The T-20 obsession comes down to class, right?

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Anonymous wrote:To me this seems primarily an East Coast obsession.

If you have spent time in the bay area immigrant community you wouldn't say that. Among the non-immigrant upper class private school crowd on the West Coast things seem to be a bit more chill. Very good schools or better are expected but the T20 obsession definitely isn't as strong.

That's because rich people don't need their kids to go to a T10 to make connections. They already have those connections. Their kids will get the top jobs through those connections.

Unhooked kids can benefit most from the T10 connections, but most of the universities have more spots open for legacies, the wealthy and athletes than for unhooked applicatns.

While, this is intuitively true...the wealthiest, most connected rich people still send their kids to T10 schools. Gates' kids at Stanford, Bezos' kids at Princeton (transferred to MIT), Musk's kid at Brown, etc.

It's simply a strange, urban myth that rich parents aren't pretty obsessed with their kids also attending top schools. The crazy top college consultants charge like $750,000 to children of hedge fund founders, PE fund founders, Tech entrepreneurs...and yes, very wealthy international families (though those families are a far cry from immigrant families in the US).

I don't doubt that, and I bet they hide the obsession with elite colleges from other parents. They like to play it off cool.. "Oh, I don't really care where Larla goes to college as long as it's a good fit and they are happy there", all while paying $$$ to college consultants to get their kids into the most prestigious college they can.

I paid $100 for a college student to read one of my DC's essays. Other than that, we didn't pay for any tutors (for any SAT/AP exams) or college consultants. The one person I know who did pay $$$ for a college consultant was an umc white parent.

The stereotyping of Asian parents on this board is off the charts.

-asian immigrant parent

Putting it another way for you: racism and jealousy from the white people are off the chart here.

I think these white parents hate that Asian kids "strive" too hard, making it harder for their kids. They believe that these Asian kids' efforts should be purely based on innate talent. But then these same white parents will pay up the nose for travel sports, college counselors and all kinds of extra curriculars; send them to private schools.. all to package their kid's college application.

This kind of thing happened in the town of Princeton years ago when the white parents didn't like that the Asian kids were coming into their HS with their studying and work ethic, making it harder for their white kids to keep up. The white parents wanted their kids to be able to be involved in extra curriculars and have top grades, but it was getting harder to do that because the Asian kids came into town and up'd the academic rigor. Said Asian students also had extra curriculars and kept their grades up. But, the white parents didn't like that there was "too much pressure" now on their kids.

Same old sh(t - blame the others for taking away what you think is rightfully yours without you having to work too hard. This is very MAGA.

According to my observation, this is actually the case for the most part, i.e., Asian kids tend to have much more raw talent than their white counterparts, which I believe is where the jealousy is really from. For example, look at the IMO outcomes and team selection process, Asians simply dominate. This is not something that can be made up for by work ethic. But white people are just too jealous and reluctant to admit it.

Asians dominate because pretty much only Asians participate.

nah although whites do get discouraged to participate because they're dominated.

It’s just not a western thing. Some Eastern European whites but mostly east and south Asian kids doIMO.

Yeah sure. White people aren't interested in basketball either, I guess.

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Why Asians have more “raw” talent? I don’t think it’s true.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s the opportunity/connection for us. My kid got in unhooked -Ivy. His Major really benefits from the school (not stem).

+1 for us as well

For STEM/nursing/accounting type majors the school does not matter that much but for humanities/social science it really does. Unfortunately.

Does it? Can you provide specific examples where it does?

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Anonymous wrote:Why Asians have more “raw” talent? I don’t think it’s true.

https://www.thecaliforniacourier.com/average-iq-by-country-2025-update/

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Anonymous wrote:Why Asians have more “raw” talent? I don’t think it’s true.

I mean, judging by how many Asians sign their kids up for 6 hours of cram school after the normal school day...that's the opposite of raw talent.

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Anonymous wrote:Why Asians have more “raw” talent? I don’t think it’s true.

I mean, judging by how many Asians sign their kids up for 6 hours of cram school after the normal school day...that's the opposite of raw talent.

All I can tell is you don't have any raw talent judging by how you came up with your conclusion.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course it is all about social mobility.

But the parents on this board who are freaking out the most send their kids to private schools. Seems like they don't need to move up because they are already there.

It’s about maintaining it for the next generation. If Larla and Larlo end up at the state flagship they will mix with the wrong crowd, not get into the right country clubs and then before you know it the family is part of the proletariat.

This.

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I would be so upset if DD attended a T-20 and married into a family that believed they were so much better than everyone else. That is not just our style at all. We prefer to keep our wealth stealth and UVA/W&M suit our kids perfectly.

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Anonymous wrote:Why Asians have more “raw” talent? I don’t think it’s true.

Only a handful of Nobel laureates of Asian descendants.

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Anonymous wrote:Why Asians have more “raw” talent? I don’t think it’s true.

Only a handful of Nobel laureates of Asian descendants.

First of all, that's not true. Second, there're a whole lot of factors playing for winning a Nobel Prize than simply "raw talent".

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Anonymous wrote:Why Asians have more “raw” talent? I don’t think it’s true.

Only a handful of Nobel laureates of Asian descendants.

First of all, that's not true. Second, there're a whole lot of factors playing for winning a Nobel Prize than simply "raw talent".

Einstein once described them “peculiar”, “herd like”.

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Anonymous wrote:Why Asians have more “raw” talent? I don’t think it’s true.

Only a handful of Nobel laureates of Asian descendants.

First of all, that's not true. Second, there're a whole lot of factors playing for winning a Nobel Prize than simply "raw talent".

Einstein once described them “peculiar”, “herd like”.

Who is Einstein? Why do his racist remarks matter? I'm more comfortable with stereotyping white people as incests and pedos, which is closer to the truth.

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Anonymous wrote:Why Asians have more “raw” talent? I don’t think it’s true.

Only a handful of Nobel laureates of Asian descendants.

First of all, that's not true. Second, there're a whole lot of factors playing for winning a Nobel Prize than simply "raw talent".

Einstein once described them “peculiar”, “herd like”.

You mean Epstein? Sounds like they're the same people.

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So interesting that I say a poster is "full of shit" when they truly were and it gets reported and deleted while the two of you (or however many of you there are) throw racist insults and stereotypes back and forth and that's just fine.

Just as bizarre as TV. You can show somebody's head get blown off but can't show a boobie.

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Anonymous wrote:Why Asians have more “raw” talent? I don’t think it’s true.

I mean, judging by how many Asians sign their kids up for 6 hours of cram school after the normal school day...that's the opposite of raw talent.

Same for white kids in travel sports, come now, big brain or big muscles...same thing, exercising is exercising.