Spanking

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What you're still not understanding is that they're making no effort to isolate correlative factors. Nor do they even distinguish mild spanking for specific defiance from frequent and constant spanking or hitting. You just can't draw meaningful conclusions from that data.

Well, anonymous internet person strangely devoted to spanking, I think I will stick with the conclusions drawn by the vast majority of scientists examining this problem, even though they are not able to do a neat spanking/no spanking study design.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What you're still not understanding is that they're making no effort to isolate correlative factors. Nor do they even distinguish mild spanking for specific defiance from frequent and constant spanking or hitting. You just can't draw meaningful conclusions from that data.

Well, anonymous internet person strangely devoted to spanking, I think I will stick with the conclusions drawn by the vast majority of scientists examining this problem, even though they are not able to do a neat spanking/no spanking study design.

OK. But remember, 50-90% of your children's friends are being spanked now. That may or may not color your interactions with them or their parents. Would it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What you're still not understanding is that they're making no effort to isolate correlative factors. Nor do they even distinguish mild spanking for specific defiance from frequent and constant spanking or hitting. You just can't draw meaningful conclusions from that data.

Well, anonymous internet person strangely devoted to spanking, I think I will stick with the conclusions drawn by the vast majority of scientists examining this problem, even though they are not able to do a neat spanking/no spanking study design.

OK. But remember, 50-90% of your children's friends are being spanked now. That may or may not color your interactions with them or their parents. Would it?

??

Perhaps in your circles, certainly not in mine, where spanking went the way of smoking decades ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What you're still not understanding is that they're making no effort to isolate correlative factors. Nor do they even distinguish mild spanking for specific defiance from frequent and constant spanking or hitting. You just can't draw meaningful conclusions from that data.

Well, anonymous internet person strangely devoted to spanking, I think I will stick with the conclusions drawn by the vast majority of scientists examining this problem, even though they are not able to do a neat spanking/no spanking study design.

OK. But remember, 50-90% of your children's friends are being spanked now. That may or may not color your interactions with them or their parents. Would it?

??

Perhaps in your circles, certainly not in mine, where spanking went the way of smoking decades ago.

Right. You believe this study, with this finding. But not the other studies, with the findings that 450-90% of parents spank.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What you're still not understanding is that they're making no effort to isolate correlative factors. Nor do they even distinguish mild spanking for specific defiance from frequent and constant spanking or hitting. You just can't draw meaningful conclusions from that data.

Well, anonymous internet person strangely devoted to spanking, I think I will stick with the conclusions drawn by the vast majority of scientists examining this problem, even though they are not able to do a neat spanking/no spanking study design.

OK. But remember, 50-90% of your children's friends are being spanked now. That may or may not color your interactions with them or their parents. Would it?

??

Perhaps in your circles, certainly not in mine, where spanking went the way of smoking decades ago.

+1 spankers are not evenly distributed throughout the country, communities. (Although some of my in laws do spank-I think its an unwise choice made by loving parents. I am not sure what effect if any it will have on the kids as the research speaks to consequences on a population level, not individual. They feel similarly about our non spanking.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another summary of the study:

http://news.utexas.edu/2016/04/25/risks-of-harm-from-spanking-confirmed-by-researchers

The more children are spanked, the more likely they are to defy their parents and to experience increased anti-social behavior, aggression, mental health problems and cognitive difficulties, according to a new meta-analysis of 50 years of research on spanking by experts at The University of Texas at Austin and the University of Michigan.

It could be the other way around, of course. Children with anti-social behavior, aggression, and mental health problems and cognitive difficulties were spanked more as children.

Aside from that, they did not say how they explained studies which showed no harm from spanking. Those studies exist, but this meta-study didn't seem to include them.

It's also possible (likely) that adults who have mental/emotional health problems are more likely to both hit children and produce children with anti-social behavior, aggression, mental health problems and cognitive difficulties.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What you're still not understanding is that they're making no effort to isolate correlative factors. Nor do they even distinguish mild spanking for specific defiance from frequent and constant spanking or hitting. You just can't draw meaningful conclusions from that data.

You must be one of those people who disregard studies when they don't fit what you need to believe for your own comfort purposes.

No, I'm just one of those people who disregards studies that are not scientifically sound. I have too much respect for the Scientific Method to pay any mind to this crap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What you're still not understanding is that they're making no effort to isolate correlative factors. Nor do they even distinguish mild spanking for specific defiance from frequent and constant spanking or hitting. You just can't draw meaningful conclusions from that data.

"mild spanking"

Calling it that might make you feel more civilized but the most accurate terminology is hitting children.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What you're still not understanding is that they're making no effort to isolate correlative factors. Nor do they even distinguish mild spanking for specific defiance from frequent and constant spanking or hitting. You just can't draw meaningful conclusions from that data.

You must be one of those people who disregard studies when they don't fit what you need to believe for your own comfort purposes.

No, I'm just one of those people who disregards studies that are not scientifically sound. I have too much respect for the Scientific Method to pay any mind to this crap.

Unfortunately, that seems to be nearly all of them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It hoovers around 65% of parents who do across childhood. The big study that just came out against was a meta-analysis by 2 universitys looking at 160,000 participants over 50 years of other studies, publised in the Journal of Family Psychology. Points to negative short term (not effective) and negative long term (self esteem, learning and social) outcomes. Doesn't work for the now and hurts the future.

The onus of the evidence should be on the people who commit physical violence against their kids (or spouses).

Dear spanking-loving folks,

Can you please show us the well-published Randomized Control Trials that prove spanking works?

Thank you in advance

I can see in my own life that it works. Why would I need a study to confirm that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What you're still not understanding is that they're making no effort to isolate correlative factors. Nor do they even distinguish mild spanking for specific defiance from frequent and constant spanking or hitting. You just can't draw meaningful conclusions from that data.

You must be one of those people who disregard studies when they don't fit what you need to believe for your own comfort purposes.

No, I'm just one of those people who disregards studies that are not scientifically sound. I have too much respect for the Scientific Method to pay any mind to this crap.

Unfortunately, that seems to be nearly all of them.

Yes, that is unfortunate indeed. But a lack of sound studies does not make a bad study good.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What you're still not understanding is that they're making no effort to isolate correlative factors. Nor do they even distinguish mild spanking for specific defiance from frequent and constant spanking or hitting. You just can't draw meaningful conclusions from that data.

Despite hundreds and hundreds of studies, the general public, and sometimes even some social scientists, can’t seem to agree on how harmful or beneficial spanking is. Part of the problem is that the research on spanking is messy. It’s hard to separate out all the different factors that might influence how a child turns out, and spanking has a chicken-or-egg problem: Do more difficult children simply get spanked more by their parents, or does getting spanked cause kids to act out and misbehave more? (The handful of long-term studies looking at this question point to the latter.) But the research isn’t so messy that clear patterns haven’t emerged from it: the vast majority of social scientists agree that spanking can lead to problems in childhood and adulthood and doesn’t have any real upsides[u].

Show me where they've actually done what they claim to have done, that is, where and how have they isolated the correlation factors?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What you're still not understanding is that they're making no effort to isolate correlative factors. Nor do they even distinguish mild spanking for specific defiance from frequent and constant spanking or hitting. You just can't draw meaningful conclusions from that data.

Well, anonymous internet person strangely devoted to spanking, I think I will stick with the conclusions drawn by the vast majority of scientists examining this problem, even though they are not able to do a neat spanking/no spanking study design.

What you don't even realize is that I'm not a supporter of spanking at all. It's just not our choice. But there's no science that says it's bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What you're still not understanding is that they're making no effort to isolate correlative factors. Nor do they even distinguish mild spanking for specific defiance from frequent and constant spanking or hitting. You just can't draw meaningful conclusions from that data.

Well, anonymous internet person strangely devoted to spanking, I think I will stick with the conclusions drawn by the vast majority of scientists examining this problem, even though they are not able to do a neat spanking/no spanking study design.

OK. But remember, 50-90% of your children's friends are being spanked now. That may or may not color your interactions with them or their parents. Would it?

??

Perhaps in your circles, certainly not in mine, where spanking went the way of smoking decades ago.

np. No, it most certainly did not. Furthermore, responding to one of the commenters upthread, my sister is a pediatrician who spanks her kids.

Scientists who decide to study spanking are also a self-selecting group, keep in mind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It hoovers around 65% of parents who do across childhood. The big study that just came out against was a meta-analysis by 2 universitys looking at 160,000 participants over 50 years of other studies, publised in the Journal of Family Psychology. Points to negative short term (not effective) and negative long term (self esteem, learning and social) outcomes. Doesn't work for the now and hurts the future.

The onus of the evidence should be on the people who commit physical violence against their kids (or spouses).

Dear spanking-loving folks,

Can you please show us the well-published Randomized Control Trials that prove spanking works?

Thank you in advance

I can see in my own life that it works. Why would I need a study to confirm that?

How do you know that it works? How would your children behave and more importantly what kind of relationship would they have with you if you'd managed to raise them without ever hitting them? How confident would they be, how safe would the feel and what kind of relationships would they form as adults?