More defections from DA to ECNL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1. Women's side is doing just fine? Look at recent performances from U17, U20, WNT and so on. The U20s lost big time to the Netherlands, niether the U17s nor the U20s were serious WC contenders. The WNT y beat Spain. Spain! That would have been unthinkable 10 years ago.

2. Anyone who tries to argue that a fall season + high school is as good for you developmentally as a full year of club soccer is confused. Anyone who thinks 3 days of games in a row is good for you is also confused. DA showcases require a day off. Is that harder to schedule? Sure, but playing Friday, Saturday, Sunday, or playing 2 games Saturday or Sunday leads to overuse injuries - big and small.

3. The ECNL has establishment on its side. It's been here. It's also much better at marketing, but none of those are good reasons to prevail.

I want to see the 2 consolidate, but in the end I don't care ho good PDA is or even Nationals. I just want to see my daughter become the best version of herself she can. I know she has grown so much more in the DA, than she ever could with ECNL + high school + even ODP. That's all I care about.

Leagues consolidating will not make your child the best version of herself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ECNL is obsolete because US Soccer decided they wanted to run a league? In what other country does the national soccer governing body run the top youth league? I guess all of the clubs leaving the DA to go to ECNL missed your memo.

PP pointing out leagues do not produce players could not be more correct.

In every other country the national soccer governing body determines how the leagues are run.

Only in the US do pay-to-pay youth clubs have such power.

[Anonymous]

This is not even close to being true. You do not have a clue. The clubs make the decisions on league play. La Liga is La Liga, it is not the national federation.

Regarding pay to play. Do you understand how much time ECNL/DA coaches take to plan training and games? How about the travel and time away from their own families? They should do this for free? Without massive corporate sponsorship, full funding is not realistic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. Women's side is doing just fine? Look at recent performances from U17, U20, WNT and so on. The U20s lost big time to the Netherlands, niether the U17s nor the U20s were serious WC contenders. The WNT y beat Spain. Spain! That would have been unthinkable 10 years ago.

2. Anyone who tries to argue that a fall season + high school is as good for you developmentally as a full year of club soccer is confused. Anyone who thinks 3 days of games in a row is good for you is also confused. DA showcases require a day off. Is that harder to schedule? Sure, but playing Friday, Saturday, Sunday, or playing 2 games Saturday or Sunday leads to overuse injuries - big and small.

3. The ECNL has establishment on its side. It's been here. It's also much better at marketing, but none of those are good reasons to prevail.

I want to see the 2 consolidate, but in the end I don't care ho good PDA is or even Nationals. I just want to see my daughter become the best version of herself she can. I know she has grown so much more in the DA, than she ever could with ECNL + high school + even ODP. That's all I care about.

Leagues consolidating will not make your child the best version of herself.

You missed the point. Typical. Whether they do or don't, she improved far more in the DA than she did or could in the ECNL by dropping high school and playing club ball for longer.

Consolidation of talent is a separate issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is not even close to being true. You do not have a clue. The clubs make the decisions on league play. La Liga is La Liga, it is not the national federation.

Regarding pay to play. Do you understand how much time ECNL/DA coaches take to plan training and games? How about the travel and time away from their own families? They should do this for free? Without massive corporate sponsorship, full funding is not realistic.

Done. They hate the travel. The players families hate the travel. Get rid of much of the wasteful dumb travel. Win win.

Doesn't make anyone a better player, too expensive and no one wants to do it

[Anonymous]

Get rid of the travel and have coaches work for free? Administrators work for free? Field use and maintenance for free? This sounds great and realistic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. Women's side is doing just fine? Look at recent performances from U17, U20, WNT and so on. The U20s lost big time to the Netherlands, niether the U17s nor the U20s were serious WC contenders. The WNT y beat Spain. Spain! That would have been unthinkable 10 years ago.

2. Anyone who tries to argue that a fall season + high school is as good for you developmentally as a full year of club soccer is confused. Anyone who thinks 3 days of games in a row is good for you is also confused. DA showcases require a day off. Is that harder to schedule? Sure, but playing Friday, Saturday, Sunday, or playing 2 games Saturday or Sunday leads to overuse injuries - big and small.

3. The ECNL has establishment on its side. It's been here. It's also much better at marketing, but none of those are good reasons to prevail.

I want to see the 2 consolidate, but in the end I don't care ho good PDA is or even Nationals. I just want to see my daughter become the best version of herself she can. I know she has grown so much more in the DA, than she ever could with ECNL + high school + even ODP. That's all I care about.

Leagues consolidating will not make your child the best version of herself.

You missed the point. Typical. Whether they do or don't, she improved far more in the DA than she did or could in the ECNL by dropping high school and playing club ball for longer.

Consolidation of talent is a separate issue.

Maybe so. It is hard to say that more training does not help in any sport.

But, at some point it is not just about that. The experience of HS soccer is important and memorable for girls and from a holistic perspective many think it is healthier for players not destined for NT. Which is most of them.

You may not agree for your DD. Vive la difference. It is great to have a choice. One is not better than the other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is not even close to being true. You do not have a clue. The clubs make the decisions on league play. La Liga is La Liga, it is not the national federation.

Regarding pay to play. Do you understand how much time ECNL/DA coaches take to plan training and games? How about the travel and time away from their own families? They should do this for free? Without massive corporate sponsorship, full funding is not realistic.

Wasn't arguing anyone should work for free.

As for the rest of your post, they say ignorance is bliss, so I'll leave you to your happiness.

[Anonymous]

I'm not missing the point. You want your daughter to be the best soccer player she can be and you like the DA model.

Did I miss anything?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. Women's side is doing just fine? Look at recent performances from U17, U20, WNT and so on. The U20s lost big time to the Netherlands, niether the U17s nor the U20s were serious WC contenders. The WNT y beat Spain. Spain! That would have been unthinkable 10 years ago.

2. Anyone who tries to argue that a fall season + high school is as good for you developmentally as a full year of club soccer is confused. Anyone who thinks 3 days of games in a row is good for you is also confused. DA showcases require a day off. Is that harder to schedule? Sure, but playing Friday, Saturday, Sunday, or playing 2 games Saturday or Sunday leads to overuse injuries - big and small.

3. The ECNL has establishment on its side. It's been here. It's also much better at marketing, but none of those are good reasons to prevail.

I want to see the 2 consolidate, but in the end I don't care ho good PDA is or even Nationals. I just want to see my daughter become the best version of herself she can. I know she has grown so much more in the DA, than she ever could with ECNL + high school + even ODP. That's all I care about.

Leagues consolidating will not make your child the best version of herself.

You missed the point. Typical. Whether they do or don't, she improved far more in the DA than she did or could in the ECNL by dropping high school and playing club ball for longer.

Consolidation of talent is a separate issue.

Maybe so. It is hard to say that more training does not help in any sport.

But, at some point it is not just about that. The experience of HS soccer is important and memorable for girls and from a holistic perspective many think it is healthier for players not destined for NT. Which is most of them.

You may not agree for your DD. Vive la difference. It is great to have a choice. One is not better than the other.

Sure, I agree to care about high school soccer or not is a personal choice. Some kids long for high school soccer and whatever social experience it represents for them. Others find that bond with their club teammates. As long as it is the player's decision, neither is wrong or right. So all these crappy threads rehashing it should accept that and move on.

That said, no one though would say that less training helps in any sport. Too many training hours in a day or week? Sure, but half year vs whole year aren't the same. Some kids are in multiple sports too, and that's fine, but it's not the same as a soccer junkie who just wants soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not even close to being true. You do not have a clue. The clubs make the decisions on league play. La Liga is La Liga, it is not the national federation.

Regarding pay to play. Do you understand how much time ECNL/DA coaches take to plan training and games? How about the travel and time away from their own families? They should do this for free? Without massive corporate sponsorship, full funding is not realistic.

Wasn't arguing anyone should work for free.

As for the rest of your post, they say ignorance is bliss, so I'll leave you to your happiness.

Ignorance is bliss? If only you had a clue...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. Women's side is doing just fine? Look at recent performances from U17, U20, WNT and so on. The U20s lost big time to the Netherlands, niether the U17s nor the U20s were serious WC contenders. The WNT y beat Spain. Spain! That would have been unthinkable 10 years ago.

2. Anyone who tries to argue that a fall season + high school is as good for you developmentally as a full year of club soccer is confused. Anyone who thinks 3 days of games in a row is good for you is also confused. DA showcases require a day off. Is that harder to schedule? Sure, but playing Friday, Saturday, Sunday, or playing 2 games Saturday or Sunday leads to overuse injuries - big and small.

3. The ECNL has establishment on its side. It's been here. It's also much better at marketing, but none of those are good reasons to prevail.

I want to see the 2 consolidate, but in the end I don't care ho good PDA is or even Nationals. I just want to see my daughter become the best version of herself she can. I know she has grown so much more in the DA, than she ever could with ECNL + high school + even ODP. That's all I care about.

Leagues consolidating will not make your child the best version of herself.

You missed the point. Typical. Whether they do or don't, she improved far more in the DA than she did or could in the ECNL by dropping high school and playing club ball for longer.

Consolidation of talent is a separate issue.

Maybe so. It is hard to say that more training does not help in any sport.

But, at some point it is not just about that. The experience of HS soccer is important and memorable for girls and from a holistic perspective many think it is healthier for players not destined for NT. Which is most of them.

You may not agree for your DD. Vive la difference. It is great to have a choice. One is not better than the other.

Sure, I agree to care about high school soccer or not is a personal choice. Some kids long for high school soccer and whatever social experience it represents for them. Others find that bond with their club teammates. As long as it is the player's decision, neither is wrong or right. So all these crappy threads rehashing it should accept that and move on.

That said, no one though would say that less training helps in any sport. Too many training hours in a day or week? Sure, but half year vs whole year aren't the same. Some kids are in multiple sports too, and that's fine, but it's not the same as a soccer junkie who just wants soccer.

To be fair, ecnl does not stop dead during hs season. The training routine at our club is the same 9-10 months per year. Its only the game schedule that reduces.

[Anonymous]

DA's impending drop of the prohibition on HS soccer will make all of this a moot point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a nut job because I produced a valid counter point. Now you're BIG mad.

Go read your book called " who moved the cheese". I'm not interested in your 7th grade mentality.

Nope, you're a nutjob because you manufacture opposing arguments from thin air. Then you respond with condescension. You don't want to get together to chat about this? Typical.

The point that ECNL is obsolete has yet to be challenged. This isn't socialist, it's just fact. There's already a plentiful market of options out there, including DA and ECNL. ECNL can stick around and US Soccer can claim what's theirs, the NT births. You seem personally slighted by this. Then, the market can decide where they want to play.

Take a look at the Northeast Division in both leagues.... GDA is pretty much dead. I live in MA... none of the YNT kids from our state play for GDA teams (i'm talking about rostered kids--not ones that get a camp invite). zero. 3-4 are ECNL, one is NPL (although her club is getting GDA next year). She is a 15 year old who is currently playing up on the U18 NT--they would take her no matter what league she decides to play in....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DA's impending drop of the prohibition on HS soccer will make all of this a moot point.

No it wont.

Clubs didnt leave because of HS.

They left for various reasons

#1 cost.
#2 control

DA players playing HS still have to miss the season. So why play DA?

So what's the difference now? Sub rules?