Surviving R. Kelly

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Anonymous wrote:I’m on the 2nd episode and the abuse is sickening. But the age of some of these women was 17, 18. I knew exactly what I was doing at 15 and 16. Maybe I didn’t understand the consequences of my actions, but I knew what my body was capable of and what I could elicit from adult married men. Wtf is wrong with me that I can’t help but think they allowed these things because they wanted something from him. They were old enough to know better. Am I a sicko too?

Yes, you are, and you are also despicable for saying children allowed a man to rape them. Hopefully you don't have children of your own.

+1. Teenagers have hormones that make them sexual, but they are not mature enough to handle a grown man. And children, especially kids from rough upbringings, crave positive adult attention. You take a girl from a difficult home environment and suggest to her that sex can make her get adult male attention (which is severely lacking in many poor homes, which tend to be headed by a single parent) and they will do it. You don't have any concept of the voids created by difficult childhoods-- or you wouldn't be saying it. It's like saying a starving prostitute is doing it because she *wants* to. It is exploitation of our most vulnerable population and your lack of empathy is sick, sick, sick. Please reflect on why it is wrong to exploit vulnerable teen girls.

I'm the sicko... thank you for pointing out and making me think this through. Sometimes I think my own maturity was stunted, since I got married and had a child myself at age 16. (We've been married 30+ years and have a healthy and happy 3 kids.) I tend to imagine everyone's situation into my own experience - we intentionally planned the pregnancy because "we were so in love: and he was leaving for the military. Even though I realize how hard things would be, or the sacrifices we both made, I knew what I was doing and that it would have consequences. (Only a 5 year age gap between us, though I was probably more mature than he was.) But I didn't consider he was preying on girls with voids, as you state. While my childhood was far from perfect, I wasn't running from anything. I also don't lack compassion or empathy, though.

oops, meant to say I DID NOT realize or foresee how hard the future would be compared to growing up, going to college, etc....

A 21 year old man should not be messing around with a 16 year old child. It is predatory, and you definitely lack empathy. You are blaming children, saying they allowed him to rape them. You are delusional!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m on the 2nd episode and the abuse is sickening. But the age of some of these women was 17, 18. I knew exactly what I was doing at 15 and 16. Maybe I didn’t understand the consequences of my actions, but I knew what my body was capable of and what I could elicit from adult married men. Wtf is wrong with me that I can’t help but think they allowed these things because they wanted something from him. They were old enough to know better. Am I a sicko too?

Yes, you are, and you are also despicable for saying children allowed a man to rape them. Hopefully you don't have children of your own.

+1. Teenagers have hormones that make them sexual, but they are not mature enough to handle a grown man. And children, especially kids from rough upbringings, crave positive adult attention. You take a girl from a difficult home environment and suggest to her that sex can make her get adult male attention (which is severely lacking in many poor homes, which tend to be headed by a single parent) and they will do it. You don't have any concept of the voids created by difficult childhoods-- or you wouldn't be saying it. It's like saying a starving prostitute is doing it because she *wants* to. It is exploitation of our most vulnerable population and your lack of empathy is sick, sick, sick. Please reflect on why it is wrong to exploit vulnerable teen girls.

I'm the sicko... thank you for pointing out and making me think this through. Sometimes I think my own maturity was stunted, since I got married and had a child myself at age 16. (We've been married 30+ years and have a healthy and happy 3 kids.) I tend to imagine everyone's situation into my own experience - we intentionally planned the pregnancy because "we were so in love: and he was leaving for the military. Even though I realize how hard things would be, or the sacrifices we both made, I knew what I was doing and that it would have consequences. (Only a 5 year age gap between us, though I was probably more mature than he was.) But I didn't consider he was preying on girls with voids, as you state. While my childhood was far from perfect, I wasn't running from anything. I also don't lack compassion or empathy, though.

oops, meant to say I DID NOT realize or foresee how hard the future would be compared to growing up, going to college, etc....

A 21 year old man should not be messing around with a 16 year old child. It is predatory, and you definitely lack empathy. You are blaming children, saying they allowed him to rape them. You are delusional!

Oh geez, calm down Francis. I was typing on my phone and unfortunately can't go back to edit to make it clearer.... I WAS SINCERELY TELLING THE PP THANK YOU FOR enlightening me. I had not considered that R. Kelly targeted girls with shitty upbringings so that post was helpful for me to clarify and possibly understand. Unlike your last post which is not helpful or relevant at all. Have a super day sunshine!

[Anonymous]

September 20, 2018
In 1957, 23 year old Jerry Lee Lewis married his cousin, 13 year old Myra Brown. She still believed in Santa.

In 1959, Elvis Presley met his future wife. He was 25 and she was 14.
In 1975, Steven Tyler purchased the guardianship of a 16 year old girl (Julia Holcomb) from her mother when he was 27 so that he could legally take her with him across state lines while he was on tour.

Colored over a "grand romance" and a "decades long relationship", Celine Dion was 12 years old when 38 year old Rene Angelil became her manager. They went public with their relationship when she was 19.

In 1984, Rolling Stones bassist Bill Wyman started dating Mandy Smith. She was 13. Although they did not marry until she was 18, Mandy says she was 14 when they first had sex. Mr. Wyman has never been investigated, much less prosecuted.

In 1991, 32 year old director Luc Besson met and eventually married model Maïwenn Le Besco when she was 15. Their relationship inspired his movie Léon: The Professional (1994), which followed an emotional relationship between an adult man and a young girl.

In 1993, Jerry Seinfeld picked up a high school student in a public park. He was 39 and she was 17. He and Shoshanna Lonstein dated for four years -- through her college years.

Noted pedophile R Kelley secretly married R&B singer Aaliyah in 1994 when she was 15 and he was 27. They met when she was 14 and he helped write and produce her first album -- "Age Ain't Nothing but a Number."

In 1997, Woody Allen should have become notorious when he married his step-daughter. Though she was 21 at the time of the wedding, the two met when she 8. No matter the spin, the facts are stark.

It's the early-mid 2000s and "That 70s Show" actor, Wilmer Valderrama, continues to date teenage girls in an effort to deny that he is now over 30. He dated 16-year-old Mandy Moore despite being four years her senior. At age 24, Valderrama dated 17-year-old Lindsay Lohan though they kept the relationship a secret until her 18th birthday in 2004. In 2010, the 30-year-old began dating 17-year-old Demi Lovato.

Back in 2004, 26 year old Joel Madden and Hilary Duff did the familiar dance of being "just friends" until her 18th birthday in 2006.

Rapper Tyga and Kylie Jenner began "hanging out" an awful lot beginning in 2014 when she was 16 and he was 24. They dated on and off after that, though they became a lot more openly "on" after her 18th birthday in 2016.

2018 -- yesterday, 14 year old Millie Bobby Brown innocently revealed that rapper, Drake, age 31, has been with her, for the last year giving her advice about boys. They are friends, she says. He texts her, "I miss you." This is the same Drake who has, more than once, skated around that "just friends until she turns 18" line -- most recently with 18 year old model Bella Harris.

Guys, this isn't a friendship. This is GROOMING. No one will stop it. They'll "date." He'll have sex with her, probably in a couple of years. No one will care because he's a man and a star.

NO ONE WILL CARE UNLESS WE START MAKING PEOPLE CARE.

Make them care. No free passes. No 2nd chances (one little girl is all you get, boys.) A ruined career is the least they deserve. It's not cute. THIS IS NOT OK.

~ Verity Violet

[Anonymous]

Finally some consequences

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Dateline will have a show about him tonight. They say they have a new person, a former intern, sharing her story. His lawyer will be allowed to speak on his behalf. His former manager turned himself in in Georgia for allegedly threatening Mr. Savage.

[Anonymous]

I watched the whole series and it was horrific what this man got away with for so long. How does our society continue to elevate such horrible people? I could not help but put myself in the shoes of some of those parents and wonder what I could do to get my child out of that kind of situation. I hope all these people all sue R. Kelly and suck every penny out of him.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m on the 2nd episode and the abuse is sickening. But the age of some of these women was 17, 18. I knew exactly what I was doing at 15 and 16. Maybe I didn’t understand the consequences of my actions, but I knew what my body was capable of and what I could elicit from adult married men. Wtf is wrong with me that I can’t help but think they allowed these things because they wanted something from him. They were old enough to know better. Am I a sicko too?

Yes, you are, and you are also despicable for saying children allowed a man to rape them. Hopefully you don't have children of your own.

+1. Teenagers have hormones that make them sexual, but they are not mature enough to handle a grown man. And children, especially kids from rough upbringings, crave positive adult attention. You take a girl from a difficult home environment and suggest to her that sex can make her get adult male attention (which is severely lacking in many poor homes, which tend to be headed by a single parent) and they will do it. You don't have any concept of the voids created by difficult childhoods-- or you wouldn't be saying it. It's like saying a starving prostitute is doing it because she *wants* to. It is exploitation of our most vulnerable population and your lack of empathy is sick, sick, sick. Please reflect on why it is wrong to exploit vulnerable teen girls.

I'm the sicko... thank you for pointing out and making me think this through. Sometimes I think my own maturity was stunted, since I got married and had a child myself at age 16. (We've been married 30+ years and have a healthy and happy 3 kids.) I tend to imagine everyone's situation into my own experience - we intentionally planned the pregnancy because "we were so in love: and he was leaving for the military. Even though I realize how hard things would be, or the sacrifices we both made, I knew what I was doing and that it would have consequences. (Only a 5 year age gap between us, though I was probably more mature than he was.) But I didn't consider he was preying on girls with voids, as you state. While my childhood was far from perfect, I wasn't running from anything. I also don't lack compassion or empathy, though.

oops, meant to say I DID NOT realize or foresee how hard the future would be compared to growing up, going to college, etc....

A 21 year old man should not be messing around with a 16 year old child. It is predatory, and you definitely lack empathy. You are blaming children, saying they allowed him to rape them. You are delusional!

Pp you misunderstood that poster. She was trying to apologize. However, you said something beneficial that truly resonated with me. When I was 16, I was pursued by a 21 year old. Although I had previous boyfriends my own age that wanted sex, I never gave in. But I eventually did to this 21 year old after about a month. I thought he was everything and he was nothing. He took advantage of my vulnerability (living with relatives that weren’t my parents) and my naitivity. He took something’ so precious to me. Even when it happened it was under this guise of “just the tip” and before I knew it, it was happening. Although I didn’t plan to wait for marriage I was holding out for a fairytale romance. He was definitely a user and had many girls, not just me. I later felt victimized and wondered how the adults in my life ever allowed this relationship to happen. When I articulated this to my family members they looked at me as if I had two heads. They obviously thought I was to blame for allowing the relationship to happen and felt that I should’ve been able to make wiser decisions. So many bad things happened to me because of him. I thank God that after about 7 years I finally got away from him. Thank you for saying that at 16, I was a child. I needed to hear that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m on the 2nd episode and the abuse is sickening. But the age of some of these women was 17, 18. I knew exactly what I was doing at 15 and 16. Maybe I didn’t understand the consequences of my actions, but I knew what my body was capable of and what I could elicit from adult married men. Wtf is wrong with me that I can’t help but think they allowed these things because they wanted something from him. They were old enough to know better. Am I a sicko too?

Yes, you are, and you are also despicable for saying children allowed a man to rape them. Hopefully you don't have children of your own.

+1. Teenagers have hormones that make them sexual, but they are not mature enough to handle a grown man. And children, especially kids from rough upbringings, crave positive adult attention. You take a girl from a difficult home environment and suggest to her that sex can make her get adult male attention (which is severely lacking in many poor homes, which tend to be headed by a single parent) and they will do it. You don't have any concept of the voids created by difficult childhoods-- or you wouldn't be saying it. It's like saying a starving prostitute is doing it because she *wants* to. It is exploitation of our most vulnerable population and your lack of empathy is sick, sick, sick. Please reflect on why it is wrong to exploit vulnerable teen girls.

I'm the sicko... thank you for pointing out and making me think this through. Sometimes I think my own maturity was stunted, since I got married and had a child myself at age 16. (We've been married 30+ years and have a healthy and happy 3 kids.) I tend to imagine everyone's situation into my own experience - we intentionally planned the pregnancy because "we were so in love: and he was leaving for the military. Even though I realize how hard things would be, or the sacrifices we both made, I knew what I was doing and that it would have consequences. (Only a 5 year age gap between us, though I was probably more mature than he was.) But I didn't consider he was preying on girls with voids, as you state. While my childhood was far from perfect, I wasn't running from anything. I also don't lack compassion or empathy, though.

oops, meant to say I DID NOT realize or foresee how hard the future would be compared to growing up, going to college, etc....

A 21 year old man should not be messing around with a 16 year old child. It is predatory, and you definitely lack empathy. You are blaming children, saying they allowed him to rape them. You are delusional!

Pp you misunderstood that poster. She was trying to apologize. However, you said something beneficial that truly resonated with me. When I was 16, I was pursued by a 21 year old. Although I had previous boyfriends my own age that wanted sex, I never gave in. But I eventually did to this 21 year old after about a month. I thought he was everything and he was nothing. He took advantage of my vulnerability (living with relatives that weren’t my parents) and my naitivity. He took something’ so precious to me. Even when it happened it was under this guise of “just the tip” and before I knew it, it was happening. Although I didn’t plan to wait for marriage I was holding out for a fairytale romance. He was definitely a user and had many girls, not just me. I later felt victimized and wondered how the adults in my life ever allowed this relationship to happen. When I articulated this to my family members they looked at me as if I had two heads. They obviously thought I was to blame for allowing the relationship to happen and felt that I should’ve been able to make wiser decisions. So many bad things happened to me because of him. I thank God that after about 7 years I finally got away from him. Thank you for saying that at 16, I was a child. I needed to hear that.

I'm sorry that happened to you, and that your family wasn't supportive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Finally some consequences

That's a great start!

[Anonymous]

So nobody thinks he has anything to do with Aaliyah’s death? I think he 100% does. I’d be SHOCKED if it were proved otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:So nobody thinks he has anything to do with Aaliyah’s death? I think he 100% does. I’d be SHOCKED if it were proved otherwise.

But she died in a plane crash. How could he have orchestrated that?

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Anonymous wrote:So nobody thinks he has anything to do with Aaliyah’s death? I think he 100% does. I’d be SHOCKED if it were proved otherwise.

But she died in a plane crash. How could he have orchestrated that?

You can’t be that naive!

[Anonymous]

Check out TMZ. Many commenters are blaming the young women and their parents, NOT R. Kelly.

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Anonymous wrote:I watched the six episodes in one sitting & was so frightened that I couldn't sleep. I empathize with every victim, parent and person who judge the situation in terms of support for R. Kelly therefore I am completely saddened and can't articulate how I feel. This man's music is the soundtrack of my youth; Aalyiah and I are the same age and I was a huge fan of her. I've listened to and seen his image 1000s of times. He has spiritual music and is featured in rap music so he has always been around. His art was an outlet in dark times. Pray and continue to talk to ppl who don't understand and keep talking. Take breaks and let us process. We are working out our trauma in the process.

He has special needs who never got properly evaluated and worked out which is another major fail of the Chicago school system. I've been looking at images of him and noticed in one picture that his eyes go in different directions or maybe a lazy eye. Although he is grew in age is his mind stuck as a teenager? Is he the industry biggest puppet; I heard that he doesn't own his music but wrote most of it...WTH happened? Is he the best example of an evil spirit in modern times even labeling himself a the "pied piper." Is this an example of idolizing false prophets?

I'm at a turning and I need answers. Pray for the inner child in all of us that are starting to deal with and heal with these revelations. And, I thank God that I don't have to deal with myself and my life choices in terms of following public ppl such as R Kelly, Cosby, Usher with power and money as most of the world is laughing on.

Sorry, but the jails are full of people who had bad childhoods and special needs. At least financially and professionally he appears to have overcome his “special needs.” I have no sympathy for this criminal, pedophile, rapist.

They're in jail because they weren't surrounded by people that would cover up their actions. Shame this took so long with RK. He had a lot of access to young women and girls that could have been prevented.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So nobody thinks he has anything to do with Aaliyah’s death? I think he 100% does. I’d be SHOCKED if it were proved otherwise.

But she died in a plane crash. How could he have orchestrated that?

You can’t be that naive!

I must be. Do you think he paid off the pilot to crash the plane?