The T-20 obsession comes down to class, right?

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Anyone who takes a US News ranking as important is a twit. They mean absolutely nothing. You are better off looking through the distribution of a federal research institution’s dollars from NIH, NSF, to a university and a particular major DC cares about. PhD program outputs and placements mean much more than how an undergrad university is ranked by an irrelevant news organization. Many classes, even at the coveted Top 20 schools that are private, are touched by TAs in some manner.

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It’s really puzzling.

I live in the South and kids from our best local private school with wealthiest parents (doctors, lawyers, business management) are not doing this race to top colleges.

I’m looking at 2026 decisions.

Most kids go to local big state schools. Some go to small privates with high acceptance rates.

Only 2 kids got into top 10 and these are Asian kids.

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Everyone is obsessed with T-20. You need to be in a top program the school is known for. In other words, you need to be in a feeder/target or semi target at least. Being in a T-20 doing some crappy major won’t land you that six figures salary.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s really puzzling.

I live in the South and kids from our best local private school with wealthiest parents (doctors, lawyers, business management) are not doing this race to top colleges.

I’m looking at 2026 decisions.

Most kids go to local big state schools. Some go to small privates with high acceptance rates.

Only 2 kids got into top 10 and these are Asian kids.

You’re assuming the riches can get in whatever colleges they want to go. It’s a wrong assumption unless you donate $100million.

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Anonymous wrote:To me this seems primarily an East Coast obsession.

If you have spent time in the bay area immigrant community you wouldn't say that. Among the non-immigrant upper class private school crowd on the West Coast things seem to be a bit more chill. Very good schools or better are expected but the T20 obsession definitely isn't as strong.

That's because rich people don't need their kids to go to a T10 to make connections. They already have those connections. Their kids will get the top jobs through those connections.

Unhooked kids can benefit most from the T10 connections, but most of the universities have more spots open for legacies, the wealthy and athletes than for unhooked applicatns.

While, this is intuitively true...the wealthiest, most connected rich people still send their kids to T10 schools. Gates' kids at Stanford, Bezos' kids at Princeton (transferred to MIT), Musk's kid at Brown, etc.

It's simply a strange, urban myth that rich parents aren't pretty obsessed with their kids also attending top schools. The crazy top college consultants charge like $750,000 to children of hedge fund founders, PE fund founders, Tech entrepreneurs...and yes, very wealthy international families (though those families are a far cry from immigrant families in the US).

I don't doubt that, and I bet they hide the obsession with elite colleges from other parents. They like to play it off cool.. "Oh, I don't really care where Larla goes to college as long as it's a good fit and they are happy there", all while paying $$$ to college consultants to get their kids into the most prestigious college they can.

I paid $100 for a college student to read one of my DC's essays. Other than that, we didn't pay for any tutors (for any SAT/AP exams) or college consultants. The one person I know who did pay $$$ for a college consultant was an umc white parent.

The stereotyping of Asian parents on this board is off the charts.

-asian immigrant parent

Putting it another way for you: racism and jealousy from the white people are off the chart here.

I think these white parents hate that Asian kids "strive" too hard, making it harder for their kids. They believe that these Asian kids' efforts should be purely based on innate talent. But then these same white parents will pay up the nose for travel sports, college counselors and all kinds of extra curriculars; send them to private schools.. all to package their kid's college application.

This kind of thing happened in the town of Princeton years ago when the white parents didn't like that the Asian kids were coming into their HS with their studying and work ethic, making it harder for their white kids to keep up. The white parents wanted their kids to be able to be involved in extra curriculars and have top grades, but it was getting harder to do that because the Asian kids came into town and up'd the academic rigor. Said Asian students also had extra curriculars and kept their grades up. But, the white parents didn't like that there was "too much pressure" now on their kids.

Same old sh(t - blame the others for taking away what you think is rightfully yours without you having to work too hard. This is very MAGA.

According to my observation, this is actually the case for the most part, i.e., Asian kids tend to have much more raw talent than their white counterparts, which I believe is where the jealousy is really from. For example, look at the IMO outcomes and team selection process, Asians simply dominate. This is not something that can be made up for by work ethic. But white people are just too jealous and reluctant to admit it.

Asians dominate because pretty much only Asians participate.

nah although whites do get discouraged to participate because they're dominated.

It’s just not a western thing. Some Eastern European whites but mostly east and south Asian kids doIMO.

Yeah sure. White people aren't interested in basketball either, I guess.

I think that you believed that you had a clever riposte but trust me you didn't. Trying to equate an American sport played worldwide to a math competition shows exactly how much you misunderstand society.

It’s the same thing: white people couldn’t compete in those areas, not they don’t want to. Trying to paint it in way it isn’t is laughable.

Your racism is disgraceful
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Telling the truth is not racism. Providing counter argument to the white supremacy claims by DCUM is not racism. What actually is racism is white people viciously stereotyping Asian kids as grinders regardless their superior talent.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s really puzzling.

I live in the South and kids from our best local private school with wealthiest parents (doctors, lawyers, business management) are not doing this race to top colleges.

I’m looking at 2026 decisions.

Most kids go to local big state schools. Some go to small privates with high acceptance rates.

Only 2 kids got into top 10 and these are Asian kids.

Where? Go look at Atlanta private school matriculations. Tons of kids going to NE Ivy and other selective schools, as well Duke and Vanderbilt et al.

Same experience with a wealthy client in Birmingham, AL. Kids attend private school and many go OOS to selective private schools, including his own who are at Princeton and Vanderbilt.

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Anonymous wrote:To me this seems primarily an East Coast obsession.

If you have spent time in the bay area immigrant community you wouldn't say that. Among the non-immigrant upper class private school crowd on the West Coast things seem to be a bit more chill. Very good schools or better are expected but the T20 obsession definitely isn't as strong.

That's because rich people don't need their kids to go to a T10 to make connections. They already have those connections. Their kids will get the top jobs through those connections.

Unhooked kids can benefit most from the T10 connections, but most of the universities have more spots open for legacies, the wealthy and athletes than for unhooked applicatns.

While, this is intuitively true...the wealthiest, most connected rich people still send their kids to T10 schools. Gates' kids at Stanford, Bezos' kids at Princeton (transferred to MIT), Musk's kid at Brown, etc.

It's simply a strange, urban myth that rich parents aren't pretty obsessed with their kids also attending top schools. The crazy top college consultants charge like $750,000 to children of hedge fund founders, PE fund founders, Tech entrepreneurs...and yes, very wealthy international families (though those families are a far cry from immigrant families in the US).

I don't doubt that, and I bet they hide the obsession with elite colleges from other parents. They like to play it off cool.. "Oh, I don't really care where Larla goes to college as long as it's a good fit and they are happy there", all while paying $$$ to college consultants to get their kids into the most prestigious college they can.

I paid $100 for a college student to read one of my DC's essays. Other than that, we didn't pay for any tutors (for any SAT/AP exams) or college consultants. The one person I know who did pay $$$ for a college consultant was an umc white parent.

The stereotyping of Asian parents on this board is off the charts.

-asian immigrant parent

Putting it another way for you: racism and jealousy from the white people are off the chart here.

I think these white parents hate that Asian kids "strive" too hard, making it harder for their kids. They believe that these Asian kids' efforts should be purely based on innate talent. But then these same white parents will pay up the nose for travel sports, college counselors and all kinds of extra curriculars; send them to private schools.. all to package their kid's college application.

This kind of thing happened in the town of Princeton years ago when the white parents didn't like that the Asian kids were coming into their HS with their studying and work ethic, making it harder for their white kids to keep up. The white parents wanted their kids to be able to be involved in extra curriculars and have top grades, but it was getting harder to do that because the Asian kids came into town and up'd the academic rigor. Said Asian students also had extra curriculars and kept their grades up. But, the white parents didn't like that there was "too much pressure" now on their kids.

Same old sh(t - blame the others for taking away what you think is rightfully yours without you having to work too hard. This is very MAGA.

According to my observation, this is actually the case for the most part, i.e., Asian kids tend to have much more raw talent than their white counterparts, which I believe is where the jealousy is really from. For example, look at the IMO outcomes and team selection process, Asians simply dominate. This is not something that can be made up for by work ethic. But white people are just too jealous and reluctant to admit it.

If you have been to Asia, you would know this is simply untrue. Asia also has its fair share of dimwits and low performers. Heck, you dont even have to go to Asia. Just look around even the middling schools here.
It is by sheer population numbers that Asian students seem to dominate. When 1/6th of the world's population in Mainland Chinese, you will have that proportionate share of talent.

https://www.thecaliforniacourier.com/average-iq-by-country-2025-update/
And the way you argue provides strong evidence of those numbers.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who takes a US News ranking as important is a twit. They mean absolutely nothing. You are better off looking through the distribution of a federal research institution’s dollars from NIH, NSF, to a university and a particular major DC cares about. PhD program outputs and placements mean much more than how an undergrad university is ranked by an irrelevant news organization. Many classes, even at the coveted Top 20 schools that are private, are touched by TAs in some manner.

Perhaps rankings should have a disclaimer as to who they are perhaps most meaningful, but your criteria (which would of course produce a ranking) seem also geared to a specific audience.

Of course, even by your criteria, I bet if you produced a Top 20 it would look very much like the USNews Top 20. Maybe the only differences are that like a University of Washington would move up in the rankings as they often place highly in World Rankings that are much more based on the criteria you list.

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Same experience with a wealthy client in Birmingham, AL. Kids attend private school and many go OOS to selective private schools, including his own who are at Princeton and Vanderbilt.

Can you give me the name of the school? Or their IG decision link?
I’m in AL too, but another town, but like I said, my experience is different.

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Anonymous wrote:To me this seems primarily an East Coast obsession.

If you have spent time in the bay area immigrant community you wouldn't say that. Among the non-immigrant upper class private school crowd on the West Coast things seem to be a bit more chill. Very good schools or better are expected but the T20 obsession definitely isn't as strong.

That's because rich people don't need their kids to go to a T10 to make connections. They already have those connections. Their kids will get the top jobs through those connections.

Unhooked kids can benefit most from the T10 connections, but most of the universities have more spots open for legacies, the wealthy and athletes than for unhooked applicatns.

While, this is intuitively true...the wealthiest, most connected rich people still send their kids to T10 schools. Gates' kids at Stanford, Bezos' kids at Princeton (transferred to MIT), Musk's kid at Brown, etc.

It's simply a strange, urban myth that rich parents aren't pretty obsessed with their kids also attending top schools. The crazy top college consultants charge like $750,000 to children of hedge fund founders, PE fund founders, Tech entrepreneurs...and yes, very wealthy international families (though those families are a far cry from immigrant families in the US).

I don't doubt that, and I bet they hide the obsession with elite colleges from other parents. They like to play it off cool.. "Oh, I don't really care where Larla goes to college as long as it's a good fit and they are happy there", all while paying $$$ to college consultants to get their kids into the most prestigious college they can.

I paid $100 for a college student to read one of my DC's essays. Other than that, we didn't pay for any tutors (for any SAT/AP exams) or college consultants. The one person I know who did pay $$$ for a college consultant was an umc white parent.

The stereotyping of Asian parents on this board is off the charts.

-asian immigrant parent

Putting it another way for you: racism and jealousy from the white people are off the chart here.

I think these white parents hate that Asian kids "strive" too hard, making it harder for their kids. They believe that these Asian kids' efforts should be purely based on innate talent. But then these same white parents will pay up the nose for travel sports, college counselors and all kinds of extra curriculars; send them to private schools.. all to package their kid's college application.

This kind of thing happened in the town of Princeton years ago when the white parents didn't like that the Asian kids were coming into their HS with their studying and work ethic, making it harder for their white kids to keep up. The white parents wanted their kids to be able to be involved in extra curriculars and have top grades, but it was getting harder to do that because the Asian kids came into town and up'd the academic rigor. Said Asian students also had extra curriculars and kept their grades up. But, the white parents didn't like that there was "too much pressure" now on their kids.

Same old sh(t - blame the others for taking away what you think is rightfully yours without you having to work too hard. This is very MAGA.

According to my observation, this is actually the case for the most part, i.e., Asian kids tend to have much more raw talent than their white counterparts, which I believe is where the jealousy is really from. For example, look at the IMO outcomes and team selection process, Asians simply dominate. This is not something that can be made up for by work ethic. But white people are just too jealous and reluctant to admit it.

Asians dominate because pretty much only Asians participate.

nah although whites do get discouraged to participate because they're dominated.

It’s just not a western thing. Some Eastern European whites but mostly east and south Asian kids doIMO.

Yeah sure. White people aren't interested in basketball either, I guess.

I think that you believed that you had a clever riposte but trust me you didn't. Trying to equate an American sport played worldwide to a math competition shows exactly how much you misunderstand society.

It’s the same thing: white people couldn’t compete in those areas, not they don’t want to. Trying to paint it in way it isn’t is laughable.

Your racism is disgraceful
.

Telling the truth is not racism. Providing counter argument to the white supremacy claims by DCUM is not racism. What actually is racism is white people viciously stereotyping Asian kids as grinders regardless their superior talent.

You just did it again…..disgusting racist.

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Anonymous wrote:To me this seems primarily an East Coast obsession.

If you have spent time in the bay area immigrant community you wouldn't say that. Among the non-immigrant upper class private school crowd on the West Coast things seem to be a bit more chill. Very good schools or better are expected but the T20 obsession definitely isn't as strong.

That's because rich people don't need their kids to go to a T10 to make connections. They already have those connections. Their kids will get the top jobs through those connections.

Unhooked kids can benefit most from the T10 connections, but most of the universities have more spots open for legacies, the wealthy and athletes than for unhooked applicatns.

While, this is intuitively true...the wealthiest, most connected rich people still send their kids to T10 schools. Gates' kids at Stanford, Bezos' kids at Princeton (transferred to MIT), Musk's kid at Brown, etc.

It's simply a strange, urban myth that rich parents aren't pretty obsessed with their kids also attending top schools. The crazy top college consultants charge like $750,000 to children of hedge fund founders, PE fund founders, Tech entrepreneurs...and yes, very wealthy international families (though those families are a far cry from immigrant families in the US).

I don't doubt that, and I bet they hide the obsession with elite colleges from other parents. They like to play it off cool.. "Oh, I don't really care where Larla goes to college as long as it's a good fit and they are happy there", all while paying $$$ to college consultants to get their kids into the most prestigious college they can.

I paid $100 for a college student to read one of my DC's essays. Other than that, we didn't pay for any tutors (for any SAT/AP exams) or college consultants. The one person I know who did pay $$$ for a college consultant was an umc white parent.

The stereotyping of Asian parents on this board is off the charts.

-asian immigrant parent

Putting it another way for you: racism and jealousy from the white people are off the chart here.

I think these white parents hate that Asian kids "strive" too hard, making it harder for their kids. They believe that these Asian kids' efforts should be purely based on innate talent. But then these same white parents will pay up the nose for travel sports, college counselors and all kinds of extra curriculars; send them to private schools.. all to package their kid's college application.

This kind of thing happened in the town of Princeton years ago when the white parents didn't like that the Asian kids were coming into their HS with their studying and work ethic, making it harder for their white kids to keep up. The white parents wanted their kids to be able to be involved in extra curriculars and have top grades, but it was getting harder to do that because the Asian kids came into town and up'd the academic rigor. Said Asian students also had extra curriculars and kept their grades up. But, the white parents didn't like that there was "too much pressure" now on their kids.

Same old sh(t - blame the others for taking away what you think is rightfully yours without you having to work too hard. This is very MAGA.

According to my observation, this is actually the case for the most part, i.e., Asian kids tend to have much more raw talent than their white counterparts, which I believe is where the jealousy is really from. For example, look at the IMO outcomes and team selection process, Asians simply dominate. This is not something that can be made up for by work ethic. But white people are just too jealous and reluctant to admit it.

Asians dominate because pretty much only Asians participate.

nah although whites do get discouraged to participate because they're dominated.

It’s just not a western thing. Some Eastern European whites but mostly east and south Asian kids doIMO.

Yeah sure. White people aren't interested in basketball either, I guess.

I think that you believed that you had a clever riposte but trust me you didn't. Trying to equate an American sport played worldwide to a math competition shows exactly how much you misunderstand society.

It’s the same thing: white people couldn’t compete in those areas, not they don’t want to. Trying to paint it in way it isn’t is laughable.

Your racism is disgraceful
.

Telling the truth is not racism. Providing counter argument to the white supremacy claims by DCUM is not racism. What actually is racism is white people viciously stereotyping Asian kids as grinders regardless their superior talent.

You just did it again…..disgusting racist.

Ok. I see your point. Only advocating for white supremacy isn’t racism.