of one here.

1. 14 year old kids don't pick playing a sport based on its economic return. They are kids. They pick sports they enjoy and excel at. Basketball has a minimum size requirement as a point of entry. Full stop. You can't develop height. Height isn't a skill. Simply put, NBA players are the best of the tallest people who are in 99.9999th percentile of height.

American football, multiple positions that have a variety of size requirements as a point of entry. Some positions have more of a size range than others. Linemen both offensive and defensive ae, not unlike their NBA cousins in the 99th percentile in pure size. I think we can agree that the NFL players who comprise those positions and make up 50% of a NFL roster would not be good at soccer. That leaves running backs, secondary, QB's, and receivers. Nowif you honestly believe that we are not good internationally at soccer is because about 640 people are playing in the NFL that is hilarious.

Possibly the most my naïve post ever. Of course the 14 year old kids pick basketball or football for the money, especially the poor ones. They see their idols on TV they watch them every night and they see how much money they make. that’s exactly why they pick that support. That’s also why poor kids in South America and Europe Pick soccer. Follow the money and you’ll find the world champion. always.

Imagine if Allen iverson or John wall played basketball their whole lives...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Consolidation should only happen at the MLS (boys) and ECNL (girls) level. At all others levels the more the better from a club perspective. For example, instead of 7 teams, Nova should have no GA teams and only 3 ECNL teams. One based in western Fairfax/ south eastern Loudoun / north western PW. One based in central Fairfax and one based in Arlington/Alex. Parts of BRYC, Metro, and parts of McLean teams would merge. Parts of BRYC, McLean and Arlington would merge and FCV, Loudoun, and VDA reams would merge with cut kids trying out for the other 2 teams. That would result in three strong teams that would be truly “elite” and could compete with best country has to offer and would also attract the best coaches. Meanwhile the rest of the teams get stronger as the cut kids flow down to the normal leagues/teams.

MD should have three as they do now. Pipeline, Bethesda, and United.

Yeah but your looking at it as a soccer situation. The fact is its a money decision.

Loudoun = high income

Mclean = high income

Fairfax = high income

Arlington = high income

This is a gold mine for travel soccer. A very unique situatuatin that isn't found anywhere else in the country. There is more disposable income to tap into therefore we are spread thin on talent due to the Almighty dollar. Some place like the Dallas TX area players will travel farther than from Loudoun to Baltimore to train for a single team. Here the the money is there and says make the trams come to us. Money talks..

Looks like you actually want to see the rich of the rich being able to be in the top teams. Only rich families would be to invest their time driving to practices.

do you really think there are many middle class kids playing ECNL?

Clubs do offer scholarships, many clubs in this area will not turn down a player that can’t afford to play.

VDA is in prince William county and Richmond is in Richmond...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This epic merger of two mediocre clubs will take mediocrity to all new levels. Valor will be valiant at providing easy wins for the myriad better clubs , and the larger player pool will create many more opportunities for them to lose players to those clubs the second they show any symptom of above average ability

People seem to get so butt hurt by what other clubs do. I just don’t understand this mentality.

Serious question, you obviously have your kid in a club where you are happy. Exactly what does mocking or running another club down do for you? If your kid plays for a competing club I have news that may surprise you, your kid is at the same “mediocre” level as CYA/SYA.

I don't think he's butt hurt - at least he didn't come across that way to me. I don't know much about SYA, but I do know that CYA is a failing club. CYA is struggling because it has lost a lot of players. It lacks this base not for some fundamental reason tied to location or accessible market - it was a perfectly healthy club only four or five years ago - but because it does a lot of things wrong. I presume from some of the comments that SYA also has some problems. What this poster is saying is that merging two failing clubs doesn't magically create a successful club unless you also do something to solve the issues. I don't think CYA has even got to the stage where it can acknowledge what its issues are, so unless this is actually a takeover rather than a merger I see little hope of things getting better and suspect that the PP is correct - merging two failing clubs will just produce a larger club which will also fail for the same reasons the current ones do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This epic merger of two mediocre clubs will take mediocrity to all new levels. Valor will be valiant at providing easy wins for the myriad better clubs , and the larger player pool will create many more opportunities for them to lose players to those clubs the second they show any symptom of above average ability

People seem to get so butt hurt by what other clubs do. I just don’t understand this mentality.

Serious question, you obviously have your kid in a club where you are happy. Exactly what does mocking or running another club down do for you? If your kid plays for a competing club I have news that may surprise you, your kid is at the same “mediocre” level as CYA/SYA.

I don't think he's butt hurt - at least he didn't come across that way to me. I don't know much about SYA, but I do know that CYA is a failing club. CYA is struggling because it has lost a lot of players. It lacks this base not for some fundamental reason tied to location or accessible market - it was a perfectly healthy club only four or five years ago - but because it does a lot of things wrong. I presume from some of the comments that SYA also has some problems. What this poster is saying is that merging two failing clubs doesn't magically create a successful club unless you also do something to solve the issues. I don't think CYA has even got to the stage where it can acknowledge what its issues are, so unless this is actually a takeover rather than a merger I see little hope of things getting better and suspect that the PP is correct - merging two failing clubs will just produce a larger club which will also fail for the same reasons the current ones do.

I don't agree. Will CYA/SYA ever be an elite club? No, but it doesn't have to be one either to be successful. There are lots of kids who just want to play competitively but who also have no ambition beyond local/regional leagues and playing in High School. A club that focuses on a tight geographic area can become a very successful club as long as it knows what it is and is not.