Basketball, pop culture, there are a lot of things to share in life between Asian and Black. I don't understand the claim Asian and Black won't befriend each other. Not my life experience.
Your life experience is called anecdote. The peer reviewed research paper looks at data.
Anonymous wrote:Asian cultures tend to praise and glorify white attributes and skin, which is deeply problematic to Americans, but we have to accept that this is their culture. If they choose not to talk to black or Hispanic students, that might be a good thing for everyone
This is super racist right here
Racist? Talk to my Korean mother in law who I had to spend a year working through her own racism because she couldn’t handle her daughter marrying someone who isn’t Korean. Or the skin bleaching practices that are normalized? Or what about the very inequitable treatment of white people, including me, versus minorities in East Asian societies. It’s as racist as calling America a consumerist society is stereotyping. Not everyone babies every little thing minorities do and can see the obvious racism many Asian Americans hold.
Wait. So Asians glorify whites and are also racist against whites?
I have lived in several countries and America has the most racial issues but it's people are among the least racist.
Mono cultures don't seem racist because they are a mono culture but they're racist AF.
All those Western European countries thought they weren't racist until brown immigrants started moving in. Now they are electing Nazis.
Asian countries are hella racist too.
African tribalism crosses the line into genocide and eat crimes from time to time.
America is relatively mild when it comes to the racism.
Anonymous wrote:Did not read the thread in total. But once DC realizes that skin color doesn’t matter, they will be free to enjoy this collfge and most will enjoy it with them. Race only matters if you make it.
Yep, this means Asians should make every effort to become friends with not only white students, but hispanic, and gasp! black students as well. You got it, skin color doesn't matter.
It is easier when everyone gets in on merit. There will be a transmission period over the next 4 years but 4 years from now everyone will be peers
I'm as anti wine as the next guy but it might be better to say racism doesn't matter as much but it definitely exists. It's built into the human condition
Anonymous wrote:I’m convinced we could cure racism by putting black and Asian people on an island and letting them duke it out. Hispanic and black peoples don’t have a problem, white and Asian, Asian and Hispanic, black and white-it’s just these two groups together shrieking incessantly
No, black people just want Asian people to keep their names out of their mouths. Stop scapgoating us for everything while at the same time demanding that out history and impact on this country not be talked about.
Asian people just want white people to stop paying their moral debt to black people at the expense of asian people.
Nothing about your history offends us. We never owned black slaves. We didn't pass jim crow laws, we couldn't even vote until most of that was over.
Anonymous wrote:I’m convinced we could cure racism by putting black and Asian people on an island and letting them duke it out. Hispanic and black peoples don’t have a problem, white and Asian, Asian and Hispanic, black and white-it’s just these two groups together shrieking incessantly
No, black people just want Asian people to keep their names out of their mouths. Stop scapgoating us for everything while at the same time demanding that out history and impact on this country not be talked about.
Asian people just want white people to stop paying their moral debt to black people at the expense of asian people.
Nothing about your history offends us. We never owned black slaves. We didn't pass jim crow laws, we couldn't even vote until most of that was over.
Go away Asian troll.
You hijacked a thread that was about a URM attending a less diverse PWI.
I haven't read beyond the first page as this thread seems to have devolved into a tangential issue. But I think OP has a black DC attending Pomona, so I'll try to address that specific concern as a non-black Pomona parent.
First off, Pomona is great. All else aside, rest assured that your DC will get a great education with an abundance of resources, caring professors, and smart, interesting students.
Third, I believe the 5% from last year is an aberration due to the recent legal change. As noted elsewhere, Pomona usually has a much higher percentage and I'd be surprised if it weren't able to course correct after last year.
Anyhow, I sincerely hope your DC regains their enthusiasm. I am confident that they will. My DC chose Pomona over a couple Ivies, and there was at least a little second-guessing in the months follower DC's decision. I think that's normal. But it now seems like a distant memory and there's no looking back. Again, Pomona is great and I hope your DC will love it.
Anonymous wrote:Asian cultures tend to praise and glorify white attributes and skin, which is deeply problematic to Americans, but we have to accept that this is their culture. If they choose not to talk to black or Hispanic students, that might be a good thing for everyone
This is super racist right here
Racist? Talk to my Korean mother in law who I had to spend a year working through her own racism because she couldn’t handle her daughter marrying someone who isn’t Korean. Or the skin bleaching practices that are normalized? Or what about the very inequitable treatment of white people, including me, versus minorities in East Asian societies. It’s as racist as calling America a consumerist society is stereotyping. Not everyone babies every little thing minorities do and can see the obvious racism many Asian Americans hold.
Wait. So Asians glorify whites and are also racist against whites?
I have lived in several countries and America has the most racial issues but it's people are among the least racist.
Mono cultures don't seem racist because they are a mono culture but they're racist AF.
All those Western European countries thought they weren't racist until brown immigrants started moving in. Now they are electing Nazis.
Asian countries are hella racist too.
African tribalism crosses the line into genocide and eat crimes from time to time.
America is relatively mild when it comes to the racism.
Asians are not being "targeted" by OP. The issue is the Asian and White students will not want to be friends with and share in life with the non Asian or White students, so why would a non Asian or non White student subject themselves to that? What "Asians" have to understand is that you never want people talking about you, even in a netural way, otherwise you claim "Asian hate" but at the same time all over DCUM, "Asisans" have so much to say about black people, and even white people at times.
Most absurd assertion. Not in NYC anyway.
Come to California. Berkeley is insanely racially segregated. All asian groups basically everywhere that judge white students and especially other minority students. White students flock towards the greek life for their "community." It's pretty clear when these campuses are heavily segregated, and you really get to see how this generation operates. There are many other parts of the country where people are very very race-sensitive, and California is one of them.
Yes. I don't get this generation, as a Gen Xer. It is like they are turning back time. Or, did we increase immigration too fast in the past 20 to 30 years and there is not longer a sense of cohesion in this country at all?
Part of it is immigrant students who come from cultures where homogeneity is good and they prefer to stay with their cliques of international/their race students. Another part is higher ed becoming very diverse, potentially way too quickly and expecting the northeast boarding school generationally wealthy student to hang out with the rural, conservative queer kid is very unlikely to work in your favor. Diversity is great, but students will always find infrastructure and network in a way to stick to what they are used to and what they know.
Showing your true color. Xenophobia
...nothing about that is xenophobic. I'd stick with American students too if I were to go to college abroad.
Immigrants' kids are still Americans. Are you excluding them from your circle just because they are Asian immigrants' kids?
Oh my god you’re so dense. I’m specifically talking about Asian immigrant students, who are significant block of American higher ed
They aren’t a block.
Seriously, why are Americans so set on lumping more than half of the world’s population into one category?
Do you really think a Korean kid and a Sri Lankan kid see each other as members of some tribe together?
This isn’t unique to Asian people. That’s just how race works.
+1, this is a weird insistence by people on this forum that Asian people are so foreign to the rest of us that we wouldn’t understand that people from different countries…have different cultures and practices. Yes, we are aware. You aren’t special. Just be a person beyond your race.
You get it! We shouldn’t be thinking about how “diverse” we are in one race. Just treat people as people with respect.
+1 just be a person beyond your race. You can take pride in your heritage, acknowledge the wrongs and work on addressing current problems but you’re ultimately hurting and limiting yourself by making everything in life about race. Signed, minority parent.
when someone calls themselves a "minority" they mean Asian or Hispanic, just so you know. They float between being a "minority" when it is convenient or on the other hand part of a superior "family-oriented, education-oriented" culture when convenient.
This cannot be more racist! You are saying minority cannot be family-oriented, education-oriented?
Saying that “my culture is family-oriented” or “education-oriented” can sound like a benign expression of pride, but it often carries an unintended sting. When you frame these qualities as special to your own group, you implicitly invite comparison: if my culture is the one that cherishes family or schooling, what does that say about yours? The compliment to oneself doubles as a yardstick against which other communities can appear indifferent or deficient, even if that is not what the speaker intends. Because most societies prize kinship and learning in their own ways, labeling these values as uniquely ours comes across as a quiet form of ethnocentrism.
That sting is sharper in places like the United States, where “family-oriented” and “education-oriented” have long been coded into racial and immigration debates. Praising Asian Americans as especially studious, for example, props up the “model-minority” myth, which has historically been used to shame Black and Latino communities by suggesting they fall short through cultural flaws rather than structural barriers. Politicians who laud “hard-working, family-centered immigrants” often do so to single out certain nationalities for approval while casting others as less desirable. In these contexts, what sounds like a simple self-celebration actually reinforces old hierarchies.
This is the most Bizarre and twisted rubbish.
When someone says “my culture is family-oriented” or “education-oriented,” their immediate aim is often to explain what shaped their own attitudes and behaviors—nothing more. This is a descriptive claim, not a prescriptive one. In everyday conversation, people routinely name the earliest influences on their values: “I grew up in a community that always put family first,” or “Education was all my parents talked about.” If we immediately assume every such statement carries a hidden comparison or hierarchy, we risk discouraging honest self-description. Intent matters: most of the time people merely want to share where they come from, not measure others against that standard.
It’s possible to celebrate cultural strengths without implying that those strengths are absent elsewhere. For instance, saying “In my family, elders always gather every Sunday to share a meal” does not necessarily mean “Your family doesn’t.” In practice, everyone’s definition of “family-oriented” will look different. By framing it as “for us, this is especially important,” you can leave space for others to tell their own stories. In other words, you can express pride in your upbringing without forcing a zero-sum comparison.
You assumes that labeling any value as “special to my group” automatically positions other groups as deficient. But cultures are not monoliths, nor are all members of a culture identical. If you say “In my Korean American community, education is pitched as the surest path to stability,” you acknowledge a particular historical and social context—namely, the immigrant experience, Confucian legacies, or post-1965 university admissions patterns—without claiming that every other community lacks those same motivations. Being precise about why a community emphasizes schooling (for example, to overcome language barriers, or because of first-generation immigrant pressures) keeps the statement grounded in particular circumstances, rather than a global comparison.
+1000
Immigrants particularly Asian immigrants don’t have much left for support, family and education are the two things they can rely on to survive here.
This thread really reveals how much hate some hold against Asian Americans. We are not even allowed to say the most important things that matter to us.
What’s next? Are you going to take away those two things from Asian Americans? Are you going to send us to internment camps?
They think highlighting our reliance on family and education is a slight to their community, do they truly believe that families who’ve been in this country for generations don’t hold those same values? Of course they hold the same values. It’s unsettling to see people react as if we’re somehow “less American” or “too focused on grades.” Telling us our values are offensive or exclusionary, telling us to abandon them? Internment is a dark reminder of how quickly fear and prejudice can strip away rights. The hate beneath the surface is real.
Hate is far too strong of a word here. They do not hate and they have fair points which are dismissed by so many, especially on this board.
Most of this is driven by the behaviors and attitudes of the immigrants (particularly the tech focused immigrants) of the last 30 years. Their vocal advocacy for test based admissions systems like they grew up in along with their dismissal of the inequities of the US secondary education system and the lived experience challenges of some minorities causes pushback by others. Their failure to recognize that US schools value traits beyond test scores causes pushback by others. Their cries of 'anti-Asian racism' towards those who disagree causes pushback by others. Many in the community are pretty open in their opinions that certain groups "can't keep up" and do not deserve top educational opportunities. And this causes pushback by others.
I was ready to bow out of this thread, but since the discussion is still going, allow me add one more point.
When DCUM talks about “immigrants” or “tech-focused immigrants” as a single bloc, they treat individuals as interchangeable members of a group instead of recognizing their variety, it slips into stereotyping and racism. Within the Chinese-American community alone there is wide political and cultural diversity. For example, the relatively small number of Chinese Americans who take a hard-line MAGA stance tend to live in solidly red states such as Ohio or North Carolina, while many Chinese professionals in New York or California are comfortable with diversity, equity, and inclusion. Voting data bear this out: the majority of Asian-American voters in NYC or California, have backed Democratic candidates in recent elections. Geography shapes outlook far more than race does.
Regardless of politics, most these families still view standardized tests as one of the fairest measures of college readiness—not because they (at least not all) lack empathy for marginalized groups, but because they believe the overall academic rigor of the United States has slipped from its former peak drastically. Whether standardized testing should remain a requirement is up for debate. That said, most elite colleges have concluded that test scores are a useful indicator of academic readiness, and have reinstated test requirement. Unfortunately, DCUM crazies and racists responded in ways that are irrational—dismissing Asians as “not interesting” and disparaging their core values like being family-focused or education-focused. (Some of the most extreme posts were removed, so I can’t quote them anymore.) And we see Black students do not wish to befriend with Asian students as if they are Dalit.
I can see this conclusion if you just completely ignore the anti-black racism pervasive throughout the thread.
Anonymous wrote:Asian cultures tend to praise and glorify white attributes and skin, which is deeply problematic to Americans, but we have to accept that this is their culture. If they choose not to talk to black or Hispanic students, that might be a good thing for everyone
This is super racist right here
Racist? Talk to my Korean mother in law who I had to spend a year working through her own racism because she couldn’t handle her daughter marrying someone who isn’t Korean. Or the skin bleaching practices that are normalized? Or what about the very inequitable treatment of white people, including me, versus minorities in East Asian societies. It’s as racist as calling America a consumerist society is stereotyping. Not everyone babies every little thing minorities do and can see the obvious racism many Asian Americans hold.
Wait. So Asians glorify whites and are also racist against whites?
I have lived in several countries and America has the most racial issues but it's people are among the least racist.
Mono cultures don't seem racist because they are a mono culture but they're racist AF.
All those Western European countries thought they weren't racist until brown immigrants started moving in. Now they are electing Nazis.
Asian countries are hella racist too.
African tribalism crosses the line into genocide and eat crimes from time to time.
America is relatively mild when it comes to the racism.
Rascism is baked into Asian culture, it’s called blatant caste systems defined by colorism and it is disgraceful.
Asians are not being "targeted" by OP. The issue is the Asian and White students will not want to be friends with and share in life with the non Asian or White students, so why would a non Asian or non White student subject themselves to that? What "Asians" have to understand is that you never want people talking about you, even in a netural way, otherwise you claim "Asian hate" but at the same time all over DCUM, "Asisans" have so much to say about black people, and even white people at times.
Most absurd assertion. Not in NYC anyway.
Come to California. Berkeley is insanely racially segregated. All asian groups basically everywhere that judge white students and especially other minority students. White students flock towards the greek life for their "community." It's pretty clear when these campuses are heavily segregated, and you really get to see how this generation operates. There are many other parts of the country where people are very very race-sensitive, and California is one of them.
Asians are not being "targeted" by OP. The issue is the Asian and White students will not want to be friends with and share in life with the non Asian or White students, so why would a non Asian or non White student subject themselves to that? What "Asians" have to understand is that you never want people talking about you, even in a netural way, otherwise you claim "Asian hate" but at the same time all over DCUM, "Asisans" have so much to say about black people, and even white people at times.
Most absurd assertion. Not in NYC anyway.
Come to California. Berkeley is insanely racially segregated. All asian groups basically everywhere that judge white students and especially other minority students. White students flock towards the greek life for their "community." It's pretty clear when these campuses are heavily segregated, and you really get to see how this generation operates. There are many other parts of the country where people are very very race-sensitive, and California is one of them.
Yes. I don't get this generation, as a Gen Xer. It is like they are turning back time. Or, did we increase immigration too fast in the past 20 to 30 years and there is not longer a sense of cohesion in this country at all?
Part of it is immigrant students who come from cultures where homogeneity is good and they prefer to stay with their cliques of international/their race students. Another part is higher ed becoming very diverse, potentially way too quickly and expecting the northeast boarding school generationally wealthy student to hang out with the rural, conservative queer kid is very unlikely to work in your favor. Diversity is great, but students will always find infrastructure and network in a way to stick to what they are used to and what they know.
Showing your true color. Xenophobia
...nothing about that is xenophobic. I'd stick with American students too if I were to go to college abroad.
Immigrants' kids are still Americans. Are you excluding them from your circle just because they are Asian immigrants' kids?
Oh my god you’re so dense. I’m specifically talking about Asian immigrant students, who are significant block of American higher ed
They aren’t a block.
Seriously, why are Americans so set on lumping more than half of the world’s population into one category?
Do you really think a Korean kid and a Sri Lankan kid see each other as members of some tribe together?
This isn’t unique to Asian people. That’s just how race works.
+1, this is a weird insistence by people on this forum that Asian people are so foreign to the rest of us that we wouldn’t understand that people from different countries…have different cultures and practices. Yes, we are aware. You aren’t special. Just be a person beyond your race.
You get it! We shouldn’t be thinking about how “diverse” we are in one race. Just treat people as people with respect.
+1 just be a person beyond your race. You can take pride in your heritage, acknowledge the wrongs and work on addressing current problems but you’re ultimately hurting and limiting yourself by making everything in life about race. Signed, minority parent.
when someone calls themselves a "minority" they mean Asian or Hispanic, just so you know. They float between being a "minority" when it is convenient or on the other hand part of a superior "family-oriented, education-oriented" culture when convenient.
This cannot be more racist! You are saying minority cannot be family-oriented, education-oriented?
Saying that “my culture is family-oriented” or “education-oriented” can sound like a benign expression of pride, but it often carries an unintended sting. When you frame these qualities as special to your own group, you implicitly invite comparison: if my culture is the one that cherishes family or schooling, what does that say about yours? The compliment to oneself doubles as a yardstick against which other communities can appear indifferent or deficient, even if that is not what the speaker intends. Because most societies prize kinship and learning in their own ways, labeling these values as uniquely ours comes across as a quiet form of ethnocentrism.
That sting is sharper in places like the United States, where “family-oriented” and “education-oriented” have long been coded into racial and immigration debates. Praising Asian Americans as especially studious, for example, props up the “model-minority” myth, which has historically been used to shame Black and Latino communities by suggesting they fall short through cultural flaws rather than structural barriers. Politicians who laud “hard-working, family-centered immigrants” often do so to single out certain nationalities for approval while casting others as less desirable. In these contexts, what sounds like a simple self-celebration actually reinforces old hierarchies.
This is the most Bizarre and twisted rubbish.
When someone says “my culture is family-oriented” or “education-oriented,” their immediate aim is often to explain what shaped their own attitudes and behaviors—nothing more. This is a descriptive claim, not a prescriptive one. In everyday conversation, people routinely name the earliest influences on their values: “I grew up in a community that always put family first,” or “Education was all my parents talked about.” If we immediately assume every such statement carries a hidden comparison or hierarchy, we risk discouraging honest self-description. Intent matters: most of the time people merely want to share where they come from, not measure others against that standard.
It’s possible to celebrate cultural strengths without implying that those strengths are absent elsewhere. For instance, saying “In my family, elders always gather every Sunday to share a meal” does not necessarily mean “Your family doesn’t.” In practice, everyone’s definition of “family-oriented” will look different. By framing it as “for us, this is especially important,” you can leave space for others to tell their own stories. In other words, you can express pride in your upbringing without forcing a zero-sum comparison.
You assumes that labeling any value as “special to my group” automatically positions other groups as deficient. But cultures are not monoliths, nor are all members of a culture identical. If you say “In my Korean American community, education is pitched as the surest path to stability,” you acknowledge a particular historical and social context—namely, the immigrant experience, Confucian legacies, or post-1965 university admissions patterns—without claiming that every other community lacks those same motivations. Being precise about why a community emphasizes schooling (for example, to overcome language barriers, or because of first-generation immigrant pressures) keeps the statement grounded in particular circumstances, rather than a global comparison.
+1000
Immigrants particularly Asian immigrants don’t have much left for support, family and education are the two things they can rely on to survive here.
This thread really reveals how much hate some hold against Asian Americans. We are not even allowed to say the most important things that matter to us.
What’s next? Are you going to take away those two things from Asian Americans? Are you going to send us to internment camps?
They think highlighting our reliance on family and education is a slight to their community, do they truly believe that families who’ve been in this country for generations don’t hold those same values? Of course they hold the same values. It’s unsettling to see people react as if we’re somehow “less American” or “too focused on grades.” Telling us our values are offensive or exclusionary, telling us to abandon them? Internment is a dark reminder of how quickly fear and prejudice can strip away rights. The hate beneath the surface is real.
Hate is far too strong of a word here. They do not hate and they have fair points which are dismissed by so many, especially on this board.
Most of this is driven by the behaviors and attitudes of the immigrants (particularly the tech focused immigrants) of the last 30 years. Their vocal advocacy for test based admissions systems like they grew up in along with their dismissal of the inequities of the US secondary education system and the lived experience challenges of some minorities causes pushback by others. Their failure to recognize that US schools value traits beyond test scores causes pushback by others. Their cries of 'anti-Asian racism' towards those who disagree causes pushback by others. Many in the community are pretty open in their opinions that certain groups "can't keep up" and do not deserve top educational opportunities. And this causes pushback by others.
I was ready to bow out of this thread, but since the discussion is still going, allow me add one more point.
When DCUM talks about “immigrants” or “tech-focused immigrants” as a single bloc, they treat individuals as interchangeable members of a group instead of recognizing their variety, it slips into stereotyping and racism. Within the Chinese-American community alone there is wide political and cultural diversity. For example, the relatively small number of Chinese Americans who take a hard-line MAGA stance tend to live in solidly red states such as Ohio or North Carolina, while many Chinese professionals in New York or California are comfortable with diversity, equity, and inclusion. Voting data bear this out: the majority of Asian-American voters in NYC or California, have backed Democratic candidates in recent elections. Geography shapes outlook far more than race does.
Regardless of politics, most these families still view standardized tests as one of the fairest measures of college readiness—not because they (at least not all) lack empathy for marginalized groups, but because they believe the overall academic rigor of the United States has slipped from its former peak drastically. Whether standardized testing should remain a requirement is up for debate. That said, most elite colleges have concluded that test scores are a useful indicator of academic readiness, and have reinstated test requirement. Unfortunately, DCUM crazies and racists responded in ways that are irrational—dismissing Asians as “not interesting” and disparaging their core values like being family-focused or education-focused. (Some of the most extreme posts were removed, so I can’t quote them anymore.) And we see Black students do not wish to befriend with Asian students as if they are Dalit.
"because they believe the overall academic rigor of the United States has slipped from its former peak drastically." This is comical. They support testing because and only because they believe that it will favor their children. They could care less about the rigor at any school other than the ones that they so desperately want their children to attend.
I fully support testing but I also believe that it should be used in the context of a students opportunities. The stated belief by many in the Asian community that the only things that merits consideration for admission is GPA and test score is a narrow and inadequate view, one not shared by the general public at large nor the universities themselves.
Anonymous wrote:I haven't read beyond the first page as this thread seems to have devolved into a tangential issue. But I think OP has a black DC attending Pomona, so I'll try to address that specific concern as a non-black Pomona parent.
First off, Pomona is great. All else aside, rest assured that your DC will get a great education with an abundance of resources, caring professors, and smart, interesting students.
Third, I believe the 5% from last year is an aberration due to the recent legal change. As noted elsewhere, Pomona usually has a much higher percentage and I'd be surprised if it weren't able to course correct after last year.
Anyhow, I sincerely hope your DC regains their enthusiasm. I am confident that they will. My DC chose Pomona over a couple Ivies, and there was at least a little second-guessing in the months follower DC's decision. I think that's normal. But it now seems like a distant memory and there's no looking back. Again, Pomona is great and I hope your DC will love it.
+1. Black parent here of a HS student. I also noticed the decline of Black students for the most recent Pomona class and was disappointed as well. However, Pomona sent a rep to our school for the first time last fall, which leads me to believe that they're hoping to attract more Black and Brown kids.
Anonymous wrote:I haven't read beyond the first page as this thread seems to have devolved into a tangential issue. But I think OP has a black DC attending Pomona, so I'll try to address that specific concern as a non-black Pomona parent.
First off, Pomona is great. All else aside, rest assured that your DC will get a great education with an abundance of resources, caring professors, and smart, interesting students.
Third, I believe the 5% from last year is an aberration due to the recent legal change. As noted elsewhere, Pomona usually has a much higher percentage and I'd be surprised if it weren't able to course correct after last year.
Anyhow, I sincerely hope your DC regains their enthusiasm. I am confident that they will. My DC chose Pomona over a couple Ivies, and there was at least a little second-guessing in the months follower DC's decision. I think that's normal. But it now seems like a distant memory and there's no looking back. Again, Pomona is great and I hope your DC will love it.
+1. Black parent here of a HS student. I also noticed the decline of Black students for the most recent Pomona class and was disappointed as well. However, Pomona sent a rep to our school for the first time last fall, which leads me to believe that they're hoping to attract more Black and Brown kids.
Current Pomona Parent and the student body was livid! The BSU sent various letters to admission, faculty, and the president's office that this could not continue this way, and the school needs to pave the way for outreach; the BSU even hosted an event for local black students to learn about Pomona with the first gen low income scholars group. Faculty had multiple meetings with admin and even the BOT over the matter. It was a serious change to the community, and I believe Pomona is working hard to fix it, especially with the new Vice President.
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