Surviving R. Kelly

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m on the 2nd episode and the abuse is sickening. But the age of some of these women was 17, 18. I knew exactly what I was doing at 15 and 16. Maybe I didn’t understand the consequences of my actions, but I knew what my body was capable of and what I could elicit from adult married men. Wtf is wrong with me that I can’t help but think they allowed these things because they wanted something from him. They were old enough to know better. Am I a sicko too?

Yes, you are, and you are also despicable for saying children allowed a man to rape them. Hopefully you don't have children of your own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I watched the six episodes in one sitting & was so frightened that I couldn't sleep. I empathize with every victim, parent and person who judge the situation in terms of support for R. Kelly therefore I am completely saddened and can't articulate how I feel. This man's music is the soundtrack of my youth; Aalyiah and I are the same age and I was a huge fan of her. I've listened to and seen his image 1000s of times. He has spiritual music and is featured in rap music so he has always been around. His art was an outlet in dark times. Pray and continue to talk to ppl who don't understand and keep talking. Take breaks and let us process. We are working out our trauma in the process.

He has special needs who never got properly evaluated and worked out which is another major fail of the Chicago school system. I've been looking at images of him and noticed in one picture that his eyes go in different directions or maybe a lazy eye. Although he is grew in age is his mind stuck as a teenager? Is he the industry biggest puppet; I heard that he doesn't own his music but wrote most of it...WTH happened? Is he the best example of an evil spirit in modern times even labeling himself a the "pied piper." Is this an example of idolizing false prophets?

I'm at a turning and I need answers. Pray for the inner child in all of us that are starting to deal with and heal with these revelations. And, I thank God that I don't have to deal with myself and my life choices in terms of following public ppl such as R Kelly, Cosby, Usher with power and money as most of the world is laughing on.

What are you talking about? Please explain what special needs makes someone a child rapist?

Yeah, plenty of people with a lazy eye have managed not to become rapists/sadists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m on the 2nd episode and the abuse is sickening. But the age of some of these women was 17, 18. I knew exactly what I was doing at 15 and 16. Maybe I didn’t understand the consequences of my actions, but I knew what my body was capable of and what I could elicit from adult married men. Wtf is wrong with me that I can’t help but think they allowed these things because they wanted something from him. They were old enough to know better. Am I a sicko too?

I don't think you are a sicko. The age of consent is 17 in Illinois and 16 in Georgia. The law does not consider them children regarding sex, although many disagree. Still, although technically ok, I think most men would not be involved with teens this age. Some teens don't have the best home life and some parents don't protect their kids.

I was listening to the radio the other day and someone who toured with him mentioned the women and parents with young women waiting for him. She said women were screaming for him to pick them, basically being groupies. She said he was a gentleman to her, but yes, women were always around, and she would not take her kids to an R. Kelly concert. She did not see his people picking women, the women were already there waiting.

I feel for the Savages and other parents because I can't imagine not talking to my daughter, but they need to examine their role. Who didn't know about R. Kelly? Put your kids above money. The producer of the documentary apologized for including Charlamagne and Toure as contributors. They have their own problems with women, harrassment and rape, and Charlamagne's old R. Kelly supporting comments have come out.

[Anonymous]

Amazing how many black people are defending him when no one at all stood up for Cosby, whose women were all of consenting age. Cosby was targeted because he spoke up about the dysfunction in the black community. R. Kelly, a pedophile, is defended because he's part of that dysfunction.

[Anonymous]

In Cosby's case, the point was the women did not consent. They were drugged. He admitted to drugging women. Age was not factor. They didn't know what he did, just how they woke up. Cosby talked about the black community like he wasn't a part of it, he came across as thinking he was better than not trying to improve things. People did not appreciate his approach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Amazing how many black people are defending him when no one at all stood up for Cosby, whose women were all of consenting age. Cosby was targeted because he spoke up about the dysfunction in the black community. R. Kelly, a pedophile, is defended because he's part of that dysfunction.

It's disgusting anyone would defend a pedophile.

[Anonymous]

You can watch it on Facebook for free

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the parents of the girl in the video were paid off. Sparkle said it was clearly R. Kelly and her niece. He is just disgusting.

In situations like this, especially of such a high profile, a lot of parents will settle to avoid having their child further victimized. Can you imagine the extra scrutiny that girl would’ve been under? It’s bad enough being on tape getting pissed on. The odd part is that she and her family maintain a relationship with him. The father continued to play bass for him!

Aaliyah’s parents did the same thing for the same reason: They didn’t want to put her through a trial. Being a young celebrity was hard enough. Instead, get her away from him, annul the marriage and move on. It’s sad she called everyone liars instead of admitting the truth all these years later. In her mind I’m sure she believes she’s protecting her late daughter.

But this is not a race issue. Kelly wasn’t punished because no one came forward. Not.ONE.Single.Black.Girl. In fact, the girl in the tape denied it was her so there was no case. It’s not as if black girls cried out but yes one listened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Black women are the lowest on the totem pole, that’s why this never took off. No one listened to Cosby until he had white victims.

It never took off because none of his victims came forward. In fact, he had yes accusers. Just rumors of a marriage that both he and Aaliyah denied.

Were Weinstein’s white women at the bottom of the totem pole those 30 years he was abusing them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Black women are the lowest on the totem pole, that’s why this never took off. No one listened to Cosby until he had white victims.

It never took off because none of his victims came forward. In fact, he had yes accusers. Just rumors of a marriage that both he and Aaliyah denied.

Were Weinstein’s white women at the bottom of the totem pole those 30 years he was abusing them?

It should say he had *no* accusers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m on the 2nd episode and the abuse is sickening. But the age of some of these women was 17, 18. I knew exactly what I was doing at 15 and 16. Maybe I didn’t understand the consequences of my actions, but I knew what my body was capable of and what I could elicit from adult married men. Wtf is wrong with me that I can’t help but think they allowed these things because they wanted something from him. They were old enough to know better. Am I a sicko too?

Yes, you are, and you are also despicable for saying children allowed a man to rape them. Hopefully you don't have children of your own.

+1. Teenagers have hormones that make them sexual, but they are not mature enough to handle a grown man. And children, especially kids from rough upbringings, crave positive adult attention. You take a girl from a difficult home environment and suggest to her that sex can make her get adult male attention (which is severely lacking in many poor homes, which tend to be headed by a single parent) and they will do it. You don't have any concept of the voids created by difficult childhoods-- or you wouldn't be saying it. It's like saying a starving prostitute is doing it because she *wants* to. It is exploitation of our most vulnerable population and your lack of empathy is sick, sick, sick. Please reflect on why it is wrong to exploit vulnerable teen girls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish I had cable to watch!

You can watch 2 episodes on Lifetime for free. Then I signed up for a month of free Hulu Live TV in order to watch the rest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m on the 2nd episode and the abuse is sickening. But the age of some of these women was 17, 18. I knew exactly what I was doing at 15 and 16. Maybe I didn’t understand the consequences of my actions, but I knew what my body was capable of and what I could elicit from adult married men. Wtf is wrong with me that I can’t help but think they allowed these things because they wanted something from him. They were old enough to know better. Am I a sicko too?

Yes, you are, and you are also despicable for saying children allowed a man to rape them. Hopefully you don't have children of your own.

+1. Teenagers have hormones that make them sexual, but they are not mature enough to handle a grown man. And children, especially kids from rough upbringings, crave positive adult attention. You take a girl from a difficult home environment and suggest to her that sex can make her get adult male attention (which is severely lacking in many poor homes, which tend to be headed by a single parent) and they will do it. You don't have any concept of the voids created by difficult childhoods-- or you wouldn't be saying it. It's like saying a starving prostitute is doing it because she *wants* to. It is exploitation of our most vulnerable population and your lack of empathy is sick, sick, sick. Please reflect on why it is wrong to exploit vulnerable teen girls.

I'm the sicko... thank you for pointing out and making me think this through. Sometimes I think my own maturity was stunted, since I got married and had a child myself at age 16. (We've been married 30+ years and have a healthy and happy 3 kids.) I tend to imagine everyone's situation into my own experience - we intentionally planned the pregnancy because "we were so in love: and he was leaving for the military. Even though I realize how hard things would be, or the sacrifices we both made, I knew what I was doing and that it would have consequences. (Only a 5 year age gap between us, though I was probably more mature than he was.) But I didn't consider he was preying on girls with voids, as you state. While my childhood was far from perfect, I wasn't running from anything. I also don't lack compassion or empathy, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m on the 2nd episode and the abuse is sickening. But the age of some of these women was 17, 18. I knew exactly what I was doing at 15 and 16. Maybe I didn’t understand the consequences of my actions, but I knew what my body was capable of and what I could elicit from adult married men. Wtf is wrong with me that I can’t help but think they allowed these things because they wanted something from him. They were old enough to know better. Am I a sicko too?

Yes, you are, and you are also despicable for saying children allowed a man to rape them. Hopefully you don't have children of your own.

+1. Teenagers have hormones that make them sexual, but they are not mature enough to handle a grown man. And children, especially kids from rough upbringings, crave positive adult attention. You take a girl from a difficult home environment and suggest to her that sex can make her get adult male attention (which is severely lacking in many poor homes, which tend to be headed by a single parent) and they will do it. You don't have any concept of the voids created by difficult childhoods-- or you wouldn't be saying it. It's like saying a starving prostitute is doing it because she *wants* to. It is exploitation of our most vulnerable population and your lack of empathy is sick, sick, sick. Please reflect on why it is wrong to exploit vulnerable teen girls.

I'm the sicko... thank you for pointing out and making me think this through. Sometimes I think my own maturity was stunted, since I got married and had a child myself at age 16. (We've been married 30+ years and have a healthy and happy 3 kids.) I tend to imagine everyone's situation into my own experience - we intentionally planned the pregnancy because "we were so in love: and he was leaving for the military. Even though I realize how hard things would be, or the sacrifices we both made, I knew what I was doing and that it would have consequences. (Only a 5 year age gap between us, though I was probably more mature than he was.) But I didn't consider he was preying on girls with voids, as you state. While my childhood was far from perfect, I wasn't running from anything. I also don't lack compassion or empathy, though.

oops, meant to say I DID NOT realize or foresee how hard the future would be compared to growing up, going to college, etc....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the parents of the girl in the video were paid off. Sparkle said it was clearly R. Kelly and her niece. He is just disgusting.

In situations like this, especially of such a high profile, a lot of parents will settle to avoid having their child further victimized. Can you imagine the extra scrutiny that girl would’ve been under? It’s bad enough being on tape getting pissed on. The odd part is that she and her family maintain a relationship with him. The father continued to play bass for him!

Aaliyah’s parents did the same thing for the same reason: They didn’t want to put her through a trial. Being a young celebrity was hard enough. Instead, get her away from him, annul the marriage and move on. It’s sad she called everyone liars instead of admitting the truth all these years later. In her mind I’m sure she believes she’s protecting her late daughter.

But this is not a race issue. Kelly wasn’t punished because no one came forward. Not.ONE.Single.Black.Girl. In fact, the girl in the tape denied it was her so there was no case. It’s not as if black girls cried out but yes one listened.

Those parents never gave two shits about their daughter.