Why so much UVA jealousy?

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Anonymous wrote:As a previous poster noted, UVA routinely goes on recruiting tours with Harvard and Yale. How many other state schools are invited to do that?

That is good, but others may be and we don't really know about it.

Here you go. http://www.hpuwy.com/. UVA routinely tours with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc. It is known as a Public Ivy.

Public Ivy.....lol, you are such a loser.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy
http://brandcollegeconsulting.com/what-are-the-public-ivies/
https://blog.prepscholar.com/public-ivy-league-schools
https://blog.prepscholar.com/public-ivy-league-schools (UVA no. 1)

You realize that "public ivy" is just a made up term, right? And you realize that the Ivy League is just an athletic league, right? And you realize that you sound insanely insecure about UVA, right?

Nope. Public Ivy is a real term used by college counselors. It can be a way to get a great education at a fraction of what other families are paying. http://brandcollegeconsulting.com/what-are-the-public-ivies/

Yes people have already said in state Uva is cheap. This is why it is so popular.

Cheap and good also. Like, say, Cal or Michigan. Texas I guess, also. Pretty steep drop off after that.

More like xlnt and inexpensive. The delta between UVA and an ivy can now be as much as $55,000 a year in after tax dollars (so you have to make $90K to pay for one year). For us the delta was $45K in after-tax dollars. We would have to make 85K a year to pay that. 85K a year x 5 years (75% of our nation's graduates are now taking 5-6 years to graduate ) = $410K or more. x two or three kids = Savings of $1.2 million. That delta went into the bank to pay for Ivy grad school.

Fine, but money isn't an issue for every family.

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Anonymous wrote:As a previous poster noted, UVA routinely goes on recruiting tours with Harvard and Yale. How many other state schools are invited to do that?

That is good, but others may be and we don't really know about it.

Here you go. http://www.hpuwy.com/. UVA routinely tours with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc. It is known as a Public Ivy.

Public Ivy.....lol, you are such a loser.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy
http://brandcollegeconsulting.com/what-are-the-public-ivies/
https://blog.prepscholar.com/public-ivy-league-schools
https://blog.prepscholar.com/public-ivy-league-schools (UVA no. 1)

[b]You realize that "public ivy" is just a made up term, right? And you realize that the Ivy League is just an athletic league, right? And you realize that you sound insanely insecure about UVA, right?

Nope. Public Ivy is a real term used by college counselors. It can be a way to get a great education at a fraction of what other families are paying. http://brandcollegeconsulting.com/what-are-the-public-ivies/

Yes people have already said in state Uva is cheap. This is why it is so popular.

Cheap and good also. Like, say, Cal or Michigan. Texas I guess, also. Pretty steep drop off after that.

More like xlnt and inexpensive. The delta between UVA and an ivy can now be as much as $55,000 a year in after tax dollars (so you have to make $90K to pay for one year). For us the delta was $45K in after-tax dollars. We would have to make 85K a year to pay that. 85K a year x 5 years (75% of our nation's graduates are now taking 5-6 years to graduate ) = $410K or more. x two or three kids = Savings of $1.2 million. That delta went into the bank to pay for Ivy grad school.

Fine, but money isn't an issue for every family.

Forgot to mention that $1.2 was invested before Trump came to office so now worth over $2M, but YRMV. Children have no college or grad school debt, can start saving, understand the value of money, can put a down payment on a house and they are forever grateful. Just because privates are charging $65K to $85K a year doesn't make it an intelligent expenditure. They do it because they can get away with it because American parents are suckers in the college-admissions race. Didn't it ever occur to you odd that when an Ivy bumps its price tag to 75K that all the other private LACs and SLACs do too? They do it simply because they can - because American parents are buying into this insanity and bankrupting their families or saddling their children with hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt - but a third-rate LAC is not Harvard, just like a Ford is not a Mercedes - but the LAC knows there are desperate parents out there that will pay full-freight for Johnny to go to some LAC no one has ever heard of. So all privates follow suit and jack up their fees and parents like you pay justifying it because it's "a good fit". There are 4000 institutions of higher education in the United States. You do not have to saddle your kids with debt to get a college education of quality.

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Will a summer internship at UVA help my kid get in? DS did it this past summer and plans on coming back again next year.

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I suspect there is so much jealousy because:
(a) it is a terrific value and (b) it is very hard to get into.
So basically it is like winning the lottery. Are you jealous of your neighbor if they win the lottery? Not sure if I'm jealous, but I'm pretty envious.

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Anonymous wrote:Will a summer internship at UVA help my kid get in? DS did it this past summer and plans on coming back again next year.

I doubt it - most of those summer programs are ways for universities to make some big bucks. The Harvard Stanford and Yale programs are famous for taking $12K of parents' money but no one actually gets in from that "summer class" the next fall (the students create Facebook pages so stay in contact and know who actually gets in - there's a lot of grumbling about these expensive programs on College Confidential). Some summer programs aren't even affiliated with the University - say, ID Tech just rents a lab and rooms and then doubles the charges on the parents. But check the name of the summer internship/UVA on College Confidential.

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Forgot to mention that $1.2 was invested before Trump came to office so now worth over $2M, but YRMV. Children have no college or grad school debt, can start saving, understand the value of money, can put a down payment on a house and they are forever grateful. Just because privates are charging $65K to $85K a year doesn't make it an intelligent expenditure. They do it because they can get away with it because American parents are suckers in the college-admissions race. Didn't it ever occur to you odd that when an Ivy bumps its price tag to 75K that all the other private LACs and SLACs do too? They do it simply because they can - because American parents are buying into this insanity and bankrupting their families or saddling their children with hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt - but a third-rate LAC is not Harvard, just like a Ford is not a Mercedes - but the LAC knows there are desperate parents out there that will pay full-freight for Johnny to go to some LAC no one has ever heard of. So all privates follow suit and jack up their fees and parents like you pay justifying it because it's "a good fit". There are 4000 institutions of higher education in the United States. You do not have to saddle your kids with debt to get a college education of quality.

Ah yes, rich people are so dumb! They are ignorant spendthrifts! Or...maybe...they see value where you don't. Maybe...they know a thing or two more than you. Maybe...they just value a higher IQ dating pool for their kids. Whatever it is, calling wealthy people gullible fools for sending their kids to expensive prestigious colleges makes YOU the fool.

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Anonymous wrote:As a previous poster noted, UVA routinely goes on recruiting tours with Harvard and Yale. How many other state schools are invited to do that?

That is good, but others may be and we don't really know about it.

Here you go. http://www.hpuwy.com/. UVA routinely tours with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc. It is known as a Public Ivy.

Public Ivy.....lol, you are such a loser.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy
http://brandcollegeconsulting.com/what-are-the-public-ivies/
https://blog.prepscholar.com/public-ivy-league-schools
https://blog.prepscholar.com/public-ivy-league-schools (UVA no. 1)

You realize that "public ivy" is just a made up term, right? And you realize that the Ivy League is just an athletic league, right? And you realize that you sound insanely insecure about UVA, right?

Nope. Public Ivy is a real term used by college counselors. It can be a way to get a great education at a fraction of what other families are paying. http://brandcollegeconsulting.com/what-are-the-public-ivies/

Yes people have already said in state Uva is cheap. This is why it is so popular.

Cheap and good also. Like, say, Cal or Michigan. Texas I guess, also. Pretty steep drop off after that.

More like xlnt and inexpensive. The delta between UVA and an ivy can now be as much as $55,000 a year in after tax dollars (so you have to make $90K to pay for one year). For us the delta was $45K in after-tax dollars. We would have to make 85K a year to pay that. 85K a year x 5 years (75% of our nation's graduates are now taking 5-6 years to graduate ) = $410K or more. x two or three kids = Savings of $1.2 million. That delta went into the bank to pay for Ivy grad school.

No the connections one cultivates at te Ivies and access to more prestigious internships, firms, etc far out paces the initial cost difference vs UVA. It’s just not the same. It’s like saying an investment bank in Ft Lauderdale will have the same access as an investment bank on Wall Street. You are just not plugged into the same network and that is te difference.

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Forgot to mention that $1.2 was invested before Trump came to office so now worth over $2M, but YRMV. Children have no college or grad school debt, can start saving, understand the value of money, can put a down payment on a house and they are forever grateful. Just because privates are charging $65K to $85K a year doesn't make it an intelligent expenditure. They do it because they can get away with it because American parents are suckers in the college-admissions race. Didn't it ever occur to you odd that when an Ivy bumps its price tag to 75K that all the other private LACs and SLACs do too? They do it simply because they can - because American parents are buying into this insanity and bankrupting their families or saddling their children with hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt - but a third-rate LAC is not Harvard, just like a Ford is not a Mercedes - but the LAC knows there are desperate parents out there that will pay full-freight for Johnny to go to some LAC no one has ever heard of. So all privates follow suit and jack up their fees and parents like you pay justifying it because it's "a good fit". There are 4000 institutions of higher education in the United States. You do not have to saddle your kids with debt to get a college education of quality.

Ah yes, rich people are so dumb! They are ignorant spendthrifts! Or...maybe...they see value where you don't. Maybe...they know a thing or two more than you. Maybe...they just value a higher IQ dating pool for their kids. Whatever it is, calling wealthy people gullible fools for sending their kids to expensive prestigious colleges makes YOU the fool.

You think spending $75K in after-tax dollars for 8 months is sane?

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Anonymous wrote:As a previous poster noted, UVA routinely goes on recruiting tours with Harvard and Yale. How many other state schools are invited to do that?

That is good, but others may be and we don't really know about it.

Here you go. http://www.hpuwy.com/. UVA routinely tours with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc. It is known as a Public Ivy.

Public Ivy.....lol, you are such a loser.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy
http://brandcollegeconsulting.com/what-are-the-public-ivies/
https://blog.prepscholar.com/public-ivy-league-schools
https://blog.prepscholar.com/public-ivy-league-schools (UVA no. 1)

You realize that "public ivy" is just a made up term, right? And you realize that the Ivy League is just an athletic league, right? And you realize that you sound insanely insecure about UVA, right?

Nope. Public Ivy is a real term used by college counselors. It can be a way to get a great education at a fraction of what other families are paying. http://brandcollegeconsulting.com/what-are-the-public-ivies/

Yes people have already said in state Uva is cheap. This is why it is so popular.

Cheap and good also. Like, say, Cal or Michigan. Texas I guess, also. Pretty steep drop off after that.

More like xlnt and inexpensive. The delta between UVA and an ivy can now be as much as $55,000 a year in after tax dollars (so you have to make $90K to pay for one year). For us the delta was $45K in after-tax dollars. We would have to make 85K a year to pay that. 85K a year x 5 years (75% of our nation's graduates are now taking 5-6 years to graduate ) = $410K or more. x two or three kids = Savings of $1.2 million. That delta went into the bank to pay for Ivy grad school.

No the connections one cultivates at te Ivies and access to more prestigious internships, firms, etc far out paces the initial cost difference vs UVA. It’s just not the same. It’s like saying an investment bank in Ft Lauderdale will have the same access as an investment bank on Wall Street. You are just not plugged into the same network and that is te difference. [/quote]


I went to an Ivy and I disagree. If you are in the D.C./MD/VA area, the network of UVA grads is much more useful than the occasional Harvard grad (whom in my experience don't like to help other alums). Like Virginia Tech, there is a very large and supportive UVA alum group here in D.C. and nationwide. It's like going to Berkeley and UCLA if you are staying in California = much more sane, cost-effective, great California contacts and xlnt chances of getting into an elite grad school program because, after all, the elite grad programs need diversity of universities that send them scholars. Your chances of getting into Yale Law are much better if you are applying from UVA than from Yale itself.

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Anonymous wrote:Will a summer internship at UVA help my kid get in? DS did it this past summer and plans on coming back again next year.

I doubt it - most of those summer programs are ways for universities to make some big bucks. The Harvard Stanford and Yale programs are famous for taking $12K of parents' money but no one actually gets in from that "summer class" the next fall (the students create Facebook pages so stay in contact and know who actually gets in - there's a lot of grumbling about these expensive programs on College Confidential). Some summer programs aren't even affiliated with the University - say, ID Tech just rents a lab and rooms and then doubles the charges on the parents. But check the name of the summer internship/UVA on College Confidential.

We didn't pay for him to attend; he received a small stipend/paycheck from UVA for his two weeks there and was "unofficially" invited to come back next year for three weeks.

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Anonymous wrote:Will a summer internship at UVA help my kid get in? DS did it this past summer and plans on coming back again next year.

I doubt it - most of those summer programs are ways for universities to make some big bucks. The Harvard Stanford and Yale programs are famous for taking $12K of parents' money but no one actually gets in from that "summer class" the next fall (the students create Facebook pages so stay in contact and know who actually gets in - there's a lot of grumbling about these expensive programs on College Confidential). Some summer programs aren't even affiliated with the University - say, ID Tech just rents a lab and rooms and then doubles the charges on the parents. But check the name of the summer internship/UVA on College Confidential.

We didn't pay for him to attend; he received a small stipend/paycheck from UVA for his two weeks there and was "unofficially" invited to come back next year for three weeks.

Great! Sounds very useful. If the internship has a name, run it through College Confidential. I know only of the internship and externship opportunities at the undergrad level, not high school. https://career.virginia.edu/internships/2017-18-university-internship-program. Best of luck! How are DS's grades and test scores? Over the weekend, President Ryan said that the new mean SAT for the class of 2022 is a new high of 1397. 94% of the accepted class of 2022 are in the top ten percent of their high school class. Do you know how to access the SCHEV statistics for all colleges in VA? Are you in NOVA? Obviously, your son's chances increase the further west and south in the state you live (assuming you are in-state).

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Forgot to mention that $1.2 was invested before Trump came to office so now worth over $2M, but YRMV. Children have no college or grad school debt, can start saving, understand the value of money, can put a down payment on a house and they are forever grateful. Just because privates are charging $65K to $85K a year doesn't make it an intelligent expenditure. They do it because they can get away with it because American parents are suckers in the college-admissions race. Didn't it ever occur to you odd that when an Ivy bumps its price tag to 75K that all the other private LACs and SLACs do too? They do it simply because they can - because American parents are buying into this insanity and bankrupting their families or saddling their children with hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt - but a third-rate LAC is not Harvard, just like a Ford is not a Mercedes - but the LAC knows there are desperate parents out there that will pay full-freight for Johnny to go to some LAC no one has ever heard of. So all privates follow suit and jack up their fees and parents like you pay justifying it because it's "a good fit". There are 4000 institutions of higher education in the United States. You do not have to saddle your kids with debt to get a college education of quality.

Ah yes, rich people are so dumb! They are ignorant spendthrifts! Or...maybe...they see value where you don't. Maybe...they know a thing or two more than you. Maybe...they just value a higher IQ dating pool for their kids. Whatever it is, calling wealthy people gullible fools for sending their kids to expensive prestigious colleges makes YOU the fool.

You think spending $75K in after-tax dollars for 8 months is sane?

To the rich, yes. They obviously see value in it. They're not all morons being fleeced by the higher-ed industrial complex. You have to be a real arrogant (read: delusional) SOB to think your broke butt is so smart, and all the wealthy sending their kids to expensive privates are dumb. I mean come on, get some self-awareness.

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Forgot to mention that $1.2 was invested before Trump came to office so now worth over $2M, but YRMV. Children have no college or grad school debt, can start saving, understand the value of money, can put a down payment on a house and they are forever grateful. Just because privates are charging $65K to $85K a year doesn't make it an intelligent expenditure. They do it because they can get away with it because American parents are suckers in the college-admissions race. Didn't it ever occur to you odd that when an Ivy bumps its price tag to 75K that all the other private LACs and SLACs do too? They do it simply because they can - because American parents are buying into this insanity and bankrupting their families or saddling their children with hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt - but a third-rate LAC is not Harvard, just like a Ford is not a Mercedes - but the LAC knows there are desperate parents out there that will pay full-freight for Johnny to go to some LAC no one has ever heard of. So all privates follow suit and jack up their fees and parents like you pay justifying it because it's "a good fit". There are 4000 institutions of higher education in the United States. You do not have to saddle your kids with debt to get a college education of quality.

Ah yes, rich people are so dumb! They are ignorant spendthrifts! Or...maybe...they see value where you don't. Maybe...they know a thing or two more than you. Maybe...they just value a higher IQ dating pool for their kids. Whatever it is, calling wealthy people gullible fools for sending their kids to expensive prestigious colleges makes YOU the fool.

You think spending $75K in after-tax dollars for 8 months is sane?

To the rich, yes. They obviously see value in it. They're not all morons being fleeced by the higher-ed industrial complex. You have to be a real arrogant (read: delusional) SOB to think your broke butt is so smart, and all the wealthy sending their kids to expensive privates are dumb. I mean come on, get some self-awareness.

Glad you are a snobby rich person. For the rest of us, you need to understand better how college pricing has grossly outpaced inflation. And why you don't want to saddle your kid with 100Ks of debt dollars. https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/freshman-year/college-tuition-fee-increases-continue-outpace-inflation-report-n457396. Read Andy Ferguson's (now somewhat dated), "One Dad's Experience in the College Admissions Process" (the title is something like that), especially the chapter on how USN&WR has forever altered the admissions process and pricing. The rich full pay person is not paying for value - that $75K is going mostly to cover the marketing expenses that colleges must now do to increase the number of applicants, just so they can turn them down, thereby lower selectivity numbers. That's why students now have to apply to an absurd number of 15 schools on average. It's an enormous racket. I see no change or "bust" as some are watching for so long as LACs and SLACs bring in full-pay international students. I know law school deans who pack their T3 schools with Chinese students ready and willing to pay $100K a year.

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Anonymous wrote:As a previous poster noted, UVA routinely goes on recruiting tours with Harvard and Yale. How many other state schools are invited to do that?

That is good, but others may be and we don't really know about it.

Here you go. http://www.hpuwy.com/. UVA routinely tours with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc. It is known as a Public Ivy.

Public Ivy.....lol, you are such a loser.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy
http://brandcollegeconsulting.com/what-are-the-public-ivies/
https://blog.prepscholar.com/public-ivy-league-schools
https://blog.prepscholar.com/public-ivy-league-schools (UVA no. 1)

You realize that "public ivy" is just a made up term, right? And you realize that the Ivy League is just an athletic league, right? And you realize that you sound insanely insecure about UVA, right?

Nope. Public Ivy is a real term used by college counselors. It can be a way to get a great education at a fraction of what other families are paying. http://brandcollegeconsulting.com/what-are-the-public-ivies/

Yes people have already said in state Uva is cheap. This is why it is so popular.

Cheap and good also. Like, say, Cal or Michigan. Texas I guess, also. Pretty steep drop off after that.

More like xlnt and inexpensive. The delta between UVA and an ivy can now be as much as $55,000 a year in after tax dollars (so you have to make $90K to pay for one year). For us the delta was $45K in after-tax dollars. We would have to make 85K a year to pay that. 85K a year x 5 years (75% of our nation's graduates are now taking 5-6 years to graduate ) = $410K or more. x two or three kids = Savings of $1.2 million. That delta went into the bank to pay for Ivy grad school.

No the connections one cultivates at te Ivies and access to more prestigious internships, firms, etc far out paces the initial cost difference vs UVA. It’s just not the same. It’s like saying an investment bank in Ft Lauderdale will have the same access as an investment bank on Wall Street. You are just not plugged into the same network and that is te difference. [/quote]


I went to an Ivy and I disagree. If you are in the D.C./MD/VA area, the network of UVA grads is much more useful than the occasional Harvard grad (whom in my experience don't like to help other alums). Like Virginia Tech, there is a very large and supportive UVA alum group here in D.C. and nationwide. It's like going to Berkeley and UCLA if you are staying in California = much more sane, cost-effective, great California contacts and xlnt chances of getting into an elite grad school program because, after all, the elite grad programs need diversity of universities that send them scholars. Your chances of getting into Yale Law are much better if you are applying from UVA than from Yale itself.

I disagree with your overall characterization, but will specifically focus on the comment about Yale Law and "your chances of getting into Yale Law are better from UVA than from Yale itself". Yale Law (which is one of the graduate school pinnacles) periodically publishes a bulletin that gives student counts by undergraduate institution. Yale had 69, UVA had 6. If you consider Yale has only 5,400 undergraduates vs. about 16,500, so a Yale undergraduate is about 35 times more likely to end up at Yale Law than a UVA undergraduate. http://bulletin.printer.yale.edu/pdffiles/law.pdf And it is not just Yale that performs well. Tiny Amherst has 18 undergraduates at Yale.

A lot of this is easy to understand if you look at the underlying stats. The average law school applicant from Yale undergraduate school in 2017 scored a 167.5 on the LSAT vs 160.8 for UVA. The average GPA of Yale applicants was 3.73 vs 3.43 for UVA. You can see this data at www.lsac.org.