Is the UVA and Charlottesville brand damaged forever?

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Anonymous wrote:For me, the lacrosse murder and then the Rolling Stone article were strike one and two with strike 3 being the neo nazi march. I don't think that makes me oversensitive.

To the PP who suggests the AA female student attend GMU instead, academically GMU might not be the right fit.

You do realize the Rolling Stone article was false? That Rolling Stone had to pay damages to UVA for that piece? UVA, as an institution, had nothing to do with the alt.right march. UVA didn't even know they were going to march there the night before the permit-allowed protest in Charlottesville.

As to the "lacrosse murder" I think you are confusing it with the Duke Lacrosse case. Please read here as to the 9 year old story of what actually happened, which could happen on any campus in the world. Huguely did not intend to kill his girlfriend. Alcohol was involved. Lacrosse was not. https://www.today.com/news/george-huguely-s-mother-speaks-out-first-time-death-yeardley-t107308

The lacrosse murder was UVA. ??

There was Hannah Graham too.

Yes. Love case was UVA.

UVA’s challenge is that every August will remind prospective applicants of their doubts about attending a southern school. Non-southerners are reminded of things like the Klu klux klan and civil rights marches and a very repulsive part of our country’s history. Last summer’s event only serves to remind that that racism continues to thrive in the south. Not super attractive

Another northerner thinks racism is a problem in the south alone. This is the kind of attitude less racists thrive in cities all over our country. Open your eyes. The people prosecuted after Charlottesville were from all over the country. They were attracted to Charlottesville because those two alumni called them in with the removal of the confederate statues as their excuse.

+1. NO active UVA students were involved in the 2017 incident. The protest was started by out-of-towners; Charlottesville gave them the permit. The incident had no relationship to UVA. There are confederate statues all over the country. Go to Gettysburg. Other areas of PA. Maryland. D.C.

There’s nothing else in Charlottesville besides UVA. And racism is heavily associated with the south because it was the south that fought to continue slavery. The KKK is a southern organization. Lynchings occur in the south.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Basically it's a state school that's not very good at any of the most demanding and difficult majors. That leaves lots of leisure time for drinking and bad/and or criminal behavior.

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That.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For me, the lacrosse murder and then the Rolling Stone article were strike one and two with strike 3 being the neo nazi march. I don't think that makes me oversensitive.

To the PP who suggests the AA female student attend GMU instead, academically GMU might not be the right fit.

You do realize the Rolling Stone article was false? That Rolling Stone had to pay damages to UVA for that piece? UVA, as an institution, had nothing to do with the alt.right march. UVA didn't even know they were going to march there the night before the permit-allowed protest in Charlottesville.

As to the "lacrosse murder" I think you are confusing it with the Duke Lacrosse case. Please read here as to the 9 year old story of what actually happened, which could happen on any campus in the world. Huguely did not intend to kill his girlfriend. Alcohol was involved. Lacrosse was not. https://www.today.com/news/george-huguely-s-mother-speaks-out-first-time-death-yeardley-t107308

Wait HOLD THE PHONE.

Did you just say "Huguely did not intend to kill his girlfriend"?????????

He was convicted of 2nd degree murder which is the INTENTIONAL murder of a person. He was convicted of INTENTIONALLY killing Yardley Love.

Are you insane! That's UVA for you.

Not insane. There is a huge difference between what a defendant's position is and what the judge or jury may find. You know that. How many prisoners have told you "they didn't do it". Here's what Huguely's lawyer said (from wiki): "Huguely's attorney, Fran Lawrence, stated: "Ms. Love's death was not intended but an accident with a tragic outcome." When the police first found her they and her roommate concluded it was alcohol poisoning. It was the jury that convicted Huguely of 2nd degree murder. Huguely didn't plead out and admit anything. He also appealed but the appeal was denied.

A rich white preppy lax UVA male didn't admit fault, well bless your heart.

Except the physical evidence showed he took her by her shoulders and violently beat her head against the headboard until she was dead.

He violently beat and murdered her.

Are you seriously saying that the defense statements are true, because you know you can lie in defense closing statements.

You are defending a UVA lacrosse player who violently murdered his girlfriend beacauae she drank that night? Or he drank so it doesn't count?

That's UVA for you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For me, the lacrosse murder and then the Rolling Stone article were strike one and two with strike 3 being the neo nazi march. I don't think that makes me oversensitive.

To the PP who suggests the AA female student attend GMU instead, academically GMU might not be the right fit.

You do realize the Rolling Stone article was false? That Rolling Stone had to pay damages to UVA for that piece? UVA, as an institution, had nothing to do with the alt.right march. UVA didn't even know they were going to march there the night before the permit-allowed protest in Charlottesville.

As to the "lacrosse murder" I think you are confusing it with the Duke Lacrosse case. Please read here as to the 9 year old story of what actually happened, which could happen on any campus in the world. Huguely did not intend to kill his girlfriend. Alcohol was involved. Lacrosse was not. https://www.today.com/news/george-huguely-s-mother-speaks-out-first-time-death-yeardley-t107308

The lacrosse murder was UVA. ??

There was Hannah Graham too.

Yes. Love case was UVA.

UVA’s challenge is that every August will remind prospective applicants of their doubts about attending a southern school. Non-southerners are reminded of things like the Klu klux klan and civil rights marches and a very repulsive part of our country’s history. Last summer’s event only serves to remind that that racism continues to thrive in the south. Not super attractive

Another northerner thinks racism is a problem in the south alone. This is the kind of attitude less racists thrive in cities all over our country. Open your eyes. The people prosecuted after Charlottesville were from all over the country. They were attracted to Charlottesville because those two alumni called them in with the removal of the confederate statues as their excuse.

+1. NO active UVA students were involved in the 2017 incident. The protest was started by out-of-towners; Charlottesville gave them the permit. The incident had no relationship to UVA. There are confederate statues all over the country. Go to Gettysburg. Other areas of PA. Maryland. D.C.

There’s nothing else in Charlottesville besides UVA. And racism is heavily associated with the south because it was the south that fought to continue slavery. The KKK is a southern organization. Lynchings occur in the south.

But your location doesn’t mean you can ignore the racism that is DEFINITELY around you IN THE PRESENT DAY. Too many northerners point to the south’s racist history and convince themselves that their house is in order. It is not. If you aren’t addressing racism in your community and simply point at southern states, you are upholding white supremacy. You are part of the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For me, the lacrosse murder and then the Rolling Stone article were strike one and two with strike 3 being the neo nazi march. I don't think that makes me oversensitive.

To the PP who suggests the AA female student attend GMU instead, academically GMU might not be the right fit.

You do realize the Rolling Stone article was false? That Rolling Stone had to pay damages to UVA for that piece? UVA, as an institution, had nothing to do with the alt.right march. UVA didn't even know they were going to march there the night before the permit-allowed protest in Charlottesville.

As to the "lacrosse murder" I think you are confusing it with the Duke Lacrosse case. Please read here as to the 9 year old story of what actually happened, which could happen on any campus in the world. Huguely did not intend to kill his girlfriend. Alcohol was involved. Lacrosse was not. https://www.today.com/news/george-huguely-s-mother-speaks-out-first-time-death-yeardley-t107308

The lacrosse murder was UVA. ??

There was Hannah Graham too.

Yes. Love case was UVA.

UVA’s challenge is that every August will remind prospective applicants of their doubts about attending a southern school. Non-southerners are reminded of things like the Klu klux klan and civil rights marches and a very repulsive part of our country’s history. Last summer’s event only serves to remind that that racism continues to thrive in the south. Not super attractive

Another northerner thinks racism is a problem in the south alone. This is the kind of attitude less racists thrive in cities all over our country. Open your eyes. The people prosecuted after Charlottesville were from all over the country. They were attracted to Charlottesville because those two alumni called them in with the removal of the confederate statues as their excuse.

+1. NO active UVA students were involved in the 2017 incident. The protest was started by out-of-towners; Charlottesville gave them the permit. The incident had no relationship to UVA. There are confederate statues all over the country. Go to Gettysburg. Other areas of PA. Maryland. D.C.

There’s nothing else in Charlottesville besides UVA. And racism is heavily associated with the south because it was the south that fought to continue slavery. The KKK is a southern organization. Lynchings occur in the south.

But your location doesn’t mean you can ignore the racism that is DEFINITELY around you IN THE PRESENT DAY. Too many northerners point to the south’s racist history and convince themselves that their house is in order. It is not. If you aren’t addressing racism in your community and simply point at southern states, you are upholding white supremacy. You are part of the problem.

Most Northern college towns haven’t had a statue celebrating the fight for slavery. Overt racism is the low-hanging fruit.

Systemic racism is a larger beast we do all need to address. It will take much longer to undo the damage of generations of slavery and poverty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most Northern college towns haven’t had a statue celebrating the fight for slavery. Overt racism is the low-hanging fruit.

Systemic racism is a larger beast we do all need to address. It will take much longer to undo the damage of generations of slavery and poverty.

Oh, there are statues to confederate people in states that didn't fight on the confederate side. I thought everyone knew that. Wow.

Systemic racism is everywhere. It's in schools, the workplace, local and state government, law enforcement. Everywhere. Too many northerners fold their arms and think this isn't their problem. Stop pointing down at Charlottesville and start working at your own table. If you aren't addressing this stuff in your family, in your workplace, and in your town, you are the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most Northern college towns haven’t had a statue celebrating the fight for slavery. Overt racism is the low-hanging fruit.

Systemic racism is a larger beast we do all need to address. It will take much longer to undo the damage of generations of slavery and poverty.

Oh, there are statues to confederate people in states that didn't fight on the confederate side. I thought everyone knew that. Wow.

Systemic racism is everywhere. It's in schools, the workplace, local and state government, law enforcement. Everywhere. Too many northerners fold their arms and think this isn't their problem. Stop pointing down at Charlottesville and start working at your own table. If you aren't addressing this stuff in your family, in your workplace, and in your town, you are the problem.

I’m addressing it in my family and town. You?

What confederate statues are in Cambridge, MA? New Haven, CT? Burlington, VT? Syracuse, NY? Amherst, MA? Ithaca, NY? Ann Arbor, MI? Providence, NH?

[Anonymous]

Just a handful in the Northeast. Most states have zero. Any in college towns? Nope.
https://boston.curbed.com/2017/8/16/16155606/massachusetts-confederate-memorial-removal

Thousands in the South though. Even schools are named after Confederate “heroes”.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1yDVZz93PUT3wDXpl4I-qmEQiSWqNtpzA&usp=sharing

Womp womp.

[Anonymous]

Racism s more than just confederate statues. Believe it or not the most uncomfortable I've ever been as a POC has been on Nantucket especially at private beach clubs. While the South has confederate statues which need to go, other parts of the country have racist institutions that need to be confronted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Racism s more than just confederate statues. Believe it or not the most uncomfortable I've ever been as a POC has been on Nantucket especially at private beach clubs. While the South has confederate statues which need to go, other parts of the country have racist institutions that need to be confronted.

No doubt. Sorry you experienced that.

We have lots of work left to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For me, the lacrosse murder and then the Rolling Stone article were strike one and two with strike 3 being the neo nazi march. I don't think that makes me oversensitive.

To the PP who suggests the AA female student attend GMU instead, academically GMU might not be the right fit.

You do realize the Rolling Stone article was false? That Rolling Stone had to pay damages to UVA for that piece? UVA, as an institution, had nothing to do with the alt.right march. UVA didn't even know they were going to march there the night before the permit-allowed protest in Charlottesville.

As to the "lacrosse murder" I think you are confusing it with the Duke Lacrosse case. Please read here as to the 9 year old story of what actually happened, which could happen on any campus in the world. Huguely did not intend to kill his girlfriend. Alcohol was involved. Lacrosse was not. https://www.today.com/news/george-huguely-s-mother-speaks-out-first-time-death-yeardley-t107308

The lacrosse murder was UVA. ??

There was Hannah Graham too.

Yes. Love case was UVA.

UVA’s challenge is that every August will remind prospective applicants of their doubts about attending a southern school. Non-southerners are reminded of things like the Klu klux klan and civil rights marches and a very repulsive part of our country’s history. Last summer’s event only serves to remind that that racism continues to thrive in the south. Not super attractive

Another northerner thinks racism is a problem in the south alone. This is the kind of attitude less racists thrive in cities all over our country. Open your eyes. The people prosecuted after Charlottesville were from all over the country. They were attracted to Charlottesville because those two alumni called them in with the removal of the confederate statues as their excuse.

+1. NO active UVA students were involved in the 2017 incident. The protest was started by out-of-towners; Charlottesville gave them the permit. The incident had no relationship to UVA. There are confederate statues all over the country. Go to Gettysburg. Other areas of PA. Maryland. D.C.

Why then did UVA hire Marc short?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Basically it's a state school that's not very good at any of the most demanding and difficult majors. That leaves lots of leisure time for drinking and bad/and or criminal behavior.

+1000
That.

I wonder why, then, it is ranked as one of the top schools in the country on so many lists. Any insights?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Racism s more than just confederate statues. Believe it or not the most uncomfortable I've ever been as a POC has been on Nantucket especially at private beach clubs. While the South has confederate statues which need to go, other parts of the country have racist institutions that need to be confronted.

Were you uncomfortable because you felt out of place being the only (or one of the only) POC there or did anybody do or say anything to make you uncomfortable?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Basically it's a state school that's not very good at any of the most demanding and difficult majors. That leaves lots of leisure time for drinking and bad/and or criminal behavior.

+1000
That.

I wonder why, then, it is ranked as one of the top schools in the country on so many lists. Any insights?

Indeed, UVA ranks 1, 2, or 3 public university for the last 27 years. https://news.virginia.edu/content/us-news-lists-uva-among-top-three-public-universities-27th-straight-year. It's the UMD people who start these threads and those who didn't get in showing sour grapes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most Northern college towns haven’t had a statue celebrating the fight for slavery. Overt racism is the low-hanging fruit.

Systemic racism is a larger beast we do all need to address. It will take much longer to undo the damage of generations of slavery and poverty.

Oh, there are statues to confederate people in states that didn't fight on the confederate side. I thought everyone knew that. Wow.

Systemic racism is everywhere. It's in schools, the workplace, local and state government, law enforcement. Everywhere. Too many northerners fold their arms and think this isn't their problem. Stop pointing down at Charlottesville and start working at your own table. If you aren't addressing this stuff in your family, in your workplace, and in your town, you are the problem.

I’m addressing it in my family and town. You?

What confederate statues are in Cambridge, MA? New Haven, CT? Burlington, VT? Syracuse, NY? Amherst, MA? Ithaca, NY? Ann Arbor, MI? Providence, NH?

The alt-right riot in Charlottesville was over the removal of one statue. The riots had nothing to do with UVA. It's likening a riot in Watts or Compton with USC, or a protest in Westwood with UCLA. You might be surprised to learn that confederate memorials, public and private, are all over the United States and in foreign countries as well. Please remember also that the Civil War wasn't exclusively about slavery. Confederate Memorials DO exist in Massachusetts, Vermont, New Jersey, Texas, Ohio, Kansas, California, Utah, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, Wisconsin, Maine, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Idaho, Delaware, the District of Columbia, Colorado and Hawaii. There are Confederate Memorial statues in the U.S. Capitol in the National Statuary Hall. Many of our military bases and ships, etc., were named after those who lost their lives in that terrible, bloody war. There are also Confederate Memorials in Brazil, Canada, Ireland and Scotland. I think it is good that we are reminded of the bloodshed from that event so it doesn't happen again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_monuments_and_memorials