The T-20 obsession comes down to class, right?

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Asians are Okay. Indians are Okay. Africans are okay. Whites are Okay. Persians are okay. Everyone is Okay.

My God, don't some of you have more sh**t to discuss than arguing over whether X race is better than Y raise?

Go pick up the Vaseline or get busy with your spouse for real lol

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Anonymous wrote:To me this seems primarily an East Coast obsession.

If you have spent time in the bay area immigrant community you wouldn't say that. Among the non-immigrant upper class private school crowd on the West Coast things seem to be a bit more chill. Very good schools or better are expected but the T20 obsession definitely isn't as strong.

That's because rich people don't need their kids to go to a T10 to make connections. They already have those connections. Their kids will get the top jobs through those connections.

Unhooked kids can benefit most from the T10 connections, but most of the universities have more spots open for legacies, the wealthy and athletes than for unhooked applicatns.

While, this is intuitively true...the wealthiest, most connected rich people still send their kids to T10 schools. Gates' kids at Stanford, Bezos' kids at Princeton (transferred to MIT), Musk's kid at Brown, etc.

It's simply a strange, urban myth that rich parents aren't pretty obsessed with their kids also attending top schools. The crazy top college consultants charge like $750,000 to children of hedge fund founders, PE fund founders, Tech entrepreneurs...and yes, very wealthy international families (though those families are a far cry from immigrant families in the US).

I don't doubt that, and I bet they hide the obsession with elite colleges from other parents. They like to play it off cool.. "Oh, I don't really care where Larla goes to college as long as it's a good fit and they are happy there", all while paying $$$ to college consultants to get their kids into the most prestigious college they can.

I paid $100 for a college student to read one of my DC's essays. Other than that, we didn't pay for any tutors (for any SAT/AP exams) or college consultants. The one person I know who did pay $$$ for a college consultant was an umc white parent.

The stereotyping of Asian parents on this board is off the charts.

-asian immigrant parent

Putting it another way for you: racism and jealousy from the white people are off the chart here.

I think these white parents hate that Asian kids "strive" too hard, making it harder for their kids. They believe that these Asian kids' efforts should be purely based on innate talent. But then these same white parents will pay up the nose for travel sports, college counselors and all kinds of extra curriculars; send them to private schools.. all to package their kid's college application.

This kind of thing happened in the town of Princeton years ago when the white parents didn't like that the Asian kids were coming into their HS with their studying and work ethic, making it harder for their white kids to keep up. The white parents wanted their kids to be able to be involved in extra curriculars and have top grades, but it was getting harder to do that because the Asian kids came into town and up'd the academic rigor. Said Asian students also had extra curriculars and kept their grades up. But, the white parents didn't like that there was "too much pressure" now on their kids.

Same old sh(t - blame the others for taking away what you think is rightfully yours without you having to work too hard. This is very MAGA.

According to my observation, this is actually the case for the most part, i.e., Asian kids tend to have much more raw talent than their white counterparts, which I believe is where the jealousy is really from. For example, look at the IMO outcomes and team selection process, Asians simply dominate. This is not something that can be made up for by work ethic. But white people are just too jealous and reluctant to admit it.

Asians dominate because pretty much only Asians participate.

nah although whites do get discouraged to participate because they're dominated.

Unfortunatley this isn't true. I wish that it was because that would be a better outcome than the non-participation.

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Anonymous wrote:To me this seems primarily an East Coast obsession.

If you have spent time in the bay area immigrant community you wouldn't say that. Among the non-immigrant upper class private school crowd on the West Coast things seem to be a bit more chill. Very good schools or better are expected but the T20 obsession definitely isn't as strong.

That's because rich people don't need their kids to go to a T10 to make connections. They already have those connections. Their kids will get the top jobs through those connections.

Unhooked kids can benefit most from the T10 connections, but most of the universities have more spots open for legacies, the wealthy and athletes than for unhooked applicatns.

While, this is intuitively true...the wealthiest, most connected rich people still send their kids to T10 schools. Gates' kids at Stanford, Bezos' kids at Princeton (transferred to MIT), Musk's kid at Brown, etc.

It's simply a strange, urban myth that rich parents aren't pretty obsessed with their kids also attending top schools. The crazy top college consultants charge like $750,000 to children of hedge fund founders, PE fund founders, Tech entrepreneurs...and yes, very wealthy international families (though those families are a far cry from immigrant families in the US).

I don't doubt that, and I bet they hide the obsession with elite colleges from other parents. They like to play it off cool.. "Oh, I don't really care where Larla goes to college as long as it's a good fit and they are happy there", all while paying $$$ to college consultants to get their kids into the most prestigious college they can.

I paid $100 for a college student to read one of my DC's essays. Other than that, we didn't pay for any tutors (for any SAT/AP exams) or college consultants. The one person I know who did pay $$$ for a college consultant was an umc white parent.

The stereotyping of Asian parents on this board is off the charts.

-asian immigrant parent

Putting it another way for you: racism and jealousy from the white people are off the chart here.

I think these white parents hate that Asian kids "strive" too hard, making it harder for their kids. They believe that these Asian kids' efforts should be purely based on innate talent. But then these same white parents will pay up the nose for travel sports, college counselors and all kinds of extra curriculars; send them to private schools.. all to package their kid's college application.

This kind of thing happened in the town of Princeton years ago when the white parents didn't like that the Asian kids were coming into their HS with their studying and work ethic, making it harder for their white kids to keep up. The white parents wanted their kids to be able to be involved in extra curriculars and have top grades, but it was getting harder to do that because the Asian kids came into town and up'd the academic rigor. Said Asian students also had extra curriculars and kept their grades up. But, the white parents didn't like that there was "too much pressure" now on their kids.

Same old sh(t - blame the others for taking away what you think is rightfully yours without you having to work too hard. This is very MAGA.

According to my observation, this is actually the case for the most part, i.e., Asian kids tend to have much more raw talent than their white counterparts, which I believe is where the jealousy is really from. For example, look at the IMO outcomes and team selection process, Asians simply dominate. This is not something that can be made up for by work ethic. But white people are just too jealous and reluctant to admit it.

Asians dominate because pretty much only Asians participate.

nah although whites do get discouraged to participate because they're dominated.

It’s just not a western thing. Some Eastern European whites but mostly east and south Asian kids do.

It was a western thing when American whites used to be in the game (before the new Asian immigration era)? How convenient (not)!

Not inconvenient at all. Tech workers were imported because of a shortage of supply, not talent. Top talent in western societies migrated towards finance and service economy jobs, not production jobs which is what engineering has traditionally been. Engineering is a middle class job outside of the valley where a small portion of the engineers in the US work. Unfortunately the trend has continued even though engineering (at least in high tech) has become much more lucrative than it was. Significant math skills only rose in value recently (sad to me because I was an applied math major). The overall weakening of our K-12 system hasn't helped either. Bottom line is that the talent is there but the interest isn't. Hopefully this will change.

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Anonymous wrote:It's the immigrant parent obsession.

If you're at a top private high school, many parents are completely relaxed about sending their kid to place like Colby or Boston College. I know DCUM think they're all nuts but our experience with 3 kids has been the opposite. Parents are very nonchalant about where their kids land. Often the Ivy gunners are, yes, the immigrant famlies in the bunch.

Meanwhile, on Reddit so many freshmen are trying to transfer up from Emory or Rice or Vanderbilt, etc. "My parents are still so embarrassed that I'm not at an Ivy."

This is dripping with irony. This snobbish parent sends their kids to private school, and went through same exact striving to get his/her kids to the private school and then looks down on others who are doing the same for college.

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Anonymous wrote:To me this seems primarily an East Coast obsession.

If you have spent time in the bay area immigrant community you wouldn't say that. Among the non-immigrant upper class private school crowd on the West Coast things seem to be a bit more chill. Very good schools or better are expected but the T20 obsession definitely isn't as strong.

That's because rich people don't need their kids to go to a T10 to make connections. They already have those connections. Their kids will get the top jobs through those connections.

Unhooked kids can benefit most from the T10 connections, but most of the universities have more spots open for legacies, the wealthy and athletes than for unhooked applicatns.

While, this is intuitively true...the wealthiest, most connected rich people still send their kids to T10 schools. Gates' kids at Stanford, Bezos' kids at Princeton (transferred to MIT), Musk's kid at Brown, etc.

It's simply a strange, urban myth that rich parents aren't pretty obsessed with their kids also attending top schools. The crazy top college consultants charge like $750,000 to children of hedge fund founders, PE fund founders, Tech entrepreneurs...and yes, very wealthy international families (though those families are a far cry from immigrant families in the US).

I don't doubt that, and I bet they hide the obsession with elite colleges from other parents. They like to play it off cool.. "Oh, I don't really care where Larla goes to college as long as it's a good fit and they are happy there", all while paying $$$ to college consultants to get their kids into the most prestigious college they can.

I paid $100 for a college student to read one of my DC's essays. Other than that, we didn't pay for any tutors (for any SAT/AP exams) or college consultants. The one person I know who did pay $$$ for a college consultant was an umc white parent.

The stereotyping of Asian parents on this board is off the charts.

-asian immigrant parent

Putting it another way for you: racism and jealousy from the white people are off the chart here.

I think these white parents hate that Asian kids "strive" too hard, making it harder for their kids. They believe that these Asian kids' efforts should be purely based on innate talent. But then these same white parents will pay up the nose for travel sports, college counselors and all kinds of extra curriculars; send them to private schools.. all to package their kid's college application.

This kind of thing happened in the town of Princeton years ago when the white parents didn't like that the Asian kids were coming into their HS with their studying and work ethic, making it harder for their white kids to keep up. The white parents wanted their kids to be able to be involved in extra curriculars and have top grades, but it was getting harder to do that because the Asian kids came into town and up'd the academic rigor. Said Asian students also had extra curriculars and kept their grades up. But, the white parents didn't like that there was "too much pressure" now on their kids.

Same old sh(t - blame the others for taking away what you think is rightfully yours without you having to work too hard. This is very MAGA.

According to my observation, this is actually the case for the most part, i.e., Asian kids tend to have much more raw talent than their white counterparts, which I believe is where the jealousy is really from. For example, look at the IMO outcomes and team selection process, Asians simply dominate. This is not something that can be made up for by work ethic. But white people are just too jealous and reluctant to admit it.

Asians dominate because pretty much only Asians participate.

nah although whites do get discouraged to participate because they're dominated.

It’s just not a western thing. Some Eastern European whites but mostly east and south Asian kids doIMO.

Yeah sure. White people aren't interested in basketball either, I guess.

I think that you believed that you had a clever riposte but trust me you didn't. Trying to equate an American sport played worldwide to a math competition shows exactly how much you misunderstand society.

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Anonymous wrote:It's the immigrant parent obsession.

If you're at a top private high school, many parents are completely relaxed about sending their kid to place like Colby or Boston College. I know DCUM think they're all nuts but our experience with 3 kids has been the opposite. Parents are very nonchalant about where their kids land. Often the Ivy gunners are, yes, the immigrant famlies in the bunch.

Meanwhile, on Reddit so many freshmen are trying to transfer up from Emory or Rice or Vanderbilt, etc. "My parents are still so embarrassed that I'm not at an Ivy."

This is dripping with irony. This snobbish parent sends their kids to private school, and went through same exact striving to get his/her kids to the private school and then looks down on others who are doing the same for college.

The flaw is in your assumption that they had to do any 'striving' to gain admission. Odds are that many of them didn't.

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Anonymous wrote:To me this seems primarily an East Coast obsession.

If you have spent time in the bay area immigrant community you wouldn't say that. Among the non-immigrant upper class private school crowd on the West Coast things seem to be a bit more chill. Very good schools or better are expected but the T20 obsession definitely isn't as strong.

In the varsity blues scandal the vast majority of the families are from the West Coast. Majority are non-immigrant upper class private school crowd.

You are just projecting your prejudices.

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Anonymous wrote:It's the immigrant parent obsession.

If you're at a top private high school, many parents are completely relaxed about sending their kid to place like Colby or Boston College. I know DCUM think they're all nuts but our experience with 3 kids has been the opposite. Parents are very nonchalant about where their kids land. Often the Ivy gunners are, yes, the immigrant famlies in the bunch.

Meanwhile, on Reddit so many freshmen are trying to transfer up from Emory or Rice or Vanderbilt, etc. "My parents are still so embarrassed that I'm not at an Ivy."

This is dripping with irony. This snobbish parent sends their kids to private school, and went through same exact striving to get his/her kids to the private school and then looks down on others who are doing the same for college.

The flaw is in your assumption that they had to do any 'striving' to gain admission. Odds are that many of them didn't.

Just look at the angst people have in getting into private schools. It is real and just as high. Look at any private school forums, there is a lot of strategizing and massive parental involvement from a long time to get their child into these schools.

The poster is just a hypocrite.

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“ Mostly agree, but also think there’s a strong element of East Coast snobbery/class striving. You won’t find nearly the same degree of obsessiveness with perceived prestige in other areas of the country.”

THIS. We moved to another part of the country. Most high achieving parents (c suite, biglaw, MDs, etc.) are perfectly happy to have their kids go to the state flagship, which isn’t considered one of the top flagships. There’s great alumni support, opportunities & hiring from the flagship.

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You have this kind of competition anytime there is a huge concentration of highly educated families. It is not about location or race or immigrants.

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Anytime you categorize an entire location or race or immigrants as having "x" quality or some such thing, it is just ignorance or stupidity.

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Anonymous wrote:To me this seems primarily an East Coast obsession.

If you have spent time in the bay area immigrant community you wouldn't say that. Among the non-immigrant upper class private school crowd on the West Coast things seem to be a bit more chill. Very good schools or better are expected but the T20 obsession definitely isn't as strong.

That's because rich people don't need their kids to go to a T10 to make connections. They already have those connections. Their kids will get the top jobs through those connections.

Unhooked kids can benefit most from the T10 connections, but most of the universities have more spots open for legacies, the wealthy and athletes than for unhooked applicatns.

While, this is intuitively true...the wealthiest, most connected rich people still send their kids to T10 schools. Gates' kids at Stanford, Bezos' kids at Princeton (transferred to MIT), Musk's kid at Brown, etc.

It's simply a strange, urban myth that rich parents aren't pretty obsessed with their kids also attending top schools. The crazy top college consultants charge like $750,000 to children of hedge fund founders, PE fund founders, Tech entrepreneurs...and yes, very wealthy international families (though those families are a far cry from immigrant families in the US).

I don't doubt that, and I bet they hide the obsession with elite colleges from other parents. They like to play it off cool.. "Oh, I don't really care where Larla goes to college as long as it's a good fit and they are happy there", all while paying $$$ to college consultants to get their kids into the most prestigious college they can.

I paid $100 for a college student to read one of my DC's essays. Other than that, we didn't pay for any tutors (for any SAT/AP exams) or college consultants. The one person I know who did pay $$$ for a college consultant was an umc white parent.

The stereotyping of Asian parents on this board is off the charts.

-asian immigrant parent

Putting it another way for you: racism and jealousy from the white people are off the chart here.

I think these white parents hate that Asian kids "strive" too hard, making it harder for their kids. They believe that these Asian kids' efforts should be purely based on innate talent. But then these same white parents will pay up the nose for travel sports, college counselors and all kinds of extra curriculars; send them to private schools.. all to package their kid's college application.

This kind of thing happened in the town of Princeton years ago when the white parents didn't like that the Asian kids were coming into their HS with their studying and work ethic, making it harder for their white kids to keep up. The white parents wanted their kids to be able to be involved in extra curriculars and have top grades, but it was getting harder to do that because the Asian kids came into town and up'd the academic rigor. Said Asian students also had extra curriculars and kept their grades up. But, the white parents didn't like that there was "too much pressure" now on their kids.

Same old sh(t - blame the others for taking away what you think is rightfully yours without you having to work too hard. This is very MAGA.

According to my observation, this is actually the case for the most part, i.e., Asian kids tend to have much more raw talent than their white counterparts, which I believe is where the jealousy is really from. For example, look at the IMO outcomes and team selection process, Asians simply dominate. This is not something that can be made up for by work ethic. But white people are just too jealous and reluctant to admit it.

Asians dominate because pretty much only Asians participate.

nah although whites do get discouraged to participate because they're dominated.

It’s just not a western thing. Some Eastern European whites but mostly east and south Asian kids do.

It was a western thing when American whites used to be in the game (before the new Asian immigration era)? How convenient (not)!

Not inconvenient at all. Tech workers were imported because of a shortage of supply, not talent. Top talent in western societies migrated towards finance and service economy jobs, not production jobs which is what engineering has traditionally been. Engineering is a middle class job outside of the valley where a small portion of the engineers in the US work. Unfortunately the trend has continued even though engineering (at least in high tech) has become much more lucrative than it was. Significant math skills only rose in value recently (sad to me because I was an applied math major). The overall weakening of our K-12 system hasn't helped either. Bottom line is that the talent is there but the interest isn't. Hopefully this will change.

Totally BS. White people do finance and consulting because they can’t compete in tech, not because they don’t want to. Just look at the pay comparison in those sectors. It’s not hard to see why. Even in the finance sector, top jobs (which are in quant finance) are also dominated by Asians.

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Anonymous wrote:To me this seems primarily an East Coast obsession.

If you have spent time in the bay area immigrant community you wouldn't say that. Among the non-immigrant upper class private school crowd on the West Coast things seem to be a bit more chill. Very good schools or better are expected but the T20 obsession definitely isn't as strong.

That's because rich people don't need their kids to go to a T10 to make connections. They already have those connections. Their kids will get the top jobs through those connections.

Unhooked kids can benefit most from the T10 connections, but most of the universities have more spots open for legacies, the wealthy and athletes than for unhooked applicatns.

While, this is intuitively true...the wealthiest, most connected rich people still send their kids to T10 schools. Gates' kids at Stanford, Bezos' kids at Princeton (transferred to MIT), Musk's kid at Brown, etc.

It's simply a strange, urban myth that rich parents aren't pretty obsessed with their kids also attending top schools. The crazy top college consultants charge like $750,000 to children of hedge fund founders, PE fund founders, Tech entrepreneurs...and yes, very wealthy international families (though those families are a far cry from immigrant families in the US).

I don't doubt that, and I bet they hide the obsession with elite colleges from other parents. They like to play it off cool.. "Oh, I don't really care where Larla goes to college as long as it's a good fit and they are happy there", all while paying $$$ to college consultants to get their kids into the most prestigious college they can.

I paid $100 for a college student to read one of my DC's essays. Other than that, we didn't pay for any tutors (for any SAT/AP exams) or college consultants. The one person I know who did pay $$$ for a college consultant was an umc white parent.

The stereotyping of Asian parents on this board is off the charts.

-asian immigrant parent

Putting it another way for you: racism and jealousy from the white people are off the chart here.

I think these white parents hate that Asian kids "strive" too hard, making it harder for their kids. They believe that these Asian kids' efforts should be purely based on innate talent. But then these same white parents will pay up the nose for travel sports, college counselors and all kinds of extra curriculars; send them to private schools.. all to package their kid's college application.

This kind of thing happened in the town of Princeton years ago when the white parents didn't like that the Asian kids were coming into their HS with their studying and work ethic, making it harder for their white kids to keep up. The white parents wanted their kids to be able to be involved in extra curriculars and have top grades, but it was getting harder to do that because the Asian kids came into town and up'd the academic rigor. Said Asian students also had extra curriculars and kept their grades up. But, the white parents didn't like that there was "too much pressure" now on their kids.

Same old sh(t - blame the others for taking away what you think is rightfully yours without you having to work too hard. This is very MAGA.

According to my observation, this is actually the case for the most part, i.e., Asian kids tend to have much more raw talent than their white counterparts, which I believe is where the jealousy is really from. For example, look at the IMO outcomes and team selection process, Asians simply dominate. This is not something that can be made up for by work ethic. But white people are just too jealous and reluctant to admit it.

Asians dominate because pretty much only Asians participate.

nah although whites do get discouraged to participate because they're dominated.

It’s just not a western thing. Some Eastern European whites but mostly east and south Asian kids doIMO.

Yeah sure. White people aren't interested in basketball either, I guess.

I think that you believed that you had a clever riposte but trust me you didn't. Trying to equate an American sport played worldwide to a math competition shows exactly how much you misunderstand society.

It’s the same thing: white people couldn’t compete in those areas, not they don’t want to. Trying to paint it in way it isn’t is laughable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's the immigrant parent obsession.

If you're at a top private high school, many parents are completely relaxed about sending their kid to place like Colby or Boston College. I know DCUM think they're all nuts but our experience with 3 kids has been the opposite. Parents are very nonchalant about where their kids land. Often the Ivy gunners are, yes, the immigrant famlies in the bunch.

Meanwhile, on Reddit so many freshmen are trying to transfer up from Emory or Rice or Vanderbilt, etc. "My parents are still so embarrassed that I'm not at an Ivy."

The problem is this doesn't play out in the real world. Go look at Big3 matriculations or top NYC private schools...tons of Ivy and other top 20 admits. Something like 50% of Sidwell's 2025 class attends a top 20 school.

Most of these kids are Americans.

Immigrant kids ARE Americans

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's the immigrant parent obsession.

If you're at a top private high school, many parents are completely relaxed about sending their kid to place like Colby or Boston College. I know DCUM think they're all nuts but our experience with 3 kids has been the opposite. Parents are very nonchalant about where their kids land. Often the Ivy gunners are, yes, the immigrant famlies in the bunch.

Meanwhile, on Reddit so many freshmen are trying to transfer up from Emory or Rice or Vanderbilt, etc. "My parents are still so embarrassed that I'm not at an Ivy."

The problem is this doesn't play out in the real world. Go look at Big3 matriculations or top NYC private schools...tons of Ivy and other top 20 admits. Something like 50% of Sidwell's 2025 class attends a top 20 school.

Most of these kids are Americans.

Immigrant kids ARE Americans

They obviously believe only white people are Americans, which is ironic because the only Americans are those Native American Indians.