Advice from Parents of *Minority Students*

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Asian hate. See right through.

Bizarre conclusions on a pretty harmless post.

Liberal art colleges never attract many Asian students. Bring Asian in this conversation is clearly targeting Asian.

Take Williams as an example, the percentage of Asian students stay nearly unchanged over the years.
https://williamsrecord.com/467282/news/first-year-demographics-shift-slightly-following-affirmative-action-ban/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Asians are not being "targeted" by OP. The issue is the Asian and White students will not want to be friends with and share in life with the non Asian or White students, so why would a non Asian or non White student subject themselves to that? What "Asians" have to understand is that you never want people talking about you, even in a netural way, otherwise you claim "Asian hate" but at the same time all over DCUM, "Asisans" have so much to say about black people, and even white people at times.

Most absurd assertion. Not in NYC anyway.

Come to California. Berkeley is insanely racially segregated. All asian groups basically everywhere that judge white students and especially other minority students. White students flock towards the greek life for their "community." It's pretty clear when these campuses are heavily segregated, and you really get to see how this generation operates. There are many other parts of the country where people are very very race-sensitive, and California is one of them.

Yes. I don't get this generation, as a Gen Xer. It is like they are turning back time. Or, did we increase immigration too fast in the past 20 to 30 years and there is not longer a sense of cohesion in this country at all?

Part of it is immigrant students who come from cultures where homogeneity is good and they prefer to stay with their cliques of international/their race students. Another part is higher ed becoming very diverse, potentially way too quickly and expecting the northeast boarding school generationally wealthy student to hang out with the rural, conservative queer kid is very unlikely to work in your favor. Diversity is great, but students will always find infrastructure and network in a way to stick to what they are used to and what they know.

Showing your true color. Xenophobia

...nothing about that is xenophobic. I'd stick with American students too if I were to go to college abroad.

Immigrants' kids are still Americans. Are you excluding them from your circle just because they are Asian immigrants' kids?

Oh my god you’re so dense. I’m specifically talking about Asian immigrant students, who are significant block of American higher ed

They aren’t a block.

Seriously, why are Americans so set on lumping more than half of the world’s population into one category?

Do you really think a Korean kid and a Sri Lankan kid see each other as members of some tribe together?

This isn’t unique to Asian people. That’s just how race works.

+1, this is a weird insistence by people on this forum that Asian people are so foreign to the rest of us that we wouldn’t understand that people from different countries…have different cultures and practices. Yes, we are aware. You aren’t special. Just be a person beyond your race.

You get it! We shouldn’t be thinking about how “diverse” we are in one race. Just treat people as people with respect.

+1 just be a person beyond your race. You can take pride in your heritage, acknowledge the wrongs and work on addressing current problems but you’re ultimately hurting and limiting yourself by making everything in life about race. Signed, minority parent.

when someone calls themselves a "minority" they mean Asian or Hispanic, just so you know. They float between being a "minority" when it is convenient or on the other hand part of a superior "family-oriented, education-oriented" culture when convenient.

This cannot be more racist! You are saying minority cannot be family-oriented, education-oriented?

Saying that “my culture is family-oriented” or “education-oriented” can sound like a benign expression of pride, but it often carries an unintended sting. When you frame these qualities as special to your own group, you implicitly invite comparison: if my culture is the one that cherishes family or schooling, what does that say about yours? The compliment to oneself doubles as a yardstick against which other communities can appear indifferent or deficient, even if that is not what the speaker intends. Because most societies prize kinship and learning in their own ways, labeling these values as uniquely ours comes across as a quiet form of ethnocentrism.

That sting is sharper in places like the United States, where “family-oriented” and “education-oriented” have long been coded into racial and immigration debates. Praising Asian Americans as especially studious, for example, props up the “model-minority” myth, which has historically been used to shame Black and Latino communities by suggesting they fall short through cultural flaws rather than structural barriers. Politicians who laud “hard-working, family-centered immigrants” often do so to single out certain nationalities for approval while casting others as less desirable. In these contexts, what sounds like a simple self-celebration actually reinforces old hierarchies.

This is the most Bizarre and twisted rubbish.

When someone says “my culture is family-oriented” or “education-oriented,” their immediate aim is often to explain what shaped their own attitudes and behaviors—nothing more. This is a descriptive claim, not a prescriptive one. In everyday conversation, people routinely name the earliest influences on their values: “I grew up in a community that always put family first,” or “Education was all my parents talked about.” If we immediately assume every such statement carries a hidden comparison or hierarchy, we risk discouraging honest self-description. Intent matters: most of the time people merely want to share where they come from, not measure others against that standard.

It’s possible to celebrate cultural strengths without implying that those strengths are absent elsewhere. For instance, saying “In my family, elders always gather every Sunday to share a meal” does not necessarily mean “Your family doesn’t.” In practice, everyone’s definition of “family-oriented” will look different. By framing it as “for us, this is especially important,” you can leave space for others to tell their own stories. In other words, you can express pride in your upbringing without forcing a zero-sum comparison.

You assumes that labeling any value as “special to my group” automatically positions other groups as deficient. But cultures are not monoliths, nor are all members of a culture identical. If you say “In my Korean American community, education is pitched as the surest path to stability,” you acknowledge a particular historical and social context—namely, the immigrant experience, Confucian legacies, or post-1965 university admissions patterns—without claiming that every other community lacks those same motivations. Being precise about why a community emphasizes schooling (for example, to overcome language barriers, or because of first-generation immigrant pressures) keeps the statement grounded in particular circumstances, rather than a global comparison.

+1000

Immigrants particularly Asian immigrants don’t have much left for support, family and education are the two things they can rely on to survive here.

This thread really reveals how much hate some hold against Asian Americans. We are not even allowed to say the most important things that matter to us.

What’s next? Are you going to take away those two things from Asian Americans? Are you going to send us to internment camps?

Wow you should go into the Olympics, because that leap in logic is actually insane.

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Anonymous wrote:DD is entering a top liberal arts college and has joined the class instagram page and group chat. It is bewilderingly white and asian compared to past classes, and even when she looks into the instagram pages of these students, their high school environments were clearly mostly white and/or asian. She is starting to regret her choice and is worried about fitting in. It's sad because this used to be one of the most diverse schools in the country, but it is clear politics has obliterated any chance of that returning.

Martin Luther King dreamt of a time when people will be judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin. He was thinking of whites judging blacks as people of color. Ironically, America has been so successful in achieving his dream that the pendulum has swung the other way with black people doing the judging now.

We get it. You know one speech by MLK. He advocated for equity and was patently progressive. You’d call MLK a BLM rioter.

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We get it. You know one speech by MLK. He advocated for equity and was patently progressive. You’d call MLK a BLM rioter.

No I wouldn't. But I would call you a moron.

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Anonymous wrote:Unless she only wants to socialize with black people for whatever reason, I’d assume it would be much easier this year than in other years to fit in and be accepted by all now that everyone knows your kid earned their spot based on merit rather than their skin color.

One would hope that’s the case, but within minutes of the Supreme Court’s decision on racial preferences, Democrats said they would fight it & many colleges swore that they weren’t going to comply. So….

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Asian hate. See right through.

Bizarre conclusions on a pretty harmless post.

Liberal art colleges never attract many Asian students. Bring Asian in this conversation is clearly targeting Asian.

Take Williams as an example, the percentage of Asian students stay nearly unchanged over the years.
https://williamsrecord.com/467282/news/first-year-demographics-shift-slightly-following-affirmative-action-ban/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Asians are not being "targeted" by OP. The issue is the Asian and White students will not want to be friends with and share in life with the non Asian or White students, so why would a non Asian or non White student subject themselves to that? What "Asians" have to understand is that you never want people talking about you, even in a netural way, otherwise you claim "Asian hate" but at the same time all over DCUM, "Asisans" have so much to say about black people, and even white people at times.

Most absurd assertion. Not in NYC anyway.

Come to California. Berkeley is insanely racially segregated. All asian groups basically everywhere that judge white students and especially other minority students. White students flock towards the greek life for their "community." It's pretty clear when these campuses are heavily segregated, and you really get to see how this generation operates. There are many other parts of the country where people are very very race-sensitive, and California is one of them.

Yes. I don't get this generation, as a Gen Xer. It is like they are turning back time. Or, did we increase immigration too fast in the past 20 to 30 years and there is not longer a sense of cohesion in this country at all?

Part of it is immigrant students who come from cultures where homogeneity is good and they prefer to stay with their cliques of international/their race students. Another part is higher ed becoming very diverse, potentially way too quickly and expecting the northeast boarding school generationally wealthy student to hang out with the rural, conservative queer kid is very unlikely to work in your favor. Diversity is great, but students will always find infrastructure and network in a way to stick to what they are used to and what they know.

Showing your true color. Xenophobia

...nothing about that is xenophobic. I'd stick with American students too if I were to go to college abroad.

Immigrants' kids are still Americans. Are you excluding them from your circle just because they are Asian immigrants' kids?

Oh my god you’re so dense. I’m specifically talking about Asian immigrant students, who are significant block of American higher ed

They aren’t a block.

Seriously, why are Americans so set on lumping more than half of the world’s population into one category?

Do you really think a Korean kid and a Sri Lankan kid see each other as members of some tribe together?

no, is the U.S., "Asian" is a self-created category like "Hispanic" that is a social construct. "Asian" in the U.S. per those that call themselves that, means Indians, Koreans, Chinese, and maybe well to do Vietnamese or other well to do immigrants from the Sinosphere that are financially and academically successful. All others from the Asian continent ar enot really "Asian", they are just what they are: Filipinos, Indonesians, and gasp, Hmongs!

Enough with the “social construct” bull$hit! You don’t get to create your own convenient reality by throwing around fashionable buzz words.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, Blacks can choose Howard.
Asians didn't have such an option.

Asians can choose Howard, you have the same options. If you mean an Asian majority college just head to Asia.

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Asian hate. See right through.

Bizarre conclusions on a pretty harmless post.

Liberal art colleges never attract many Asian students. Bring Asian in this conversation is clearly targeting Asian.

Take Williams as an example, the percentage of Asian students stay nearly unchanged over the years.
https://williamsrecord.com/467282/news/first-year-demographics-shift-slightly-following-affirmative-action-ban/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Asians are not being "targeted" by OP. The issue is the Asian and White students will not want to be friends with and share in life with the non Asian or White students, so why would a non Asian or non White student subject themselves to that? What "Asians" have to understand is that you never want people talking about you, even in a netural way, otherwise you claim "Asian hate" but at the same time all over DCUM, "Asisans" have so much to say about black people, and even white people at times.

Most absurd assertion. Not in NYC anyway.

Come to California. Berkeley is insanely racially segregated. All asian groups basically everywhere that judge white students and especially other minority students. White students flock towards the greek life for their "community." It's pretty clear when these campuses are heavily segregated, and you really get to see how this generation operates. There are many other parts of the country where people are very very race-sensitive, and California is one of them.

Yes. I don't get this generation, as a Gen Xer. It is like they are turning back time. Or, did we increase immigration too fast in the past 20 to 30 years and there is not longer a sense of cohesion in this country at all?

Part of it is immigrant students who come from cultures where homogeneity is good and they prefer to stay with their cliques of international/their race students. Another part is higher ed becoming very diverse, potentially way too quickly and expecting the northeast boarding school generationally wealthy student to hang out with the rural, conservative queer kid is very unlikely to work in your favor. Diversity is great, but students will always find infrastructure and network in a way to stick to what they are used to and what they know.

Showing your true color. Xenophobia

...nothing about that is xenophobic. I'd stick with American students too if I were to go to college abroad.

Immigrants' kids are still Americans. Are you excluding them from your circle just because they are Asian immigrants' kids?

Oh my god you’re so dense. I’m specifically talking about Asian immigrant students, who are significant block of American higher ed

They aren’t a block.

Seriously, why are Americans so set on lumping more than half of the world’s population into one category?

Do you really think a Korean kid and a Sri Lankan kid see each other as members of some tribe together?

This isn’t unique to Asian people. That’s just how race works.

+1, this is a weird insistence by people on this forum that Asian people are so foreign to the rest of us that we wouldn’t understand that people from different countries…have different cultures and practices. Yes, we are aware. You aren’t special. Just be a person beyond your race.

You get it! We shouldn’t be thinking about how “diverse” we are in one race. Just treat people as people with respect.

+1 just be a person beyond your race. You can take pride in your heritage, acknowledge the wrongs and work on addressing current problems but you’re ultimately hurting and limiting yourself by making everything in life about race. Signed, minority parent.

when someone calls themselves a "minority" they mean Asian or Hispanic, just so you know. They float between being a "minority" when it is convenient or on the other hand part of a superior "family-oriented, education-oriented" culture when convenient.

This cannot be more racist! You are saying minority cannot be family-oriented, education-oriented?

Saying that “my culture is family-oriented” or “education-oriented” can sound like a benign expression of pride, but it often carries an unintended sting. When you frame these qualities as special to your own group, you implicitly invite comparison: if my culture is the one that cherishes family or schooling, what does that say about yours? The compliment to oneself doubles as a yardstick against which other communities can appear indifferent or deficient, even if that is not what the speaker intends. Because most societies prize kinship and learning in their own ways, labeling these values as uniquely ours comes across as a quiet form of ethnocentrism.

That sting is sharper in places like the United States, where “family-oriented” and “education-oriented” have long been coded into racial and immigration debates. Praising Asian Americans as especially studious, for example, props up the “model-minority” myth, which has historically been used to shame Black and Latino communities by suggesting they fall short through cultural flaws rather than structural barriers. Politicians who laud “hard-working, family-centered immigrants” often do so to single out certain nationalities for approval while casting others as less desirable. In these contexts, what sounds like a simple self-celebration actually reinforces old hierarchies.

This is the most Bizarre and twisted rubbish.

When someone says “my culture is family-oriented” or “education-oriented,” their immediate aim is often to explain what shaped their own attitudes and behaviors—nothing more. This is a descriptive claim, not a prescriptive one. In everyday conversation, people routinely name the earliest influences on their values: “I grew up in a community that always put family first,” or “Education was all my parents talked about.” If we immediately assume every such statement carries a hidden comparison or hierarchy, we risk discouraging honest self-description. Intent matters: most of the time people merely want to share where they come from, not measure others against that standard.

It’s possible to celebrate cultural strengths without implying that those strengths are absent elsewhere. For instance, saying “In my family, elders always gather every Sunday to share a meal” does not necessarily mean “Your family doesn’t.” In practice, everyone’s definition of “family-oriented” will look different. By framing it as “for us, this is especially important,” you can leave space for others to tell their own stories. In other words, you can express pride in your upbringing without forcing a zero-sum comparison.

You assumes that labeling any value as “special to my group” automatically positions other groups as deficient. But cultures are not monoliths, nor are all members of a culture identical. If you say “In my Korean American community, education is pitched as the surest path to stability,” you acknowledge a particular historical and social context—namely, the immigrant experience, Confucian legacies, or post-1965 university admissions patterns—without claiming that every other community lacks those same motivations. Being precise about why a community emphasizes schooling (for example, to overcome language barriers, or because of first-generation immigrant pressures) keeps the statement grounded in particular circumstances, rather than a global comparison.

+1000

Immigrants particularly Asian immigrants don’t have much left for support, family and education are the two things they can rely on to survive here.

This thread really reveals how much hate some hold against Asian Americans. We are not even allowed to say the most important things that matter to us.

What’s next? Are you going to take away those two things from Asian Americans? Are you going to send us to internment camps?

They think highlighting our reliance on family and education is a slight to their community, do they truly believe that families who’ve been in this country for generations don’t hold those same values? Of course they hold the same values. It’s unsettling to see people react as if we’re somehow “less American” or “too focused on grades.” Telling us our values are offensive or exclusionary, telling us to abandon them? Internment is a dark reminder of how quickly fear and prejudice can strip away rights. The hate beneath the surface is real.

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Anonymous wrote:this is a troll post

Asian hate. See right through.

Bizarre conclusions on a pretty harmless post.

Liberal art colleges never attract many Asian students. Bring Asian in this conversation is clearly targeting Asian.

Take Williams as an example, the percentage of Asian students stay nearly unchanged over the years.
https://williamsrecord.com/467282/news/first-year-demographics-shift-slightly-following-affirmative-action-ban/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Asians are not being "targeted" by OP. The issue is the Asian and White students will not want to be friends with and share in life with the non Asian or White students, so why would a non Asian or non White student subject themselves to that? What "Asians" have to understand is that you never want people talking about you, even in a netural way, otherwise you claim "Asian hate" but at the same time all over DCUM, "Asisans" have so much to say about black people, and even white people at times.

Most absurd assertion. Not in NYC anyway.

Come to California. Berkeley is insanely racially segregated. All asian groups basically everywhere that judge white students and especially other minority students. White students flock towards the greek life for their "community." It's pretty clear when these campuses are heavily segregated, and you really get to see how this generation operates. There are many other parts of the country where people are very very race-sensitive, and California is one of them.

Yes. I don't get this generation, as a Gen Xer. It is like they are turning back time. Or, did we increase immigration too fast in the past 20 to 30 years and there is not longer a sense of cohesion in this country at all?

Part of it is immigrant students who come from cultures where homogeneity is good and they prefer to stay with their cliques of international/their race students. Another part is higher ed becoming very diverse, potentially way too quickly and expecting the northeast boarding school generationally wealthy student to hang out with the rural, conservative queer kid is very unlikely to work in your favor. Diversity is great, but students will always find infrastructure and network in a way to stick to what they are used to and what they know.

Showing your true color. Xenophobia

...nothing about that is xenophobic. I'd stick with American students too if I were to go to college abroad.

Immigrants' kids are still Americans. Are you excluding them from your circle just because they are Asian immigrants' kids?

Oh my god you’re so dense. I’m specifically talking about Asian immigrant students, who are significant block of American higher ed

They aren’t a block.

Seriously, why are Americans so set on lumping more than half of the world’s population into one category?

Do you really think a Korean kid and a Sri Lankan kid see each other as members of some tribe together?

This isn’t unique to Asian people. That’s just how race works.

+1, this is a weird insistence by people on this forum that Asian people are so foreign to the rest of us that we wouldn’t understand that people from different countries…have different cultures and practices. Yes, we are aware. You aren’t special. Just be a person beyond your race.

You get it! We shouldn’t be thinking about how “diverse” we are in one race. Just treat people as people with respect.

+1 just be a person beyond your race. You can take pride in your heritage, acknowledge the wrongs and work on addressing current problems but you’re ultimately hurting and limiting yourself by making everything in life about race. Signed, minority parent.

when someone calls themselves a "minority" they mean Asian or Hispanic, just so you know. They float between being a "minority" when it is convenient or on the other hand part of a superior "family-oriented, education-oriented" culture when convenient.

This cannot be more racist! You are saying minority cannot be family-oriented, education-oriented?

Saying that “my culture is family-oriented” or “education-oriented” can sound like a benign expression of pride, but it often carries an unintended sting. When you frame these qualities as special to your own group, you implicitly invite comparison: if my culture is the one that cherishes family or schooling, what does that say about yours? The compliment to oneself doubles as a yardstick against which other communities can appear indifferent or deficient, even if that is not what the speaker intends. Because most societies prize kinship and learning in their own ways, labeling these values as uniquely ours comes across as a quiet form of ethnocentrism.

That sting is sharper in places like the United States, where “family-oriented” and “education-oriented” have long been coded into racial and immigration debates. Praising Asian Americans as especially studious, for example, props up the “model-minority” myth, which has historically been used to shame Black and Latino communities by suggesting they fall short through cultural flaws rather than structural barriers. Politicians who laud “hard-working, family-centered immigrants” often do so to single out certain nationalities for approval while casting others as less desirable. In these contexts, what sounds like a simple self-celebration actually reinforces old hierarchies.

This is the most Bizarre and twisted rubbish.

When someone says “my culture is family-oriented” or “education-oriented,” their immediate aim is often to explain what shaped their own attitudes and behaviors—nothing more. This is a descriptive claim, not a prescriptive one. In everyday conversation, people routinely name the earliest influences on their values: “I grew up in a community that always put family first,” or “Education was all my parents talked about.” If we immediately assume every such statement carries a hidden comparison or hierarchy, we risk discouraging honest self-description. Intent matters: most of the time people merely want to share where they come from, not measure others against that standard.

It’s possible to celebrate cultural strengths without implying that those strengths are absent elsewhere. For instance, saying “In my family, elders always gather every Sunday to share a meal” does not necessarily mean “Your family doesn’t.” In practice, everyone’s definition of “family-oriented” will look different. By framing it as “for us, this is especially important,” you can leave space for others to tell their own stories. In other words, you can express pride in your upbringing without forcing a zero-sum comparison.

You assumes that labeling any value as “special to my group” automatically positions other groups as deficient. But cultures are not monoliths, nor are all members of a culture identical. If you say “In my Korean American community, education is pitched as the surest path to stability,” you acknowledge a particular historical and social context—namely, the immigrant experience, Confucian legacies, or post-1965 university admissions patterns—without claiming that every other community lacks those same motivations. Being precise about why a community emphasizes schooling (for example, to overcome language barriers, or because of first-generation immigrant pressures) keeps the statement grounded in particular circumstances, rather than a global comparison.

+1000

Immigrants particularly Asian immigrants don’t have much left for support, family and education are the two things they can rely on to survive here.

This thread really reveals how much hate some hold against Asian Americans. We are not even allowed to say the most important things that matter to us.

What’s next? Are you going to take away those two things from Asian Americans? Are you going to send us to internment camps?

They think highlighting our reliance on family and education is a slight to their community, do they truly believe that families who’ve been in this country for generations don’t hold those same values? Of course they hold the same values. It’s unsettling to see people react as if we’re somehow “less American” or “too focused on grades.” Telling us our values are offensive or exclusionary, telling us to abandon them? Internment is a dark reminder of how quickly fear and prejudice can strip away rights. The hate beneath the surface is real.

Hate is far too strong of a word here. They do not hate and they have fair points which are dismissed by so many, especially on this board.

Most of this is driven by the behaviors and attitudes of the immigrants (particularly the tech focused immigrants) of the last 30 years. Their vocal advocacy for test based admissions systems like they grew up in along with their dismissal of the inequities of the US secondary education system and the lived experience challenges of some minorities causes pushback by others. Their failure to recognize that US schools value traits beyond test scores causes pushback by others. Their cries of 'anti-Asian racism' towards those who disagree causes pushback by others. Many in the community are pretty open in their opinions that certain groups "can't keep up" and do not deserve top educational opportunities. And this causes pushback by others.

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Pomona is still pretty diverse. Not in the same way it was last year but still diverse.

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Anonymous wrote:this is a troll post

Asian hate. See right through.

Bizarre conclusions on a pretty harmless post.

Liberal art colleges never attract many Asian students. Bring Asian in this conversation is clearly targeting Asian.

Take Williams as an example, the percentage of Asian students stay nearly unchanged over the years.
https://williamsrecord.com/467282/news/first-year-demographics-shift-slightly-following-affirmative-action-ban/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Asians are not being "targeted" by OP. The issue is the Asian and White students will not want to be friends with and share in life with the non Asian or White students, so why would a non Asian or non White student subject themselves to that? What "Asians" have to understand is that you never want people talking about you, even in a netural way, otherwise you claim "Asian hate" but at the same time all over DCUM, "Asisans" have so much to say about black people, and even white people at times.

Most absurd assertion. Not in NYC anyway.

Come to California. Berkeley is insanely racially segregated. All asian groups basically everywhere that judge white students and especially other minority students. White students flock towards the greek life for their "community." It's pretty clear when these campuses are heavily segregated, and you really get to see how this generation operates. There are many other parts of the country where people are very very race-sensitive, and California is one of them.

Yes. I don't get this generation, as a Gen Xer. It is like they are turning back time. Or, did we increase immigration too fast in the past 20 to 30 years and there is not longer a sense of cohesion in this country at all?

Part of it is immigrant students who come from cultures where homogeneity is good and they prefer to stay with their cliques of international/their race students. Another part is higher ed becoming very diverse, potentially way too quickly and expecting the northeast boarding school generationally wealthy student to hang out with the rural, conservative queer kid is very unlikely to work in your favor. Diversity is great, but students will always find infrastructure and network in a way to stick to what they are used to and what they know.

Showing your true color. Xenophobia

...nothing about that is xenophobic. I'd stick with American students too if I were to go to college abroad.

Immigrants' kids are still Americans. Are you excluding them from your circle just because they are Asian immigrants' kids?

Oh my god you’re so dense. I’m specifically talking about Asian immigrant students, who are significant block of American higher ed

They aren’t a block.

Seriously, why are Americans so set on lumping more than half of the world’s population into one category?

Do you really think a Korean kid and a Sri Lankan kid see each other as members of some tribe together?

This isn’t unique to Asian people. That’s just how race works.

+1, this is a weird insistence by people on this forum that Asian people are so foreign to the rest of us that we wouldn’t understand that people from different countries…have different cultures and practices. Yes, we are aware. You aren’t special. Just be a person beyond your race.

You get it! We shouldn’t be thinking about how “diverse” we are in one race. Just treat people as people with respect.

+1 just be a person beyond your race. You can take pride in your heritage, acknowledge the wrongs and work on addressing current problems but you’re ultimately hurting and limiting yourself by making everything in life about race. Signed, minority parent.

when someone calls themselves a "minority" they mean Asian or Hispanic, just so you know. They float between being a "minority" when it is convenient or on the other hand part of a superior "family-oriented, education-oriented" culture when convenient.

This cannot be more racist! You are saying minority cannot be family-oriented, education-oriented?

Saying that “my culture is family-oriented” or “education-oriented” can sound like a benign expression of pride, but it often carries an unintended sting. When you frame these qualities as special to your own group, you implicitly invite comparison: if my culture is the one that cherishes family or schooling, what does that say about yours? The compliment to oneself doubles as a yardstick against which other communities can appear indifferent or deficient, even if that is not what the speaker intends. Because most societies prize kinship and learning in their own ways, labeling these values as uniquely ours comes across as a quiet form of ethnocentrism.

That sting is sharper in places like the United States, where “family-oriented” and “education-oriented” have long been coded into racial and immigration debates. Praising Asian Americans as especially studious, for example, props up the “model-minority” myth, which has historically been used to shame Black and Latino communities by suggesting they fall short through cultural flaws rather than structural barriers. Politicians who laud “hard-working, family-centered immigrants” often do so to single out certain nationalities for approval while casting others as less desirable. In these contexts, what sounds like a simple self-celebration actually reinforces old hierarchies.

This is the most Bizarre and twisted rubbish.

When someone says “my culture is family-oriented” or “education-oriented,” their immediate aim is often to explain what shaped their own attitudes and behaviors—nothing more. This is a descriptive claim, not a prescriptive one. In everyday conversation, people routinely name the earliest influences on their values: “I grew up in a community that always put family first,” or “Education was all my parents talked about.” If we immediately assume every such statement carries a hidden comparison or hierarchy, we risk discouraging honest self-description. Intent matters: most of the time people merely want to share where they come from, not measure others against that standard.

It’s possible to celebrate cultural strengths without implying that those strengths are absent elsewhere. For instance, saying “In my family, elders always gather every Sunday to share a meal” does not necessarily mean “Your family doesn’t.” In practice, everyone’s definition of “family-oriented” will look different. By framing it as “for us, this is especially important,” you can leave space for others to tell their own stories. In other words, you can express pride in your upbringing without forcing a zero-sum comparison.

You assumes that labeling any value as “special to my group” automatically positions other groups as deficient. But cultures are not monoliths, nor are all members of a culture identical. If you say “In my Korean American community, education is pitched as the surest path to stability,” you acknowledge a particular historical and social context—namely, the immigrant experience, Confucian legacies, or post-1965 university admissions patterns—without claiming that every other community lacks those same motivations. Being precise about why a community emphasizes schooling (for example, to overcome language barriers, or because of first-generation immigrant pressures) keeps the statement grounded in particular circumstances, rather than a global comparison.

+1000

Immigrants particularly Asian immigrants don’t have much left for support, family and education are the two things they can rely on to survive here.

This thread really reveals how much hate some hold against Asian Americans. We are not even allowed to say the most important things that matter to us.

What’s next? Are you going to take away those two things from Asian Americans? Are you going to send us to internment camps?

They think highlighting our reliance on family and education is a slight to their community, do they truly believe that families who’ve been in this country for generations don’t hold those same values? Of course they hold the same values. It’s unsettling to see people react as if we’re somehow “less American” or “too focused on grades.” Telling us our values are offensive or exclusionary, telling us to abandon them? Internment is a dark reminder of how quickly fear and prejudice can strip away rights. The hate beneath the surface is real.

Hate is far too strong of a word here. They do not hate and they have fair points which are dismissed by so many, especially on this board.

Most of this is driven by the behaviors and attitudes of the immigrants (particularly the tech focused immigrants) of the last 30 years. Their vocal advocacy for test based admissions systems like they grew up in along with their dismissal of the inequities of the US secondary education system and the lived experience challenges of some minorities causes pushback by others. Their failure to recognize that US schools value traits beyond test scores causes pushback by others. Their cries of 'anti-Asian racism' towards those who disagree causes pushback by others. Many in the community are pretty open in their opinions that certain groups "can't keep up" and do not deserve top educational opportunities. And this causes pushback by others.

Just to address one part of this, not saying it’s racism, but there’s a persistent tendency on DCUM to tie Asian American views to Asian culture. This risks coming across as an accusation of “unamericanness”. To be sure, there are certain elements of some Asian cultures that some families retain — for example, expectations about relationships with parents.

However, testing is different. The cold hard reality is that universities have had unofficial Asian quotas for a long time. Test-only admissions would blow these quotas away. Given that there is an abundantly rational explanation for why Asian families would support testing, why then would you turn to this othering cultural argument?

Finally, and this is not you, but there are other posters who much more crudely elide Asian Americans and citizens of Asian countries.

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We get it. You know one speech by MLK. He advocated for equity and was patently progressive. You’d call MLK a BLM rioter.

No I wouldn't. But I would call you a moron.

Just say "I'm wrong" and save my time, thanks.

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Real people or sock puppets, your back and forth arguing has destroyed the value of this thread.

I think there's merit in getting tips on how to get past cliquishness at college and generally learn to sincerely appreciate people from different backgrounds. But that can't happen. I appreciated the one student who did show up in the middle of this conflagration to add value.

Can you arguing people please cut it out? You're really wasting people's time and nobody is going to change their mind based on your arguments.

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Asian hate. See right through.

Bizarre conclusions on a pretty harmless post.

Liberal art colleges never attract many Asian students. Bring Asian in this conversation is clearly targeting Asian.

Take Williams as an example, the percentage of Asian students stay nearly unchanged over the years.
https://williamsrecord.com/467282/news/first-year-demographics-shift-slightly-following-affirmative-action-ban/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Asians are not being "targeted" by OP. The issue is the Asian and White students will not want to be friends with and share in life with the non Asian or White students, so why would a non Asian or non White student subject themselves to that? What "Asians" have to understand is that you never want people talking about you, even in a netural way, otherwise you claim "Asian hate" but at the same time all over DCUM, "Asisans" have so much to say about black people, and even white people at times.

Most absurd assertion. Not in NYC anyway.

Come to California. Berkeley is insanely racially segregated. All asian groups basically everywhere that judge white students and especially other minority students. White students flock towards the greek life for their "community." It's pretty clear when these campuses are heavily segregated, and you really get to see how this generation operates. There are many other parts of the country where people are very very race-sensitive, and California is one of them.

Yes. I don't get this generation, as a Gen Xer. It is like they are turning back time. Or, did we increase immigration too fast in the past 20 to 30 years and there is not longer a sense of cohesion in this country at all?

Part of it is immigrant students who come from cultures where homogeneity is good and they prefer to stay with their cliques of international/their race students. Another part is higher ed becoming very diverse, potentially way too quickly and expecting the northeast boarding school generationally wealthy student to hang out with the rural, conservative queer kid is very unlikely to work in your favor. Diversity is great, but students will always find infrastructure and network in a way to stick to what they are used to and what they know.

Showing your true color. Xenophobia

...nothing about that is xenophobic. I'd stick with American students too if I were to go to college abroad.

Immigrants' kids are still Americans. Are you excluding them from your circle just because they are Asian immigrants' kids?

Oh my god you’re so dense. I’m specifically talking about Asian immigrant students, who are significant block of American higher ed

They aren’t a block.

Seriously, why are Americans so set on lumping more than half of the world’s population into one category?

Do you really think a Korean kid and a Sri Lankan kid see each other as members of some tribe together?

This isn’t unique to Asian people. That’s just how race works.

+1, this is a weird insistence by people on this forum that Asian people are so foreign to the rest of us that we wouldn’t understand that people from different countries…have different cultures and practices. Yes, we are aware. You aren’t special. Just be a person beyond your race.

You get it! We shouldn’t be thinking about how “diverse” we are in one race. Just treat people as people with respect.

+1 just be a person beyond your race. You can take pride in your heritage, acknowledge the wrongs and work on addressing current problems but you’re ultimately hurting and limiting yourself by making everything in life about race. Signed, minority parent.

when someone calls themselves a "minority" they mean Asian or Hispanic, just so you know. They float between being a "minority" when it is convenient or on the other hand part of a superior "family-oriented, education-oriented" culture when convenient.

This cannot be more racist! You are saying minority cannot be family-oriented, education-oriented?

Saying that “my culture is family-oriented” or “education-oriented” can sound like a benign expression of pride, but it often carries an unintended sting. When you frame these qualities as special to your own group, you implicitly invite comparison: if my culture is the one that cherishes family or schooling, what does that say about yours? The compliment to oneself doubles as a yardstick against which other communities can appear indifferent or deficient, even if that is not what the speaker intends. Because most societies prize kinship and learning in their own ways, labeling these values as uniquely ours comes across as a quiet form of ethnocentrism.

That sting is sharper in places like the United States, where “family-oriented” and “education-oriented” have long been coded into racial and immigration debates. Praising Asian Americans as especially studious, for example, props up the “model-minority” myth, which has historically been used to shame Black and Latino communities by suggesting they fall short through cultural flaws rather than structural barriers. Politicians who laud “hard-working, family-centered immigrants” often do so to single out certain nationalities for approval while casting others as less desirable. In these contexts, what sounds like a simple self-celebration actually reinforces old hierarchies.

This is the most Bizarre and twisted rubbish.

When someone says “my culture is family-oriented” or “education-oriented,” their immediate aim is often to explain what shaped their own attitudes and behaviors—nothing more. This is a descriptive claim, not a prescriptive one. In everyday conversation, people routinely name the earliest influences on their values: “I grew up in a community that always put family first,” or “Education was all my parents talked about.” If we immediately assume every such statement carries a hidden comparison or hierarchy, we risk discouraging honest self-description. Intent matters: most of the time people merely want to share where they come from, not measure others against that standard.

It’s possible to celebrate cultural strengths without implying that those strengths are absent elsewhere. For instance, saying “In my family, elders always gather every Sunday to share a meal” does not necessarily mean “Your family doesn’t.” In practice, everyone’s definition of “family-oriented” will look different. By framing it as “for us, this is especially important,” you can leave space for others to tell their own stories. In other words, you can express pride in your upbringing without forcing a zero-sum comparison.

You assumes that labeling any value as “special to my group” automatically positions other groups as deficient. But cultures are not monoliths, nor are all members of a culture identical. If you say “In my Korean American community, education is pitched as the surest path to stability,” you acknowledge a particular historical and social context—namely, the immigrant experience, Confucian legacies, or post-1965 university admissions patterns—without claiming that every other community lacks those same motivations. Being precise about why a community emphasizes schooling (for example, to overcome language barriers, or because of first-generation immigrant pressures) keeps the statement grounded in particular circumstances, rather than a global comparison.

+1000

Immigrants particularly Asian immigrants don’t have much left for support, family and education are the two things they can rely on to survive here.

This thread really reveals how much hate some hold against Asian Americans. We are not even allowed to say the most important things that matter to us.

What’s next? Are you going to take away those two things from Asian Americans? Are you going to send us to internment camps?

While Asians may be in the minority in the U.S., they are far from being URMs. This is largely a result of Asians benefiting from unearned Asian privilege.

Hence, it is logical to exclude Asians from DEIA programs.

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Asian hate. See right through.

Bizarre conclusions on a pretty harmless post.

Liberal art colleges never attract many Asian students. Bring Asian in this conversation is clearly targeting Asian.

Take Williams as an example, the percentage of Asian students stay nearly unchanged over the years.
https://williamsrecord.com/467282/news/first-year-demographics-shift-slightly-following-affirmative-action-ban/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Asians are not being "targeted" by OP. The issue is the Asian and White students will not want to be friends with and share in life with the non Asian or White students, so why would a non Asian or non White student subject themselves to that? What "Asians" have to understand is that you never want people talking about you, even in a netural way, otherwise you claim "Asian hate" but at the same time all over DCUM, "Asisans" have so much to say about black people, and even white people at times.

Most absurd assertion. Not in NYC anyway.

Come to California. Berkeley is insanely racially segregated. All asian groups basically everywhere that judge white students and especially other minority students. White students flock towards the greek life for their "community." It's pretty clear when these campuses are heavily segregated, and you really get to see how this generation operates. There are many other parts of the country where people are very very race-sensitive, and California is one of them.

Yes. I don't get this generation, as a Gen Xer. It is like they are turning back time. Or, did we increase immigration too fast in the past 20 to 30 years and there is not longer a sense of cohesion in this country at all?

Part of it is immigrant students who come from cultures where homogeneity is good and they prefer to stay with their cliques of international/their race students. Another part is higher ed becoming very diverse, potentially way too quickly and expecting the northeast boarding school generationally wealthy student to hang out with the rural, conservative queer kid is very unlikely to work in your favor. Diversity is great, but students will always find infrastructure and network in a way to stick to what they are used to and what they know.

Showing your true color. Xenophobia

...nothing about that is xenophobic. I'd stick with American students too if I were to go to college abroad.

Immigrants' kids are still Americans. Are you excluding them from your circle just because they are Asian immigrants' kids?

Oh my god you’re so dense. I’m specifically talking about Asian immigrant students, who are significant block of American higher ed

They aren’t a block.

Seriously, why are Americans so set on lumping more than half of the world’s population into one category?

Do you really think a Korean kid and a Sri Lankan kid see each other as members of some tribe together?

This isn’t unique to Asian people. That’s just how race works.

+1, this is a weird insistence by people on this forum that Asian people are so foreign to the rest of us that we wouldn’t understand that people from different countries…have different cultures and practices. Yes, we are aware. You aren’t special. Just be a person beyond your race.

You get it! We shouldn’t be thinking about how “diverse” we are in one race. Just treat people as people with respect.

+1 just be a person beyond your race. You can take pride in your heritage, acknowledge the wrongs and work on addressing current problems but you’re ultimately hurting and limiting yourself by making everything in life about race. Signed, minority parent.

when someone calls themselves a "minority" they mean Asian or Hispanic, just so you know. They float between being a "minority" when it is convenient or on the other hand part of a superior "family-oriented, education-oriented" culture when convenient.

This cannot be more racist! You are saying minority cannot be family-oriented, education-oriented?

Saying that “my culture is family-oriented” or “education-oriented” can sound like a benign expression of pride, but it often carries an unintended sting. When you frame these qualities as special to your own group, you implicitly invite comparison: if my culture is the one that cherishes family or schooling, what does that say about yours? The compliment to oneself doubles as a yardstick against which other communities can appear indifferent or deficient, even if that is not what the speaker intends. Because most societies prize kinship and learning in their own ways, labeling these values as uniquely ours comes across as a quiet form of ethnocentrism.

That sting is sharper in places like the United States, where “family-oriented” and “education-oriented” have long been coded into racial and immigration debates. Praising Asian Americans as especially studious, for example, props up the “model-minority” myth, which has historically been used to shame Black and Latino communities by suggesting they fall short through cultural flaws rather than structural barriers. Politicians who laud “hard-working, family-centered immigrants” often do so to single out certain nationalities for approval while casting others as less desirable. In these contexts, what sounds like a simple self-celebration actually reinforces old hierarchies.

This is the most Bizarre and twisted rubbish.

When someone says “my culture is family-oriented” or “education-oriented,” their immediate aim is often to explain what shaped their own attitudes and behaviors—nothing more. This is a descriptive claim, not a prescriptive one. In everyday conversation, people routinely name the earliest influences on their values: “I grew up in a community that always put family first,” or “Education was all my parents talked about.” If we immediately assume every such statement carries a hidden comparison or hierarchy, we risk discouraging honest self-description. Intent matters: most of the time people merely want to share where they come from, not measure others against that standard.

It’s possible to celebrate cultural strengths without implying that those strengths are absent elsewhere. For instance, saying “In my family, elders always gather every Sunday to share a meal” does not necessarily mean “Your family doesn’t.” In practice, everyone’s definition of “family-oriented” will look different. By framing it as “for us, this is especially important,” you can leave space for others to tell their own stories. In other words, you can express pride in your upbringing without forcing a zero-sum comparison.

You assumes that labeling any value as “special to my group” automatically positions other groups as deficient. But cultures are not monoliths, nor are all members of a culture identical. If you say “In my Korean American community, education is pitched as the surest path to stability,” you acknowledge a particular historical and social context—namely, the immigrant experience, Confucian legacies, or post-1965 university admissions patterns—without claiming that every other community lacks those same motivations. Being precise about why a community emphasizes schooling (for example, to overcome language barriers, or because of first-generation immigrant pressures) keeps the statement grounded in particular circumstances, rather than a global comparison.

+1000

Immigrants particularly Asian immigrants don’t have much left for support, family and education are the two things they can rely on to survive here.

This thread really reveals how much hate some hold against Asian Americans. We are not even allowed to say the most important things that matter to us.

What’s next? Are you going to take away those two things from Asian Americans? Are you going to send us to internment camps?

They think highlighting our reliance on family and education is a slight to their community, do they truly believe that families who’ve been in this country for generations don’t hold those same values? Of course they hold the same values. It’s unsettling to see people react as if we’re somehow “less American” or “too focused on grades.” Telling us our values are offensive or exclusionary, telling us to abandon them? Internment is a dark reminder of how quickly fear and prejudice can strip away rights. The hate beneath the surface is real.

Hate is far too strong of a word here. They do not hate and they have fair points which are dismissed by so many, especially on this board.

Most of this is driven by the behaviors and attitudes of the immigrants (particularly the tech focused immigrants) of the last 30 years. Their vocal advocacy for test based admissions systems like they grew up in along with their dismissal of the inequities of the US secondary education system and the lived experience challenges of some minorities causes pushback by others. Their failure to recognize that US schools value traits beyond test scores causes pushback by others. Their cries of 'anti-Asian racism' towards those who disagree causes pushback by others. Many in the community are pretty open in their opinions that certain groups "can't keep up" and do not deserve top educational opportunities. And this causes pushback by others.

Just to address one part of this, not saying it’s racism, but there’s a persistent tendency on DCUM to tie Asian American views to Asian culture. This risks coming across as an accusation of “unamericanness”. To be sure, there are certain elements of some Asian cultures that some families retain — for example, expectations about relationships with parents.

However, testing is different. The cold hard reality is that universities have had unofficial Asian quotas for a long time. Test-only admissions would blow these quotas away. Given that there is an abundantly rational explanation for why Asian families would support testing, why then would you turn to this othering cultural argument?

Finally, and this is not you, but there are other posters who much more crudely elide Asian Americans and citizens of Asian countries.

PP here: Just so you know, my family is Asian American, I am a third generation immigrant and my wife is an immigrant. I think that we need to draw a distinction between generationally established Asian families and more recently arrived Asian families. There is more nuance to these things than most take the time to process, especially on DCUM. Those of us who have been part of this country for generations have a deeper understanding of just how broken our K-12 school system is while those who are more recent arrivals really do not. You will find much higher levels of support for a 'test only' system from the latter group than the former. I have lived this experience in my own household.

When you come from an environment where the curriculum is standardized and resources are distributed in a more uniform manner a test may make more sense. In our system a test only system would merely limit access to those able to attend solid, decently resourced schools in stable learning environments. Students from rural and/or low socioeconomic areas would effectively be shut out.

Universities do not have quotas or caps on Asian admissions but they have set up admissions in a manner which allows them to build the community that they want to build based on what they see as merit. That is their right as they are private institutions which is another nuance that many coming from overseas are not used to because elsewhere the most desirable schools are public. We all know that this is a very opaque process and one that wealthy families who have been here for generations are far more experienced at navigating. Newer families tend to focus on extremely high academics while established groups with a better understanding of the system focus on academics combined with a wider variety of activities which aligns with how admissions actually work in top schools.

I don't think that a test only system would 'blow the quotas away' because the wealthy have resources and would adjust to the process. You could see a large change in student demographics however and the resulting backlash would likely make Harvard's current difficulties seem quaint.

There are many posters who are crudely racist towards Asians on DCUM and it is appalling but it goes both ways. Many Asians are incredibly racist towards certain groups. People talk freely when you look like them and the things that I have heard said while sitting at school events at my kids high-performing, Asian majority school are pretty incredible; and not in a good way.

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Asian hate. See right through.

Bizarre conclusions on a pretty harmless post.

Liberal art colleges never attract many Asian students. Bring Asian in this conversation is clearly targeting Asian.

Take Williams as an example, the percentage of Asian students stay nearly unchanged over the years.
https://williamsrecord.com/467282/news/first-year-demographics-shift-slightly-following-affirmative-action-ban/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Asians are not being "targeted" by OP. The issue is the Asian and White students will not want to be friends with and share in life with the non Asian or White students, so why would a non Asian or non White student subject themselves to that? What "Asians" have to understand is that you never want people talking about you, even in a netural way, otherwise you claim "Asian hate" but at the same time all over DCUM, "Asisans" have so much to say about black people, and even white people at times.

Most absurd assertion. Not in NYC anyway.

Come to California. Berkeley is insanely racially segregated. All asian groups basically everywhere that judge white students and especially other minority students. White students flock towards the greek life for their "community." It's pretty clear when these campuses are heavily segregated, and you really get to see how this generation operates. There are many other parts of the country where people are very very race-sensitive, and California is one of them.

Yes. I don't get this generation, as a Gen Xer. It is like they are turning back time. Or, did we increase immigration too fast in the past 20 to 30 years and there is not longer a sense of cohesion in this country at all?

Part of it is immigrant students who come from cultures where homogeneity is good and they prefer to stay with their cliques of international/their race students. Another part is higher ed becoming very diverse, potentially way too quickly and expecting the northeast boarding school generationally wealthy student to hang out with the rural, conservative queer kid is very unlikely to work in your favor. Diversity is great, but students will always find infrastructure and network in a way to stick to what they are used to and what they know.

Showing your true color. Xenophobia

...nothing about that is xenophobic. I'd stick with American students too if I were to go to college abroad.

Immigrants' kids are still Americans. Are you excluding them from your circle just because they are Asian immigrants' kids?

Oh my god you’re so dense. I’m specifically talking about Asian immigrant students, who are significant block of American higher ed

They aren’t a block.

Seriously, why are Americans so set on lumping more than half of the world’s population into one category?

Do you really think a Korean kid and a Sri Lankan kid see each other as members of some tribe together?

This isn’t unique to Asian people. That’s just how race works.

+1, this is a weird insistence by people on this forum that Asian people are so foreign to the rest of us that we wouldn’t understand that people from different countries…have different cultures and practices. Yes, we are aware. You aren’t special. Just be a person beyond your race.

You get it! We shouldn’t be thinking about how “diverse” we are in one race. Just treat people as people with respect.

+1 just be a person beyond your race. You can take pride in your heritage, acknowledge the wrongs and work on addressing current problems but you’re ultimately hurting and limiting yourself by making everything in life about race. Signed, minority parent.

when someone calls themselves a "minority" they mean Asian or Hispanic, just so you know. They float between being a "minority" when it is convenient or on the other hand part of a superior "family-oriented, education-oriented" culture when convenient.

This cannot be more racist! You are saying minority cannot be family-oriented, education-oriented?

Saying that “my culture is family-oriented” or “education-oriented” can sound like a benign expression of pride, but it often carries an unintended sting. When you frame these qualities as special to your own group, you implicitly invite comparison: if my culture is the one that cherishes family or schooling, what does that say about yours? The compliment to oneself doubles as a yardstick against which other communities can appear indifferent or deficient, even if that is not what the speaker intends. Because most societies prize kinship and learning in their own ways, labeling these values as uniquely ours comes across as a quiet form of ethnocentrism.

That sting is sharper in places like the United States, where “family-oriented” and “education-oriented” have long been coded into racial and immigration debates. Praising Asian Americans as especially studious, for example, props up the “model-minority” myth, which has historically been used to shame Black and Latino communities by suggesting they fall short through cultural flaws rather than structural barriers. Politicians who laud “hard-working, family-centered immigrants” often do so to single out certain nationalities for approval while casting others as less desirable. In these contexts, what sounds like a simple self-celebration actually reinforces old hierarchies.

This is the most Bizarre and twisted rubbish.

When someone says “my culture is family-oriented” or “education-oriented,” their immediate aim is often to explain what shaped their own attitudes and behaviors—nothing more. This is a descriptive claim, not a prescriptive one. In everyday conversation, people routinely name the earliest influences on their values: “I grew up in a community that always put family first,” or “Education was all my parents talked about.” If we immediately assume every such statement carries a hidden comparison or hierarchy, we risk discouraging honest self-description. Intent matters: most of the time people merely want to share where they come from, not measure others against that standard.

It’s possible to celebrate cultural strengths without implying that those strengths are absent elsewhere. For instance, saying “In my family, elders always gather every Sunday to share a meal” does not necessarily mean “Your family doesn’t.” In practice, everyone’s definition of “family-oriented” will look different. By framing it as “for us, this is especially important,” you can leave space for others to tell their own stories. In other words, you can express pride in your upbringing without forcing a zero-sum comparison.

You assumes that labeling any value as “special to my group” automatically positions other groups as deficient. But cultures are not monoliths, nor are all members of a culture identical. If you say “In my Korean American community, education is pitched as the surest path to stability,” you acknowledge a particular historical and social context—namely, the immigrant experience, Confucian legacies, or post-1965 university admissions patterns—without claiming that every other community lacks those same motivations. Being precise about why a community emphasizes schooling (for example, to overcome language barriers, or because of first-generation immigrant pressures) keeps the statement grounded in particular circumstances, rather than a global comparison.

+1000

Immigrants particularly Asian immigrants don’t have much left for support, family and education are the two things they can rely on to survive here.

This thread really reveals how much hate some hold against Asian Americans. We are not even allowed to say the most important things that matter to us.

What’s next? Are you going to take away those two things from Asian Americans? Are you going to send us to internment camps?

They think highlighting our reliance on family and education is a slight to their community, do they truly believe that families who’ve been in this country for generations don’t hold those same values? Of course they hold the same values. It’s unsettling to see people react as if we’re somehow “less American” or “too focused on grades.” Telling us our values are offensive or exclusionary, telling us to abandon them? Internment is a dark reminder of how quickly fear and prejudice can strip away rights. The hate beneath the surface is real.

Hate is far too strong of a word here. They do not hate and they have fair points which are dismissed by so many, especially on this board.

Most of this is driven by the behaviors and attitudes of the immigrants (particularly the tech focused immigrants) of the last 30 years. Their vocal advocacy for test based admissions systems like they grew up in along with their dismissal of the inequities of the US secondary education system and the lived experience challenges of some minorities causes pushback by others. Their failure to recognize that US schools value traits beyond test scores causes pushback by others. Their cries of 'anti-Asian racism' towards those who disagree causes pushback by others. Many in the community are pretty open in their opinions that certain groups "can't keep up" and do not deserve top educational opportunities. And this causes pushback by others.

I was ready to bow out of this thread, but since the discussion is still going, allow me add one more point.

When DCUM talks about “immigrants” or “tech-focused immigrants” as a single bloc, they treat individuals as interchangeable members of a group instead of recognizing their variety, it slips into stereotyping and racism. Within the Chinese-American community alone there is wide political and cultural diversity. For example, the relatively small number of Chinese Americans who take a hard-line MAGA stance tend to live in solidly red states such as Ohio or North Carolina, while many Chinese professionals in New York or California are comfortable with diversity, equity, and inclusion. Voting data bear this out: the majority of Asian-American voters in NYC or California, have backed Democratic candidates in recent elections. Geography shapes outlook far more than race does.

Regardless of politics, most these families still view standardized tests as one of the fairest measures of college readiness—not because they (at least not all) lack empathy for marginalized groups, but because they believe the overall academic rigor of the United States has slipped from its former peak drastically. Whether standardized testing should remain a requirement is up for debate. That said, most elite colleges have concluded that test scores are a useful indicator of academic readiness, and have reinstated test requirement. Unfortunately, DCUM crazies and racists responded in ways that are irrational—dismissing Asians as “not interesting” and disparaging their core values like being family-focused or education-focused. (Some of the most extreme posts were removed, so I can’t quote them anymore.) And we see Black students do not wish to befriend with Asian students as if they are Dalit.