Why so much UVA jealousy?

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Anonymous wrote:As a previous poster noted, UVA routinely goes on recruiting tours with Harvard and Yale. How many other state schools are invited to do that?

That is good, but others may be and we don't really know about it.

Here you go. http://www.hpuwy.com/. UVA routinely tours with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc. It is known as a Public Ivy.

Public Ivy.....lol, you are such a loser.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy
http://brandcollegeconsulting.com/what-are-the-public-ivies/
https://blog.prepscholar.com/public-ivy-league-schools
https://blog.prepscholar.com/public-ivy-league-schools (UVA no. 1)

You realize that "public ivy" is just a made up term, right? And you realize that the Ivy League is just an athletic league, right? And you realize that you sound insanely insecure about UVA, right?

Nope. Public Ivy is a real term used by college counselors. It can be a way to get a great education at a fraction of what other families are paying. http://brandcollegeconsulting.com/what-are-the-public-ivies/

Yes people have already said in state Uva is cheap. This is why it is so popular.

Cheap and good also. Like, say, Cal or Michigan. Texas I guess, also. Pretty steep drop off after that.

More like xlnt and inexpensive. The delta between UVA and an ivy can now be as much as $55,000 a year in after tax dollars (so you have to make $90K to pay for one year). For us the delta was $45K in after-tax dollars. We would have to make 85K a year to pay that. 85K a year x 5 years (75% of our nation's graduates are now taking 5-6 years to graduate ) = $410K or more. x two or three kids = Savings of $1.2 million. That delta went into the bank to pay for Ivy grad school.

No the connections one cultivates at te Ivies and access to more prestigious internships, firms, etc far out paces the initial cost difference vs UVA. It’s just not the same. It’s like saying an investment bank in Ft Lauderdale will have the same access as an investment bank on Wall Street. You are just not plugged into the same network and that is te difference. [/quote]


I went to an Ivy and I disagree. If you are in the D.C./MD/VA area, the network of UVA grads is much more useful than the occasional Harvard grad (whom in my experience don't like to help other alums). Like Virginia Tech, there is a very large and supportive UVA alum group here in D.C. and nationwide. It's like going to Berkeley and UCLA if you are staying in California = much more sane, cost-effective, great California contacts and xlnt chances of getting into an elite grad school program because, after all, the elite grad programs need diversity of universities that send them scholars. Your chances of getting into Yale Law are much better if you are applying from UVA than from Yale itself.

I disagree with your overall characterization, but will specifically focus on the comment about Yale Law and "your chances of getting into Yale Law are better from UVA than from Yale itself". Yale Law (which is one of the graduate school pinnacles) periodically publishes a bulletin that gives student counts by undergraduate institution. Yale had 69, UVA had 6. If you consider Yale has only 5,400 undergraduates vs. about 16,500, so a Yale undergraduate is about 35 times more likely to end up at Yale Law than a UVA undergraduate. http://bulletin.printer.yale.edu/pdffiles/law.pdf And it is not just Yale that performs well. Tiny Amherst has 18 undergraduates at Yale.

A lot of this is easy to understand if you look at the underlying stats. The average law school applicant from Yale undergraduate school in 2017 scored a 167.5 on the LSAT vs 160.8 for UVA. The average GPA of Yale applicants was 3.73 vs 3.43 for UVA. You can see this data at www.lsac.org.

and Yale engages in grade inflation - you know that. It protects its own! Statistically, your shot at being in the top top percentage of your class at Yale is much less than being a top student at another college. The Yalie undergrads pour into the law school, as they do at harvard (my law school class was 35% Harvard undergrad but I was the only one from my college, presumably because I offered some geographical diversity). The admissions offices are always searching for students from other schools so they can boast, "2021 class hails from 60 institutions and 80 countries" or whatever. The UVA students do not pour into the Yale Law School class like the Yale undergrads do so statistically you will have a much smaller number of applications to Yale from UVA than Yale from Yale.

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Note for example this statement from UVA (now 5th law school in the nation) that the UVA law class of 2020 has students from 154 institutions and many countries. The law school admissions teams seek out the geographical and institutional diversity.
https://www.law.virginia.edu/admissions/class-2020-profile

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Glad you are a snobby rich person. For the rest of us, you need to understand better how college pricing has grossly outpaced inflation. And why you don't want to saddle your kid with 100Ks of debt dollars. https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/freshman-year/college-tuition-fee-increases-continue-outpace-inflation-report-n457396. Read Andy Ferguson's (now somewhat dated), "One Dad's Experience in the College Admissions Process" (the title is something like that), especially the chapter on how USN&WR has forever altered the admissions process and pricing. The rich full pay person is not paying for value - that $75K is going mostly to cover the marketing expenses that colleges must now do to increase the number of applicants, just so they can turn them down, thereby lower selectivity numbers. That's why students now have to apply to an absurd number of 15 schools on average. It's an enormous racket. I see no change or "bust" as some are watching for so long as LACs and SLACs bring in full-pay international students. I know law school deans who pack their T3 schools with Chinese students ready and willing to pay $100K a year.

Again, you think rich are duped by marketing? That's why they're writing $60k-79k checks per year to top private colleges? Please tell me you're kidding.

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Glad you are a snobby rich person. For the rest of us, you need to understand better how college pricing has grossly outpaced inflation. And why you don't want to saddle your kid with 100Ks of debt dollars. https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/freshman-year/college-tuition-fee-increases-continue-outpace-inflation-report-n457396. Read Andy Ferguson's (now somewhat dated), "One Dad's Experience in the College Admissions Process" (the title is something like that), especially the chapter on how USN&WR has forever altered the admissions process and pricing. The rich full pay person is not paying for value - that $75K is going mostly to cover the marketing expenses that colleges must now do to increase the number of applicants, just so they can turn them down, thereby lower selectivity numbers. That's why students now have to apply to an absurd number of 15 schools on average. It's an enormous racket. I see no change or "bust" as some are watching for so long as LACs and SLACs bring in full-pay international students. I know law school deans who pack their T3 schools with Chinese students ready and willing to pay $100K a year.

Again, you think rich are duped by marketing? That's why they're writing $60k-79k checks per year to top private colleges? Please tell me you're kidding.

Not kidding. And a great amount of that 79K also is going to fund financial and merit aid packages. It's all about social and wealth redistribution. Have you applied to FAFSA yet?

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Glad you are a snobby rich person. For the rest of us, you need to understand better how college pricing has grossly outpaced inflation. And why you don't want to saddle your kid with 100Ks of debt dollars. https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/freshman-year/college-tuition-fee-increases-continue-outpace-inflation-report-n457396. Read Andy Ferguson's (now somewhat dated), "One Dad's Experience in the College Admissions Process" (the title is something like that), especially the chapter on how USN&WR has forever altered the admissions process and pricing. The rich full pay person is not paying for value - that $75K is going mostly to cover the marketing expenses that colleges must now do to increase the number of applicants, just so they can turn them down, thereby lower selectivity numbers. That's why students now have to apply to an absurd number of 15 schools on average. It's an enormous racket. I see no change or "bust" as some are watching for so long as LACs and SLACs bring in full-pay international students. I know law school deans who pack their T3 schools with Chinese students ready and willing to pay $100K a year.

Again, you think rich are duped by marketing? That's why they're writing $60k-79k checks per year to top private colleges? Please tell me you're kidding.

You need to read up more on the college admissions crisis. Just google that phrase. https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/03/where-admissions-went-wrong/475575/

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Anonymous wrote:As a previous poster noted, UVA routinely goes on recruiting tours with Harvard and Yale. How many other state schools are invited to do that?

That is good, but others may be and we don't really know about it.

Here you go. http://www.hpuwy.com/. UVA routinely tours with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc. It is known as a Public Ivy.

Public Ivy.....lol, you are such a loser.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy
http://brandcollegeconsulting.com/what-are-the-public-ivies/
https://blog.prepscholar.com/public-ivy-league-schools
https://blog.prepscholar.com/public-ivy-league-schools (UVA no. 1)

You realize that "public ivy" is just a made up term, right? And you realize that the Ivy League is just an athletic league, right? And you realize that you sound insanely insecure about UVA, right?

Nope. Public Ivy is a real term used by college counselors. It can be a way to get a great education at a fraction of what other families are paying. http://brandcollegeconsulting.com/what-are-the-public-ivies/

Yes people have already said in state Uva is cheap. This is why it is so popular.

Cheap and good also. Like, say, Cal or Michigan. Texas I guess, also. Pretty steep drop off after that.

More like xlnt and inexpensive. The delta between UVA and an ivy can now be as much as $55,000 a year in after tax dollars (so you have to make $90K to pay for one year). For us the delta was $45K in after-tax dollars. We would have to make 85K a year to pay that. 85K a year x 5 years (75% of our nation's graduates are now taking 5-6 years to graduate ) = $410K or more. x two or three kids = Savings of $1.2 million. That delta went into the bank to pay for Ivy grad school.

No the connections one cultivates at te Ivies and access to more prestigious internships, firms, etc far out paces the initial cost difference vs UVA. It’s just not the same. It’s like saying an investment bank in Ft Lauderdale will have the same access as an investment bank on Wall Street. You are just not plugged into the same network and that is te difference. [/quote]


I went to an Ivy and I disagree. If you are in the D.C./MD/VA area, the network of UVA grads is much more useful than the occasional Harvard grad (whom in my experience don't like to help other alums). Like Virginia Tech, there is a very large and supportive UVA alum group here in D.C. and nationwide. It's like going to Berkeley and UCLA if you are staying in California = much more sane, cost-effective, great California contacts and xlnt chances of getting into an elite grad school program because, after all, the elite grad programs need diversity of universities that send them scholars. Your chances of getting into Yale Law are much better if you are applying from UVA than from Yale itself.

I disagree with your overall characterization, but will specifically focus on the comment about Yale Law and "your chances of getting into Yale Law are better from UVA than from Yale itself". Yale Law (which is one of the graduate school pinnacles) periodically publishes a bulletin that gives student counts by undergraduate institution. Yale had 69, UVA had 6. If you consider Yale has only 5,400 undergraduates vs. about 16,500, so a Yale undergraduate is about 35 times more likely to end up at Yale Law than a UVA undergraduate. http://bulletin.printer.yale.edu/pdffiles/law.pdf And it is not just Yale that performs well. Tiny Amherst has 18 undergraduates at Yale.

A lot of this is easy to understand if you look at the underlying stats. The average law school applicant from Yale undergraduate school in 2017 scored a 167.5 on the LSAT vs 160.8 for UVA. The average GPA of Yale applicants was 3.73 vs 3.43 for UVA. You can see this data at www.lsac.org.

A quick look at the Yale Law data shows only UVA (6), W&M (3), VT (2), and W&L (2) as the only Virginia schools represented. To me it says you can potentially get anywhere from UVA (or the others), but the odds aren't going to be as high as Yale (69), Harvard (65), Princeton (37). Those schools are already getting the students that crush standardize tests.

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This book is also good on the absurd college admissions pricing, but I disagree with the author that the problem can be fixed. So long as LACs and lower level universities are willing to fill their classes with full-freight international students - and the Chinese and Indian parents are willing to pay, the colleges will continue to hike their fees. https://saragoldrickrab.com/books/

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Anonymous wrote:As a previous poster noted, UVA routinely goes on recruiting tours with Harvard and Yale. How many other state schools are invited to do that?

That is good, but others may be and we don't really know about it.

Here you go. http://www.hpuwy.com/. UVA routinely tours with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc. It is known as a Public Ivy.

Public Ivy.....lol, you are such a loser.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy
http://brandcollegeconsulting.com/what-are-the-public-ivies/
https://blog.prepscholar.com/public-ivy-league-schools
https://blog.prepscholar.com/public-ivy-league-schools (UVA no. 1)

You realize that "public ivy" is just a made up term, right? And you realize that the Ivy League is just an athletic league, right? And you realize that you sound insanely insecure about UVA, right?

Nope. Public Ivy is a real term used by college counselors. It can be a way to get a great education at a fraction of what other families are paying. http://brandcollegeconsulting.com/what-are-the-public-ivies/

Yes people have already said in state Uva is cheap. This is why it is so popular.

Cheap and good also. Like, say, Cal or Michigan. Texas I guess, also. Pretty steep drop off after that.

More like xlnt and inexpensive. The delta between UVA and an ivy can now be as much as $55,000 a year in after tax dollars (so you have to make $90K to pay for one year). For us the delta was $45K in after-tax dollars. We would have to make 85K a year to pay that. 85K a year x 5 years (75% of our nation's graduates are now taking 5-6 years to graduate ) = $410K or more. x two or three kids = Savings of $1.2 million. That delta went into the bank to pay for Ivy grad school.

No the connections one cultivates at te Ivies and access to more prestigious internships, firms, etc far out paces the initial cost difference vs UVA. It’s just not the same. It’s like saying an investment bank in Ft Lauderdale will have the same access as an investment bank on Wall Street. You are just not plugged into the same network and that is te difference. [/quote]


I went to an Ivy and I disagree. If you are in the D.C./MD/VA area, the network of UVA grads is much more useful than the occasional Harvard grad (whom in my experience don't like to help other alums). Like Virginia Tech, there is a very large and supportive UVA alum group here in D.C. and nationwide. It's like going to Berkeley and UCLA if you are staying in California = much more sane, cost-effective, great California contacts and xlnt chances of getting into an elite grad school program because, after all, the elite grad programs need diversity of universities that send them scholars. Your chances of getting into Yale Law are much better if you are applying from UVA than from Yale itself.

I disagree with your overall characterization, but will specifically focus on the comment about Yale Law and "your chances of getting into Yale Law are better from UVA than from Yale itself". Yale Law (which is one of the graduate school pinnacles) periodically publishes a bulletin that gives student counts by undergraduate institution. Yale had 69, UVA had 6. If you consider Yale has only 5,400 undergraduates vs. about 16,500, so a Yale undergraduate is about 35 times more likely to end up at Yale Law than a UVA undergraduate. http://bulletin.printer.yale.edu/pdffiles/law.pdf And it is not just Yale that performs well. Tiny Amherst has 18 undergraduates at Yale.

A lot of this is easy to understand if you look at the underlying stats. The average law school applicant from Yale undergraduate school in 2017 scored a 167.5 on the LSAT vs 160.8 for UVA. The average GPA of Yale applicants was 3.73 vs 3.43 for UVA. You can see this data at www.lsac.org.

A quick look at the Yale Law data shows only UVA (6), W&M (3), VT (2), and W&L (2) as the only Virginia schools represented. To me it says you can potentially get anywhere from UVA (or the others), but the odds aren't going to be as high as Yale (69), Harvard (65), Princeton (37). Those schools are already getting the students that crush standardize tests.

But 200 UVA students are not applying to Yale or Harvard, as is the case at Yale or Harvard undergrad (assuming for argument that 200 Yale students apply and 65 get in). The application field is muuch smaller.

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Anonymous wrote:As a previous poster noted, UVA routinely goes on recruiting tours with Harvard and Yale. How many other state schools are invited to do that?

That is good, but others may be and we don't really know about it.

Here you go. http://www.hpuwy.com/. UVA routinely tours with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc. It is known as a Public Ivy.

Public Ivy.....lol, you are such a loser.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy
http://brandcollegeconsulting.com/what-are-the-public-ivies/
https://blog.prepscholar.com/public-ivy-league-schools
https://blog.prepscholar.com/public-ivy-league-schools (UVA no. 1)

You realize that "public ivy" is just a made up term, right? And you realize that the Ivy League is just an athletic league, right? And you realize that you sound insanely insecure about UVA, right?

Nope. Public Ivy is a real term used by college counselors. It can be a way to get a great education at a fraction of what other families are paying. http://brandcollegeconsulting.com/what-are-the-public-ivies/

Yes people have already said in state Uva is cheap. This is why it is so popular.

Cheap and good also. Like, say, Cal or Michigan. Texas I guess, also. Pretty steep drop off after that.

More like xlnt and inexpensive. The delta between UVA and an ivy can now be as much as $55,000 a year in after tax dollars (so you have to make $90K to pay for one year). For us the delta was $45K in after-tax dollars. We would have to make 85K a year to pay that. 85K a year x 5 years (75% of our nation's graduates are now taking 5-6 years to graduate ) = $410K or more. x two or three kids = Savings of $1.2 million. That delta went into the bank to pay for Ivy grad school.

No the connections one cultivates at te Ivies and access to more prestigious internships, firms, etc far out paces the initial cost difference vs UVA. It’s just not the same. It’s like saying an investment bank in Ft Lauderdale will have the same access as an investment bank on Wall Street. You are just not plugged into the same network and that is te difference. [/quote]


I went to an Ivy and I disagree. If you are in the D.C./MD/VA area, the network of UVA grads is much more useful than the occasional Harvard grad (whom in my experience don't like to help other alums). Like Virginia Tech, there is a very large and supportive UVA alum group here in D.C. and nationwide. It's like going to Berkeley and UCLA if you are staying in California = much more sane, cost-effective, great California contacts and xlnt chances of getting into an elite grad school program because, after all, the elite grad programs need diversity of universities that send them scholars. Your chances of getting into Yale Law are much better if you are applying from UVA than from Yale itself.

I disagree with your overall characterization, but will specifically focus on the comment about Yale Law and "your chances of getting into Yale Law are better from UVA than from Yale itself". Yale Law (which is one of the graduate school pinnacles) periodically publishes a bulletin that gives student counts by undergraduate institution. Yale had 69, UVA had 6. If you consider Yale has only 5,400 undergraduates vs. about 16,500, so a Yale undergraduate is about 35 times more likely to end up at Yale Law than a UVA undergraduate. http://bulletin.printer.yale.edu/pdffiles/law.pdf And it is not just Yale that performs well. Tiny Amherst has 18 undergraduates at Yale.

A lot of this is easy to understand if you look at the underlying stats. The average law school applicant from Yale undergraduate school in 2017 scored a 167.5 on the LSAT vs 160.8 for UVA. The average GPA of Yale applicants was 3.73 vs 3.43 for UVA. You can see this data at www.lsac.org.

and Yale engages in grade inflation - you know that. It protects its own! Statistically, your shot at being in the top top percentage of your class at Yale is much less than being a top student at another college. The Yalie undergrads pour into the law school, as they do at harvard (my law school class was 35% Harvard undergrad but I was the only one from my college, presumably because I offered some geographical diversity). The admissions offices are always searching for students from other schools so they can boast, "2021 class hails from 60 institutions and 80 countries" or whatever. The UVA students do not pour into the Yale Law School class like the Yale undergrads do so statistically you will have a much smaller number of applications to Yale from UVA than Yale from Yale.

The numbers will likely be similar for Yale vs UVA if you look at other highly selective graduate schools. You are right that grade inflation is generally highest at the most selective schools, and those schools generally select students who are great at standardized tests. Since law school favors high GPA + high LSAT, they are going to have a significantly higher percentage of students who are prime candidates for top graduate schools like Yale Law.

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Anonymous wrote:As a previous poster noted, UVA routinely goes on recruiting tours with Harvard and Yale. How many other state schools are invited to do that?

That is good, but others may be and we don't really know about it.

Here you go. http://www.hpuwy.com/. UVA routinely tours with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc. It is known as a Public Ivy.

Public Ivy.....lol, you are such a loser.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy
http://brandcollegeconsulting.com/what-are-the-public-ivies/
https://blog.prepscholar.com/public-ivy-league-schools
https://blog.prepscholar.com/public-ivy-league-schools (UVA no. 1)

You realize that "public ivy" is just a made up term, right? And you realize that the Ivy League is just an athletic league, right? And you realize that you sound insanely insecure about UVA, right?

Nope. Public Ivy is a real term used by college counselors. It can be a way to get a great education at a fraction of what other families are paying. http://brandcollegeconsulting.com/what-are-the-public-ivies/

Yes people have already said in state Uva is cheap. This is why it is so popular.

Cheap and good also. Like, say, Cal or Michigan. Texas I guess, also. Pretty steep drop off after that.

More like xlnt and inexpensive. The delta between UVA and an ivy can now be as much as $55,000 a year in after tax dollars (so you have to make $90K to pay for one year). For us the delta was $45K in after-tax dollars. We would have to make 85K a year to pay that. 85K a year x 5 years (75% of our nation's graduates are now taking 5-6 years to graduate ) = $410K or more. x two or three kids = Savings of $1.2 million. That delta went into the bank to pay for Ivy grad school.

No the connections one cultivates at te Ivies and access to more prestigious internships, firms, etc far out paces the initial cost difference vs UVA. It’s just not the same. It’s like saying an investment bank in Ft Lauderdale will have the same access as an investment bank on Wall Street. You are just not plugged into the same network and that is te difference. [/quote]


I went to an Ivy and I disagree. If you are in the D.C./MD/VA area, the network of UVA grads is much more useful than the occasional Harvard grad (whom in my experience don't like to help other alums). Like Virginia Tech, there is a very large and supportive UVA alum group here in D.C. and nationwide. It's like going to Berkeley and UCLA if you are staying in California = much more sane, cost-effective, great California contacts and xlnt chances of getting into an elite grad school program because, after all, the elite grad programs need diversity of universities that send them scholars. Your chances of getting into Yale Law are much better if you are applying from UVA than from Yale itself.

I disagree with your overall characterization, but will specifically focus on the comment about Yale Law and "your chances of getting into Yale Law are better from UVA than from Yale itself". Yale Law (which is one of the graduate school pinnacles) periodically publishes a bulletin that gives student counts by undergraduate institution. Yale had 69, UVA had 6. If you consider Yale has only 5,400 undergraduates vs. about 16,500, so a Yale undergraduate is about 35 times more likely to end up at Yale Law than a UVA undergraduate. http://bulletin.printer.yale.edu/pdffiles/law.pdf And it is not just Yale that performs well. Tiny Amherst has 18 undergraduates at Yale.

A lot of this is easy to understand if you look at the underlying stats. The average law school applicant from Yale undergraduate school in 2017 scored a 167.5 on the LSAT vs 160.8 for UVA. The average GPA of Yale applicants was 3.73 vs 3.43 for UVA. You can see this data at www.lsac.org.

A quick look at the Yale Law data shows only UVA (6), W&M (3), VT (2), and W&L (2) as the only Virginia schools represented. To me it says you can potentially get anywhere from UVA (or the others), but the odds aren't going to be as high as Yale (69), Harvard (65), Princeton (37). Those schools are already getting the students that crush standardize tests.

But 200 UVA students are not applying to Yale or Harvard, as is the case at Yale or Harvard undergrad (assuming for argument that 200 Yale students apply and 65 get in). The application field is muuch smaller.

But if true, that completely misses the probability that not as many UVA graduates can produce the required stats so they don't apply. This isn't a knock on UVA, it just represents the statistical reality if you compare to a school like Yale like the previous poster did. Again, UVA had 249 grads apply for law school in 2017, and they had an average LSAT of 160.8 and GPA of 3.43. Yale had 184 apply with an average LSAT of 167.5 and a GPA of 3.73. The Yale applicants, on average, have better stats for better schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Will a summer internship at UVA help my kid get in? DS did it this past summer and plans on coming back again next year.

I doubt it - most of those summer programs are ways for universities to make some big bucks. The Harvard Stanford and Yale programs are famous for taking $12K of parents' money but no one actually gets in from that "summer class" the next fall (the students create Facebook pages so stay in contact and know who actually gets in - there's a lot of grumbling about these expensive programs on College Confidential). Some summer programs aren't even affiliated with the University - say, ID Tech just rents a lab and rooms and then doubles the charges on the parents. But check the name of the summer internship/UVA on College Confidential.

We didn't pay for him to attend; he received a small stipend/paycheck from UVA for his two weeks there and was "unofficially" invited to come back next year for three weeks.

Great! Sounds very useful. If the internship has a name, run it through College Confidential. I know only of the internship and externship opportunities at the undergrad level, not high school. https://career.virginia.edu/internships/2017-18-university-internship-program. Best of luck! How are DS's grades and test scores? Over the weekend, President Ryan said that the new mean SAT for the class of 2022 is a new high of 1397. 94% of the accepted class of 2022 are in the top ten percent of their high school class. Do you know how to access the SCHEV statistics for all colleges in VA? Are you in NOVA? Obviously, your son's chances increase the further west and south in the state you live (assuming you are in-state).

He will be taking his SATs in 2019/2020, since he is just a HS sophomore this year. DS grades for freshman year were within 10-11% of his class and we're in Western LoCo. I do not know how to access the SCHEV stats.

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Private parents have better sh%t to do. Only middle class parents with kids who miss the cut are jealous.

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Anonymous wrote:Will a summer internship at UVA help my kid get in? DS did it this past summer and plans on coming back again next year.

I doubt it - most of those summer programs are ways for universities to make some big bucks. The Harvard Stanford and Yale programs are famous for taking $12K of parents' money but no one actually gets in from that "summer class" the next fall (the students create Facebook pages so stay in contact and know who actually gets in - there's a lot of grumbling about these expensive programs on College Confidential). Some summer programs aren't even affiliated with the University - say, ID Tech just rents a lab and rooms and then doubles the charges on the parents. But check the name of the summer internship/UVA on College Confidential.

We didn't pay for him to attend; he received a small stipend/paycheck from UVA for his two weeks there and was "unofficially" invited to come back next year for three weeks.

Great! Sounds very useful. If the internship has a name, run it through College Confidential. I know only of the internship and externship opportunities at the undergrad level, not high school. https://career.virginia.edu/internships/2017-18-university-internship-program. Best of luck! How are DS's grades and test scores? Over the weekend, President Ryan said that the new mean SAT for the class of 2022 is a new high of 1397. 94% of the accepted class of 2022 are in the top ten percent of their high school class. Do you know how to access the SCHEV statistics for all colleges in VA? Are you in NOVA? Obviously, your son's chances increase the further west and south in the state you live (assuming you are in-state).

He will be taking his SATs in 2019/2020, since he is just a HS sophomore this year. DS grades for freshman year were within 10-11% of his class and we're in Western LoCo. I do not know how to access the SCHEV stats.

http://research.schev.edu/

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Glad you are a snobby rich person. For the rest of us, you need to understand better how college pricing has grossly outpaced inflation. And why you don't want to saddle your kid with 100Ks of debt dollars. https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/freshman-year/college-tuition-fee-increases-continue-outpace-inflation-report-n457396. Read Andy Ferguson's (now somewhat dated), "One Dad's Experience in the College Admissions Process" (the title is something like that), especially the chapter on how USN&WR has forever altered the admissions process and pricing. The rich full pay person is not paying for value - that $75K is going mostly to cover the marketing expenses that colleges must now do to increase the number of applicants, just so they can turn them down, thereby lower selectivity numbers. That's why students now have to apply to an absurd number of 15 schools on average. It's an enormous racket. I see no change or "bust" as some are watching for so long as LACs and SLACs bring in full-pay international students. I know law school deans who pack their T3 schools with Chinese students ready and willing to pay $100K a year.

Again, you think rich are duped by marketing? That's why they're writing $60k-79k checks per year to top private colleges? Please tell me you're kidding.

Not kidding. And a great amount of that 79K also is going to fund financial and merit aid packages. It's all about social and wealth redistribution. Have you applied to FAFSA yet?

The point is that I don't have to fill out FAFSA because we're not remotely eligible for aid but are delighted to pay full tuition for our DCs education. And you seem a bit dense but try to understand that we are perfectly fine if our tuition payments subsidize others, although indirectly.

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I'm puzzled. How would one be able to estimate freshmen class rankings in LCPS? One would not be able to calculate rank until the end of junior year after all those weighted AP grades are tallied anyway. Seems premature.