Advice from Parents of *Minority Students*

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"Asian" encompasses a lot of countries. Are you saying a campus with a mixture Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Japanese, Southeast Asians etc., and white doesn't have diversity?

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Anonymous wrote:"Asian" encompasses a lot of countries. Are you saying a campus with a mixture Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Japanese, Southeast Asians etc., and white doesn't have diversity?

We understand the concept of race.

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Anonymous wrote:"Asian" encompasses a lot of countries. Are you saying a campus with a mixture Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Japanese, Southeast Asians etc., and white doesn't have diversity?

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Also encompass Indians.
Asian is a concept of many races.

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Anonymous wrote:"Asian" encompasses a lot of countries. Are you saying a campus with a mixture Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Japanese, Southeast Asians etc., and white doesn't have diversity?

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Also encompass Indians.
Asian is a concept of many races.

Asian is a race.

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Anonymous wrote:"Asian" encompasses a lot of countries. Are you saying a campus with a mixture Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Japanese, Southeast Asians etc., and white doesn't have diversity?

We understand the concept of race.

+1, Algerians aren't like Finnish people aren't like American Whites. Culture and diversity isn't bound by any race. Race is just a classification system, it doesn't literally mean you are the same people. Africa, as a whole, would blow some people in this threads' minds; hell, a small town in an African nation would surprise people here. All races have various cultures, practices, skintones, languages, etc.

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Color doesn't matter-Black or Asian. If the school is 1% black or 1% Asian, why would you care? People are people.

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Anonymous wrote:"Asian" encompasses a lot of countries. Are you saying a campus with a mixture Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Japanese, Southeast Asians etc., and white doesn't have diversity?

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Also encompass Indians.
Asian is a concept of many races.

Asian is a race.

Sure. When you send us to the internment, it’s convenient it doesn’t matter if we are Chinese or Filipino.

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Asian hate. See right through.

Bizarre conclusions on a pretty harmless post.

Liberal art colleges never attract many Asian students. Bring Asian in this conversation is clearly targeting Asian.

Take Williams as an example, the percentage of Asian students stay nearly unchanged over the years.
https://williamsrecord.com/467282/news/first-year-demographics-shift-slightly-following-affirmative-action-ban/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Asians are not being "targeted" by OP. The issue is the Asian and White students will not want to be friends with and share in life with the non Asian or White students, so why would a non Asian or non White student subject themselves to that? What "Asians" have to understand is that you never want people talking about you, even in a netural way, otherwise you claim "Asian hate" but at the same time all over DCUM, "Asisans" have so much to say about black people, and even white people at times.

Most absurd assertion. Not in NYC anyway.

Come to California. Berkeley is insanely racially segregated. All asian groups basically everywhere that judge white students and especially other minority students. White students flock towards the greek life for their "community." It's pretty clear when these campuses are heavily segregated, and you really get to see how this generation operates. There are many other parts of the country where people are very very race-sensitive, and California is one of them.

Yes. I don't get this generation, as a Gen Xer. It is like they are turning back time. Or, did we increase immigration too fast in the past 20 to 30 years and there is not longer a sense of cohesion in this country at all?

Part of it is immigrant students who come from cultures where homogeneity is good and they prefer to stay with their cliques of international/their race students. Another part is higher ed becoming very diverse, potentially way too quickly and expecting the northeast boarding school generationally wealthy student to hang out with the rural, conservative queer kid is very unlikely to work in your favor. Diversity is great, but students will always find infrastructure and network in a way to stick to what they are used to and what they know.

Showing your true color. Xenophobia

...nothing about that is xenophobic. I'd stick with American students too if I were to go to college abroad.

Immigrants' kids are still Americans. Are you excluding them from your circle just because they are Asian immigrants' kids?

Oh my god you’re so dense. I’m specifically talking about Asian immigrant students, who are significant block of American higher ed

They aren’t a block.

Seriously, why are Americans so set on lumping more than half of the world’s population into one category?

Do you really think a Korean kid and a Sri Lankan kid see each other as members of some tribe together?

This isn’t unique to Asian people. That’s just how race works.

+1, this is a weird insistence by people on this forum that Asian people are so foreign to the rest of us that we wouldn’t understand that people from different countries…have different cultures and practices. Yes, we are aware. You aren’t special. Just be a person beyond your race.

You get it! We shouldn’t be thinking about how “diverse” we are in one race. Just treat people as people with respect.

+1 just be a person beyond your race. You can take pride in your heritage, acknowledge the wrongs and work on addressing current problems but you’re ultimately hurting and limiting yourself by making everything in life about race. Signed, minority parent.

when someone calls themselves a "minority" they mean Asian or Hispanic, just so you know. They float between being a "minority" when it is convenient or on the other hand part of a superior "family-oriented, education-oriented" culture when convenient.

This cannot be more racist! You are saying minority cannot be family-oriented, education-oriented?

Saying that “my culture is family-oriented” or “education-oriented” can sound like a benign expression of pride, but it often carries an unintended sting. When you frame these qualities as special to your own group, you implicitly invite comparison: if my culture is the one that cherishes family or schooling, what does that say about yours? The compliment to oneself doubles as a yardstick against which other communities can appear indifferent or deficient, even if that is not what the speaker intends. Because most societies prize kinship and learning in their own ways, labeling these values as uniquely ours comes across as a quiet form of ethnocentrism.

That sting is sharper in places like the United States, where “family-oriented” and “education-oriented” have long been coded into racial and immigration debates. Praising Asian Americans as especially studious, for example, props up the “model-minority” myth, which has historically been used to shame Black and Latino communities by suggesting they fall short through cultural flaws rather than structural barriers. Politicians who laud “hard-working, family-centered immigrants” often do so to single out certain nationalities for approval while casting others as less desirable. In these contexts, what sounds like a simple self-celebration actually reinforces old hierarchies.

This is the most Bizarre and twisted rubbish.

When someone says “my culture is family-oriented” or “education-oriented,” their immediate aim is often to explain what shaped their own attitudes and behaviors—nothing more. This is a descriptive claim, not a prescriptive one. In everyday conversation, people routinely name the earliest influences on their values: “I grew up in a community that always put family first,” or “Education was all my parents talked about.” If we immediately assume every such statement carries a hidden comparison or hierarchy, we risk discouraging honest self-description. Intent matters: most of the time people merely want to share where they come from, not measure others against that standard.

It’s possible to celebrate cultural strengths without implying that those strengths are absent elsewhere. For instance, saying “In my family, elders always gather every Sunday to share a meal” does not necessarily mean “Your family doesn’t.” In practice, everyone’s definition of “family-oriented” will look different. By framing it as “for us, this is especially important,” you can leave space for others to tell their own stories. In other words, you can express pride in your upbringing without forcing a zero-sum comparison.

You assumes that labeling any value as “special to my group” automatically positions other groups as deficient. But cultures are not monoliths, nor are all members of a culture identical. If you say “In my Korean American community, education is pitched as the surest path to stability,” you acknowledge a particular historical and social context—namely, the immigrant experience, Confucian legacies, or post-1965 university admissions patterns—without claiming that every other community lacks those same motivations. Being precise about why a community emphasizes schooling (for example, to overcome language barriers, or because of first-generation immigrant pressures) keeps the statement grounded in particular circumstances, rather than a global comparison.

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Immigrants particularly Asian immigrants don’t have much left for support, family and education are the two things they can rely on to survive here.

This thread really reveals how much hate some hold against Asian Americans. We are not even allowed to say the most important things that matter to us.

What’s next? Are you going to take away those two things from Asian Americans? Are you going to send us to internment camps?

They think highlighting our reliance on family and education is a slight to their community, do they truly believe that families who’ve been in this country for generations don’t hold those same values? Of course they hold the same values. It’s unsettling to see people react as if we’re somehow “less American” or “too focused on grades.” Telling us our values are offensive or exclusionary, telling us to abandon them? Internment is a dark reminder of how quickly fear and prejudice can strip away rights. The hate beneath the surface is real.

Hate is far too strong of a word here. They do not hate and they have fair points which are dismissed by so many, especially on this board.

Most of this is driven by the behaviors and attitudes of the immigrants (particularly the tech focused immigrants) of the last 30 years. Their vocal advocacy for test based admissions systems like they grew up in along with their dismissal of the inequities of the US secondary education system and the lived experience challenges of some minorities causes pushback by others. Their failure to recognize that US schools value traits beyond test scores causes pushback by others. Their cries of 'anti-Asian racism' towards those who disagree causes pushback by others. Many in the community are pretty open in their opinions that certain groups "can't keep up" and do not deserve top educational opportunities. And this causes pushback by others.

I was ready to bow out of this thread, but since the discussion is still going, allow me add one more point.

When DCUM talks about “immigrants” or “tech-focused immigrants” as a single bloc, they treat individuals as interchangeable members of a group instead of recognizing their variety, it slips into stereotyping and racism. Within the Chinese-American community alone there is wide political and cultural diversity. For example, the relatively small number of Chinese Americans who take a hard-line MAGA stance tend to live in solidly red states such as Ohio or North Carolina, while many Chinese professionals in New York or California are comfortable with diversity, equity, and inclusion. Voting data bear this out: the majority of Asian-American voters in NYC or California, have backed Democratic candidates in recent elections. Geography shapes outlook far more than race does.

Regardless of politics, most these families still view standardized tests as one of the fairest measures of college readiness—not because they (at least not all) lack empathy for marginalized groups, but because they believe the overall academic rigor of the United States has slipped from its former peak drastically. Whether standardized testing should remain a requirement is up for debate. That said, most elite colleges have concluded that test scores are a useful indicator of academic readiness, and have reinstated test requirement. Unfortunately, DCUM crazies and racists responded in ways that are irrational—dismissing Asians as “not interesting” and disparaging their core values like being family-focused or education-focused. (Some of the most extreme posts were removed, so I can’t quote them anymore.) And we see Black students do not wish to befriend with Asian students as if they are Dalit.

China and those countries heavily influenced by Chinese culture have a long and fascinating relationship with standardised testing.

For 1000 years imperial examinations were one of the key drivers of social mobility and meritocratic advancement in a society that was otherwise extremely stratified. It allowed a family with little social capital to advance in society if one of its sons could prove himself worthy through the examinations. (And yes, this was always a family effort and always a son.)

It should be no surprise that East Asian immigrants arriving in the US or the children of relatively recent immigrants bring the same mentality to a new country where they face the same challenge of limited social capital and a desire to advance.

Anyone who has read this message board is familiar with the attitude of many “upper middle class” residents of the DC region who feel their children should gain admission to elite institutions but simultaneously believe that it is unseemly to be seen as trying too hard, being a “striver.”

People here often claim in almost the same breath that meritocracy isn’t real but that Asians are succeeding too much because they are working too hard…

My children attend an elite school in Hong Kong and I can easily see both the strengths and weaknesses of the system. There is a lot of pressure, and students are expected to work hard. On the other hand these are the exact international students so many on DCUM love to hate. Its 2025 graduates have been accepted to every Ivy, University of Chicago, Stanford, USC, Oxford and Cambridge. Really the only school missing this year is MIT… and contrary to stereotypes these are wonderful kids with great natural aptitude and a tremendous work ethic that have social lives, extracurricular activities and leadership abilities.

If you are interested in better understanding Chinese attitudes towards education I recommend reading Other Rivers by Peter Hessler, an easy read by an American professor at a Chinese university or Rise and Fall of the EAST by Yasheng Huang, a much more academic book that approaches this from a political science perspective.

[Anonymous]

Sorry OP, I don't understand how a post about what it is like being Black (or hispanic when you look stereotypically Hispanic with dark brown/black hair, brown eyes, and olive/tan skin) has so many pages about Asians.

That right here is what our kids are up against. Instead of being supportive the posts are about Asians, about how everyone should be color blind, or about anything under the sun except what it is like when you are one of the few non white/non Asian students at a college that is so overwhelmingly white/Asian.

Now add the issue of class divide between students and if you are a black/hispanic student who is upper middle class/ well off it is also a different experience because often many (but certainly not all!) of the black/ hispanic students are first gen / low income. So even the community gets divided at times. So consider that aspect of if there isn't a critical mass of brown students it can be even harder to feel like you fit in. And then all the stereotypes of - you much be here getting full financial aid assumptions, or the continued affirmative action disparaging comments of that is how you got in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DD is entering a top liberal arts college and has joined the class instagram page and group chat. It is bewilderingly white and asian compared to past classes, and even when she looks into the instagram pages of these students, their high school environments were clearly mostly white and/or asian. She is starting to regret her choice and is worried about fitting in. It's sad because this used to be one of the most diverse schools in the country, but it is clear politics has obliterated any chance of that returning.

My advice is to keep supporting your daughter to keep up her confidence. My situation is a little different because my black son is in a larger school that's single digit black. But he is usually the "only" in his classes. Encourage her to be herself, and remind her that she belongs.

[Anonymous]

I don't think those group pages or whatsapp groups are reflective of the entirety of the class at all.

My kids are starting college soon and have flat out refused to join any of the whatsapp groups aimed at getting them "talking" with other students.

And I've heard from other parents that many times kids get no benefit from these, often spending time ridding themselves of unwanted contacts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unless she only wants to socialize with black people for whatever reason, I’d assume it would be much easier this year than in other years to fit in and be accepted by all now that everyone knows your kid earned their spot based on merit rather than their skin color.

No one intelligent enough to get into a top college cares about this. You don't go to a good college to spend your 4 years proving you are smart enough to get in. Much of these schools are filled with wealthy, subpar students who had the right connections or athletes with craters in their skulls and the minimum stats for admission. You get over merit when you quickly realize those who climb quickest are never the smartest in the room.

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She'll be great. It might take a little time for her to find her people (friends with a similar spirit). Everyone gets nervous, regardless of their race. I will never know how bad your experiences get, but I've seen kids not giving a damn about races. They might joke about stereotypes, but that's just pulling each other's legs.
Don't pay attention to the parents, they belong to a different generation and some have stayed in their comfort zone for too long to broaden their awareness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You won't see much important from parents here. They're mostly white and love making fun of black students at any moment. I'd reach out to other parents in your community who are sympathetic. People here like inequality.

People here like the students admitted to top colleges to be equally qualified. Do you really think that super-liberal Pomona would stop offering admission to highly qualified black kids if they had the opportunity? If you do, you are delusional. The number of college-ready whites and Asians dwarfs the number of college-ready blacks and Hispanics. It's time we get to work on K-12 and fix that, but fudging it with doctored college admissions serves no ones interests.

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Asian hate. See right through.

Bizarre conclusions on a pretty harmless post.

Liberal art colleges never attract many Asian students. Bring Asian in this conversation is clearly targeting Asian.

Take Williams as an example, the percentage of Asian students stay nearly unchanged over the years.
https://williamsrecord.com/467282/news/first-year-demographics-shift-slightly-following-affirmative-action-ban/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Asians are not being "targeted" by OP. The issue is the Asian and White students will not want to be friends with and share in life with the non Asian or White students, so why would a non Asian or non White student subject themselves to that? What "Asians" have to understand is that you never want people talking about you, even in a netural way, otherwise you claim "Asian hate" but at the same time all over DCUM, "Asisans" have so much to say about black people, and even white people at times.

Most absurd assertion. Not in NYC anyway.

Come to California. Berkeley is insanely racially segregated. All asian groups basically everywhere that judge white students and especially other minority students. White students flock towards the greek life for their "community." It's pretty clear when these campuses are heavily segregated, and you really get to see how this generation operates. There are many other parts of the country where people are very very race-sensitive, and California is one of them.

Yes. I don't get this generation, as a Gen Xer. It is like they are turning back time. Or, did we increase immigration too fast in the past 20 to 30 years and there is not longer a sense of cohesion in this country at all?

Part of it is immigrant students who come from cultures where homogeneity is good and they prefer to stay with their cliques of international/their race students. Another part is higher ed becoming very diverse, potentially way too quickly and expecting the northeast boarding school generationally wealthy student to hang out with the rural, conservative queer kid is very unlikely to work in your favor. Diversity is great, but students will always find infrastructure and network in a way to stick to what they are used to and what they know.

Showing your true color. Xenophobia

...nothing about that is xenophobic. I'd stick with American students too if I were to go to college abroad.

Immigrants' kids are still Americans. Are you excluding them from your circle just because they are Asian immigrants' kids?

Oh my god you’re so dense. I’m specifically talking about Asian immigrant students, who are significant block of American higher ed

They aren’t a block.

Seriously, why are Americans so set on lumping more than half of the world’s population into one category?

Do you really think a Korean kid and a Sri Lankan kid see each other as members of some tribe together?

This isn’t unique to Asian people. That’s just how race works.

+1, this is a weird insistence by people on this forum that Asian people are so foreign to the rest of us that we wouldn’t understand that people from different countries…have different cultures and practices. Yes, we are aware. You aren’t special. Just be a person beyond your race.

You get it! We shouldn’t be thinking about how “diverse” we are in one race. Just treat people as people with respect.

+1 just be a person beyond your race. You can take pride in your heritage, acknowledge the wrongs and work on addressing current problems but you’re ultimately hurting and limiting yourself by making everything in life about race. Signed, minority parent.

when someone calls themselves a "minority" they mean Asian or Hispanic, just so you know. They float between being a "minority" when it is convenient or on the other hand part of a superior "family-oriented, education-oriented" culture when convenient.

This cannot be more racist! You are saying minority cannot be family-oriented, education-oriented?

Saying that “my culture is family-oriented” or “education-oriented” can sound like a benign expression of pride, but it often carries an unintended sting. When you frame these qualities as special to your own group, you implicitly invite comparison: if my culture is the one that cherishes family or schooling, what does that say about yours? The compliment to oneself doubles as a yardstick against which other communities can appear indifferent or deficient, even if that is not what the speaker intends. Because most societies prize kinship and learning in their own ways, labeling these values as uniquely ours comes across as a quiet form of ethnocentrism.

That sting is sharper in places like the United States, where “family-oriented” and “education-oriented” have long been coded into racial and immigration debates. Praising Asian Americans as especially studious, for example, props up the “model-minority” myth, which has historically been used to shame Black and Latino communities by suggesting they fall short through cultural flaws rather than structural barriers. Politicians who laud “hard-working, family-centered immigrants” often do so to single out certain nationalities for approval while casting others as less desirable. In these contexts, what sounds like a simple self-celebration actually reinforces old hierarchies.

This is the most Bizarre and twisted rubbish.

When someone says “my culture is family-oriented” or “education-oriented,” their immediate aim is often to explain what shaped their own attitudes and behaviors—nothing more. This is a descriptive claim, not a prescriptive one. In everyday conversation, people routinely name the earliest influences on their values: “I grew up in a community that always put family first,” or “Education was all my parents talked about.” If we immediately assume every such statement carries a hidden comparison or hierarchy, we risk discouraging honest self-description. Intent matters: most of the time people merely want to share where they come from, not measure others against that standard.

It’s possible to celebrate cultural strengths without implying that those strengths are absent elsewhere. For instance, saying “In my family, elders always gather every Sunday to share a meal” does not necessarily mean “Your family doesn’t.” In practice, everyone’s definition of “family-oriented” will look different. By framing it as “for us, this is especially important,” you can leave space for others to tell their own stories. In other words, you can express pride in your upbringing without forcing a zero-sum comparison.

You assumes that labeling any value as “special to my group” automatically positions other groups as deficient. But cultures are not monoliths, nor are all members of a culture identical. If you say “In my Korean American community, education is pitched as the surest path to stability,” you acknowledge a particular historical and social context—namely, the immigrant experience, Confucian legacies, or post-1965 university admissions patterns—without claiming that every other community lacks those same motivations. Being precise about why a community emphasizes schooling (for example, to overcome language barriers, or because of first-generation immigrant pressures) keeps the statement grounded in particular circumstances, rather than a global comparison.

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Immigrants particularly Asian immigrants don’t have much left for support, family and education are the two things they can rely on to survive here.

This thread really reveals how much hate some hold against Asian Americans. We are not even allowed to say the most important things that matter to us.

What’s next? Are you going to take away those two things from Asian Americans? Are you going to send us to internment camps?

They think highlighting our reliance on family and education is a slight to their community, do they truly believe that families who’ve been in this country for generations don’t hold those same values? Of course they hold the same values. It’s unsettling to see people react as if we’re somehow “less American” or “too focused on grades.” Telling us our values are offensive or exclusionary, telling us to abandon them? Internment is a dark reminder of how quickly fear and prejudice can strip away rights. The hate beneath the surface is real.

Hate is far too strong of a word here. They do not hate and they have fair points which are dismissed by so many, especially on this board.

Most of this is driven by the behaviors and attitudes of the immigrants (particularly the tech focused immigrants) of the last 30 years. Their vocal advocacy for test based admissions systems like they grew up in along with their dismissal of the inequities of the US secondary education system and the lived experience challenges of some minorities causes pushback by others. Their failure to recognize that US schools value traits beyond test scores causes pushback by others. Their cries of 'anti-Asian racism' towards those who disagree causes pushback by others. Many in the community are pretty open in their opinions that certain groups "can't keep up" and do not deserve top educational opportunities. And this causes pushback by others.

I was ready to bow out of this thread, but since the discussion is still going, allow me add one more point.

When DCUM talks about “immigrants” or “tech-focused immigrants” as a single bloc, they treat individuals as interchangeable members of a group instead of recognizing their variety, it slips into stereotyping and racism. Within the Chinese-American community alone there is wide political and cultural diversity. For example, the relatively small number of Chinese Americans who take a hard-line MAGA stance tend to live in solidly red states such as Ohio or North Carolina, while many Chinese professionals in New York or California are comfortable with diversity, equity, and inclusion. Voting data bear this out: the majority of Asian-American voters in NYC or California, have backed Democratic candidates in recent elections. Geography shapes outlook far more than race does.

Regardless of politics, most these families still view standardized tests as one of the fairest measures of college readiness—not because they (at least not all) lack empathy for marginalized groups, but because they believe the overall academic rigor of the United States has slipped from its former peak drastically. Whether standardized testing should remain a requirement is up for debate. That said, most elite colleges have concluded that test scores are a useful indicator of academic readiness, and have reinstated test requirement. Unfortunately, DCUM crazies and racists responded in ways that are irrational—dismissing Asians as “not interesting” and disparaging their core values like being family-focused or education-focused. (Some of the most extreme posts were removed, so I can’t quote them anymore.) And we see Black students do not wish to befriend with Asian students as if they are Dalit.

"because they believe the overall academic rigor of the United States has slipped from its former peak drastically." This is comical. They support testing because and only because they believe that it will favor their children. They could care less about the rigor at any school other than the ones that they so desperately want their children to attend.

I fully support testing but I also believe that it should be used in the context of a students opportunities. The stated belief by many in the Asian community that the only things that merits consideration for admission is GPA and test score is a narrow and inadequate view, one not shared by the general public at large nor the universities themselves.

Yes, parents want their own kids to benefit, but honestly this is much bigger than pure self-interest. We are in an era of rampant grade inflation. SAT test is one of the few data points that isn’t curved by a local school district, so families who value academic rigor understandably defend it. Test scores predict college performance roughly four times better than high-school GPA. After Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, Brown, and MIT brought back required testing, Asian did not actually benefit from that as the Asian admits did not increase significantly. These elite colleges found that test data helps identify talent across socioeconomic backgrounds and can be more egalitarian when read in context. So, test required benefits fgli who are truly talented.

Most Asian parents do not want scores to be the only factor. Their kids engage in a variety of ECs in sports, art, music, debate, etc. What they want is a fair holistic review process, one that does not automatically give Asian kids a score of 1 in personality rating (similar to DCUM crazies saying "Asians are just not interesting").

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Anonymous wrote:You won't see much important from parents here. They're mostly white and love making fun of black students at any moment. I'd reach out to other parents in your community who are sympathetic. People here like inequality.

People here like the students admitted to top colleges to be equally qualified. Do you really think that super-liberal Pomona would stop offering admission to highly qualified black kids if they had the opportunity? If you do, you are delusional. The number of college-ready whites and Asians dwarfs the number of college-ready blacks and Hispanics. It's time we get to work on K-12 and fix that, but fudging it with doctored college admissions serves no ones interests.

yes there was a such a bad crisis that when Pomona had a nearly 18% black class, the graduation rate plummeted and the GPAs diminished to 0....oh wait, that never happened and the graduation rate, fellowship achievement, and average gpa all stayed the same! It's almost like there's a lot more "college ready" kids than DCUM thinks, but it doesn't fit a certain (racist) narrative.