Is there anybody who truly believes at Democrats are the reason for the shut down?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://budget.house.gov/press-release/california-to-spend-84-billion-this-year-on-health-care-for-illegal-aliens


California to spend 8.4 Billion on healthcare for illegals!!!!

lol let’s spend money on Argentina’s healthcare system instead of protecting our own citizens & people in the US legal or not. You do realize keeping ALL people healthy protects the population ? Who do you think delivers your meals, makes the food you eat??? You want them sick? MAGA ignorance of the bigger picture and how we all are connected amazes me every time they speak.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yup. Proven in black and white - when you scroll down from what @GOP highlighted in yellow it CLEARLY STATES that it does NOT apply to illegal aliens. Republicans are LYING about the reasons for the shutdown. If the Republicans are in the right about all of this then why are they telling PROVEN, UNDISPUTABLE LIES?

The fact remains: illegal aliens currently receive free medical care in the United States, where they cannot be refused treatment at any emergency room at any time.

Illegal aliens receive emergency Medicaid under a law passed in 1986. "Hospitals can get federal Medicaid funding to reimburse them for emergency services they are required to provide to low-income individuals, regardless of immigration status, which includes undocumented people," Mr Cuello told us.

"Emergency Medicaid is very temporary coverage for the medical services provided at all emergency rooms, often just one service on one day, but not necessarily ongoing health insurance enrollment, like a U.S. citizen can pay for, or receives by qualifying for Medicaid," he added.

I just want to make it very clear that this Trumper's objection is that undocumented people are not refused treatment in emergency rooms.

I am trying to let that sink in. It sounds like PP is not only against the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act that has been law since Ronald Reagan, but the idea of public hospitals are treating immigrants in emergency rooms as well.

PP would have hospitals refuse the undocumented emergency care. Just when I think people can't go any lower...

Yes.

When I hear people advocate for this, I always ask them how they expect -- in detail -- this to play out.

A grandmother looking after a grandchild who goes into a wheezing asthma attack. She doesn't have the insurance card for some reason, say that the mother just dropped her off while going to the store. Now the grandmother either calls an ambulance or rushes the child in her own car to the ER door. What happens?

Do we have security guards holding the door shut while the grandmother is screaming and clawing at it, her grandchild going blue at her feet? DO we let them inside the door so the child doesn't die outside, but at least under a roof?

What about car accidents? They drag you out from a car crash, but your wallet fell out, or is in the pants they cut off to wedge you out, or whatever. You have broken bones, a head bleed, you need surgery. Do the paramedics call it in and be told to leave you to die on the side of the road, since they can't find proof of insurance, or do we have another scene with the guards holding the ER bay doors shut? How exactly does this play out?

Of course there are going to be non-emergency complaints that could, in theory, play out in some way not quite so egregious. But how do the non-emergency cases play out?

And what about borderline emergency cases? Your father, or grandfather, or uncle, or whomever is shoveling snow and falls down. His chest hurts, and he is sweaty. Does the neighbor who finds him wait until the house can be searched to find the insurance card? How exactly does this work, again?

Maybe your dad (in this new world) always keeps his insurance card on him for exactly this reason. What about your nephew at the pool, who hits his head diving off the board? Do you want a lifeguard earching nearby cars before calling an ambulance?

So I’m a new poster, and I’m not steeped in the details, and I accordingly do not have a side though if I were to, but just as a value judgment, I’d prefer a scenario where undocumented immigrants get some reasonable quantum of healthcare even on the public dime to one where being undocumented means no medical care. With that wind-up, let me ask: are you sure that this is how it works? When I was a kid, my parents did not always have health insurance, and they went to the ER on more than one occasion. My recollection is that they were admitted and that we had to apply for what I believe the hospital called “charity” if we were to get out of paying a massive bill that we couldn’t afford. That fact, coupled with some awareness that hospitals have an ethical duty to stabilize all comers without regard to ability to pay, makes me doubt that the scenario you’ve described is plausible, but I’m open to contradiction if you actually know what you’re talking about (and maybe you do!)

Are you a citizen of the US? If you are, why do you not have a side ? THIS IS THE PROBLEM! Get engaged, vote, feel something…

[Anonymous]

PP, I think you missed the thread. Do you know how to click on the post to expand the full thread?

A prior poster was discussing EMTALA, which guarantees medical stabilization at ERs regardless of insurance. (This is what you experienced, and it is the current law of the land.)

Another poster noted that Trump was essentially trying to revoke EMTALA, so that immigrants could be denied any medical care in the US, including at ERs.

My post was in response to that. If we get rid of EMTALA, how would that, play out, especially as true emergencies are often chaos?

How do YOU think it would play out if those protections were not there for you and your family?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Yup. Proven in black and white - when you scroll down from what @GOP highlighted in yellow it CLEARLY STATES that it does NOT apply to illegal aliens. Republicans are LYING about the reasons for the shutdown. If the Republicans are in the right about all of this then why are they telling PROVEN, UNDISPUTABLE LIES?

The fact remains: illegal aliens currently receive free medical care in the United States, where they cannot be refused treatment at any emergency room at any time.

Illegal aliens receive emergency Medicaid under a law passed in 1986. "Hospitals can get federal Medicaid funding to reimburse them for emergency services they are required to provide to low-income individuals, regardless of immigration status, which includes undocumented people," Mr Cuello told us.

"Emergency Medicaid is very temporary coverage for the medical services provided at all emergency rooms, often just one service on one day, but not necessarily ongoing health insurance enrollment, like a U.S. citizen can pay for, or receives by qualifying for Medicaid," he added.

I just want to make it very clear that this Trumper's objection is that undocumented people are not refused treatment in emergency rooms.

I am trying to let that sink in. It sounds like PP is not only against the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act that has been law since Ronald Reagan, but the idea of public hospitals are treating immigrants in emergency rooms as well.

PP would have hospitals refuse the undocumented emergency care. Just when I think people can't go any lower...

Yes.

When I hear people advocate for this, I always ask them how they expect -- in detail -- this to play out.

A grandmother looking after a grandchild who goes into a wheezing asthma attack. She doesn't have the insurance card for some reason, say that the mother just dropped her off while going to the store. Now the grandmother either calls an ambulance or rushes the child in her own car to the ER door. What happens?

Do we have security guards holding the door shut while the grandmother is screaming and clawing at it, her grandchild going blue at her feet? DO we let them inside the door so the child doesn't die outside, but at least under a roof?

What about car accidents? They drag you out from a car crash, but your wallet fell out, or is in the pants they cut off to wedge you out, or whatever. You have broken bones, a head bleed, you need surgery. Do the paramedics call it in and be told to leave you to die on the side of the road, since they can't find proof of insurance, or do we have another scene with the guards holding the ER bay doors shut? How exactly does this play out?

Of course there are going to be non-emergency complaints that could, in theory, play out in some way not quite so egregious. But how do the non-emergency cases play out?

And what about borderline emergency cases? Your father, or grandfather, or uncle, or whomever is shoveling snow and falls down. His chest hurts, and he is sweaty. Does the neighbor who finds him wait until the house can be searched to find the insurance card? How exactly does this work, again?

Maybe your dad (in this new world) always keeps his insurance card on him for exactly this reason. What about your nephew at the pool, who hits his head diving off the board? Do you want a lifeguard earching nearby cars before calling an ambulance?

One doesn't need to be a citizen to buy insurance. So having an insurance card doesn't mean the ER should, or should not, treat the patient in this scenario.

Okay, love. So if people don't have their birth certificates on them for exactly the same reasons, how should it play out?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://budget.house.gov/press-release/california-to-spend-84-billion-this-year-on-health-care-for-illegal-aliens


California to spend 8.4 Billion on healthcare for illegals!!!!

That state funds, not federal funds.

California has to give red state $83 billion because they are welfare states.

Now that red states wanna be on their own, let them be them on their own and like California keep their $83 billion and spending on whatever the F they want

[Anonymous]

PS: And how many American citizens get to die or have significant consequences from lack of timely ER care, because their birth certificates were stuck in the burning car? Or they couldn't find the document while the child's airways were shutting down? Or any of the other cases?

At what point is it going to break down?

[Anonymous]

Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA) was passed in 1986 to prevent hospitals from refusing to treat uninsured or poor patients.

That was passed by Ronald Reagan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"There's no one in America who believes the Dems are in charge. Trump brags about his big victories in the House & Senate. Everyone knows he's controlling govt - in fact, too much. So the argument to blame Ds ... no one believes it. If he wants Democrats' votes, he should get healthcare."

-Ro Khanna

Trump keeps saying he "won a landslide" and "has a mandate"

Therefore, the shutdown is on him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone who is winning doesn't post crazy messages on government websites blaming the liberals.

Someone who is winning doesn't change out of office email messages blaming democrats.

Someone who is winning has a cohesive message that resonates with the American public without lying.

The GOP fails on all three counts.

Someone who is winning doesn't LIE about the reason and falsely claim it's because Democrats want $1.5 trillion in free shit for illegals and post racist AI videos.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Yup. Proven in black and white - when you scroll down from what @GOP highlighted in yellow it CLEARLY STATES that it does NOT apply to illegal aliens. Republicans are LYING about the reasons for the shutdown. If the Republicans are in the right about all of this then why are they telling PROVEN, UNDISPUTABLE LIES?

The fact remains: illegal aliens currently receive free medical care in the United States, where they cannot be refused treatment at any emergency room at any time.

Illegal aliens receive emergency Medicaid under a law passed in 1986. "Hospitals can get federal Medicaid funding to reimburse them for emergency services they are required to provide to low-income individuals, regardless of immigration status, which includes undocumented people," Mr Cuello told us.

"Emergency Medicaid is very temporary coverage for the medical services provided at all emergency rooms, often just one service on one day, but not necessarily ongoing health insurance enrollment, like a U.S. citizen can pay for, or receives by qualifying for Medicaid," he added.

I just want to make it very clear that this Trumper's objection is that undocumented people are not refused treatment in emergency rooms.

I am trying to let that sink in. It sounds like PP is not only against the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act that has been law since Ronald Reagan, but the idea of public hospitals are treating immigrants in emergency rooms as well.

PP would have hospitals refuse the undocumented emergency care. Just when I think people can't go any lower...

Yes.

When I hear people advocate for this, I always ask them how they expect -- in detail -- this to play out.

A grandmother looking after a grandchild who goes into a wheezing asthma attack. She doesn't have the insurance card for some reason, say that the mother just dropped her off while going to the store. Now the grandmother either calls an ambulance or rushes the child in her own car to the ER door. What happens?

Do we have security guards holding the door shut while the grandmother is screaming and clawing at it, her grandchild going blue at her feet? DO we let them inside the door so the child doesn't die outside, but at least under a roof?

What about car accidents? They drag you out from a car crash, but your wallet fell out, or is in the pants they cut off to wedge you out, or whatever. You have broken bones, a head bleed, you need surgery. Do the paramedics call it in and be told to leave you to die on the side of the road, since they can't find proof of insurance, or do we have another scene with the guards holding the ER bay doors shut? How exactly does this play out?

Of course there are going to be non-emergency complaints that could, in theory, play out in some way not quite so egregious. But how do the non-emergency cases play out?

And what about borderline emergency cases? Your father, or grandfather, or uncle, or whomever is shoveling snow and falls down. His chest hurts, and he is sweaty. Does the neighbor who finds him wait until the house can be searched to find the insurance card? How exactly does this work, again?

Maybe your dad (in this new world) always keeps his insurance card on him for exactly this reason. What about your nephew at the pool, who hits his head diving off the board? Do you want a lifeguard earching nearby cars before calling an ambulance?

One doesn't need to be a citizen to buy insurance. So having an insurance card doesn't mean the ER should, or should not, treat the patient in this scenario.

Okay, love. So if people don't have their birth certificates on them for exactly the same reasons, how should it play out?

I support maintaining EMTALA, so am with you. I am noting that it isn't realistic in an ER situation to be taking proof of citizenship or demanding it at the hospital doors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA) was passed in 1986 to prevent hospitals from refusing to treat uninsured or poor patients.

That was passed by Ronald Reagan.

It prevents ERs from turning ANYONE away, for any reason, without first giving an exam and any treatment needed to ensure they are medically stable.

[Anonymous]

The Republicans shut the government down because they don't want the Epstein files released.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yup. Proven in black and white - when you scroll down from what @GOP highlighted in yellow it CLEARLY STATES that it does NOT apply to illegal aliens. Republicans are LYING about the reasons for the shutdown. If the Republicans are in the right about all of this then why are they telling PROVEN, UNDISPUTABLE LIES?

The fact remains: illegal aliens currently receive free medical care in the United States, where they cannot be refused treatment at any emergency room at any time.

Illegal aliens receive emergency Medicaid under a law passed in 1986. "Hospitals can get federal Medicaid funding to reimburse them for emergency services they are required to provide to low-income individuals, regardless of immigration status, which includes undocumented people," Mr Cuello told us.

"Emergency Medicaid is very temporary coverage for the medical services provided at all emergency rooms, often just one service on one day, but not necessarily ongoing health insurance enrollment, like a U.S. citizen can pay for, or receives by qualifying for Medicaid," he added.

I just want to make it very clear that this Trumper's objection is that undocumented people are not refused treatment in emergency rooms.

I am trying to let that sink in. It sounds like PP is not only against the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act that has been law since Ronald Reagan, but the idea of public hospitals are treating immigrants in emergency rooms as well.

PP would have hospitals refuse the undocumented emergency care. Just when I think people can't go any lower...

Yes.

When I hear people advocate for this, I always ask them how they expect -- in detail -- this to play out.

A grandmother looking after a grandchild who goes into a wheezing asthma attack. She doesn't have the insurance card for some reason, say that the mother just dropped her off while going to the store. Now the grandmother either calls an ambulance or rushes the child in her own car to the ER door. What happens?

Do we have security guards holding the door shut while the grandmother is screaming and clawing at it, her grandchild going blue at her feet? DO we let them inside the door so the child doesn't die outside, but at least under a roof?

What about car accidents? They drag you out from a car crash, but your wallet fell out, or is in the pants they cut off to wedge you out, or whatever. You have broken bones, a head bleed, you need surgery. Do the paramedics call it in and be told to leave you to die on the side of the road, since they can't find proof of insurance, or do we have another scene with the guards holding the ER bay doors shut? How exactly does this play out?

Of course there are going to be non-emergency complaints that could, in theory, play out in some way not quite so egregious. But how do the non-emergency cases play out?

And what about borderline emergency cases? Your father, or grandfather, or uncle, or whomever is shoveling snow and falls down. His chest hurts, and he is sweaty. Does the neighbor who finds him wait until the house can be searched to find the insurance card? How exactly does this work, again?

Maybe your dad (in this new world) always keeps his insurance card on him for exactly this reason. What about your nephew at the pool, who hits his head diving off the board? Do you want a lifeguard earching nearby cars before calling an ambulance?

One doesn't need to be a citizen to buy insurance. So having an insurance card doesn't mean the ER should, or should not, treat the patient in this scenario.

Okay, love. So if people don't have their birth certificates on them for exactly the same reasons, how should it play out?

I support maintaining EMTALA, so am with you. I am noting that it isn't realistic in an ER situation to be taking proof of citizenship or demanding it at the hospital doors.

We really are in agreement, then.

The problem is that every ER is a mix of emergent, urgent, and non-urgent cases. It takes triage from a skilled person to know which is which. Even then, people die or suffer severe morbidity without treatment, in many cases. I don't think people who advocate revoking EMTALA are prepared for what will happen.

It reminds me of a little bit of how shocked some people are that doctors are leaving red states, that residency programs are leaving red states, and that hospitals and clinics are shutting down for lack of staff. The people who do the work were telling you this would happen. Please listen next time.

[Anonymous]

Cowardly Republicans ran away and are nowhere to be found.

[Anonymous]

House and Senate Republicans had the entire time from Jan 3rd 2025 to September 30th to govern like responsible adults and pass appropriations bills.

THEY. DID. NOT. DO. THEIR. JOBS.

And worse yet, they took the entire month of August off despite knowing a September deadline was coming.

Total failure of Republicans in charge.

Stop voting Republican. They can't govern.