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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]As a previous poster noted, UVA routinely goes on recruiting tours with Harvard and Yale.  How many other state schools are invited to do that?[/quote]

[b]That is good, but others may be and we don't really know about i[/b]t.  [/quote]

Here you go. http://www.hpuwy.com/.  UVA routinely tours with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc.  It is known as a Public Ivy.[/quote]

[b]Public Ivy.....lol, you are such a loser.[/quote][/b]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy
http://brandcollegeconsulting.com/what-are-the-public-ivies/
https://blog.prepscholar.com/public-ivy-league-schools
https://blog.prepscholar.com/public-ivy-league-schools (UVA no. 1)
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[b]You realize that "public ivy" is just a made up term, right?  And you realize that the Ivy League is just an athletic league, right?  And you realize that you sound insanely insecure about UVA, right? [/quote][/b]

Nope. Public Ivy is a real term used by college counselors.  It can be a way to get a great education at a fraction of what other families are paying.  http://brandcollegeconsulting.com/what-are-the-public-ivies/[/quote]

[b]Yes people have already said in state Uva is cheap. This is why it is so popular[/b].[/quote]

[b]Cheap and good also. Like, say, Cal or Michigan.  Texas I guess, also.  Pretty steep drop off after that.[/quote][/b]

More like xlnt and inexpensive.  The delta between UVA and an ivy can now be as much as $55,000 a year in after tax dollars (so you have to make $90K to pay for one year).  For us the delta was $45K in after-tax dollars.  We would have to make 85K a year to pay that.  85K a year x 5 years (75% of our nation's graduates are now taking 5-6 years to graduate ) = $410K or more.  x two or three kids = Savings of $1.2 million.  That delta went into the bank to pay for Ivy grad school.[/quote]

[b]No the connections one cultivates at te Ivies and access to more prestigious internships, firms, etc far out paces the initial cost difference vs UVA. It’s just not the same. It’s like saying an investment bank in Ft Lauderdale will have the same access as an investment bank on Wall Street. You are just not plugged into the same network and that is te difference. [/q[/b]uote]

I went to an Ivy and I disagree.  If you are in the D.C./MD/VA area, the network of UVA grads is much more useful than the occasional Harvard grad (whom in my experience don't like to help other alums).  Like Virginia Tech, there is a very large and supportive  UVA alum group here in D.C. and nationwide.  It's like going to Berkeley and UCLA if you are staying in California = much more sane, cost-effective, great California contacts and xlnt chances of getting into an elite grad school program because, after all, the elite grad programs need diversity of universities that send them scholars.  [b]Your chances of getting into Yale Law are much better if you are applying from UVA than from Yale itself.[/quote][/b]

I disagree with your overall characterization, but will specifically focus on the comment about Yale Law and "your chances of getting into Yale Law are better from UVA than from Yale itself".  Yale Law (which is one of the graduate school pinnacles) periodically publishes a bulletin that gives student counts by undergraduate institution.  Yale had 69, UVA had 6.  If you consider Yale has only 5,400 undergraduates vs. about 16,500, so a Yale undergraduate is about 35 times more likely to end up at Yale Law than a UVA undergraduate. http://bulletin.printer.yale.edu/pdffiles/law.pdf  And it is not just Yale that performs well.  Tiny Amherst has 18 undergraduates at Yale.

A lot of this is easy to understand if you look at the underlying stats.  The average law school applicant from Yale undergraduate school in 2017 scored a 167.5 on the LSAT vs 160.8 for UVA.   The average GPA of Yale applicants was 3.73 vs 3.43 for UVA.  You can see this data at www.lsac.org.

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[b]A quick look at the Yale Law data shows only UVA (6), W&M (3), VT (2), and W&L (2) as the only Virginia schools represented.  To me it says you can potentially get anywhere from UVA (or the others), but the odds aren't going to be as high as Yale (69), Harvard (65), Princeton (37).  Those schools are already getting the students that crush standardize tests.[/quote][/b]

But 200 UVA students are not applying to Yale or Harvard, as is the case at Yale or Harvard undergrad (assuming for argument that 200 Yale students apply and 65 get in).  The application field is muuch smaller.[/quote]

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