Beyonce and Blu Ivy

[Anonymous]

Ok, maybe Cher's son. I'm not sure, but I do recall some sort of drama with his ex-wife? I understand the concern, but plenty of child performers grow up healthy and successful—think of people like Zendaya, Jodie Foster, or even the kids from Stranger Things. It comes down to the support system around them, and from what we’ve seen, Blue Ivy seems to have a pretty solid one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am neither right wing nor a bot but I don't think a 13 year old should be performing on stage in world tours.

If she came on for a few minutes like the younger one did - great. But to be part of the machine that is a full time performer on stage and integrated into the music scene at 13, I think it is too young.

There are too many child stars and young teen musicians who have been turned into working adults at a young age and the power and people around them corrupt them and disrupt their age appropriate development. No matter who her parents are, she is still 13. No matter how adult her body is, her brain is still 13.

+1 Thank you for your commonsense post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am neither right wing nor a bot but I don't think a 13 year old should be performing on stage in world tours.

If she came on for a few minutes like the younger one did - great. But to be part of the machine that is a full time performer on stage and integrated into the music scene at 13, I think it is too young.

There are too many child stars and young teen musicians who have been turned into working adults at a young age and the power and people around them corrupt them and disrupt their age appropriate development. No matter who her parents are, she is still 13. No matter how adult her body is, her brain is still 13.

+1 Thank you for your commonsense post.

So, where do you draw the line? Is it ok for a talented young athlete to perform at elite levels? In front of audiences?
Is it ok for a talented singer or musician to play with school groups, regional ensembles and perhaps religious programs— but not with their professional parents? What are the concerns here? What’s the magic ok age? And does that vary at all depending on things like the kid’s interests or skills or the level of supervision that can be provided?

I’m thinking of people like Taylor Swift, Nathan Chen and Michelle Kwan here — and wondering if you think their parents should have held them back from training and performing publicly for fear of disrupting their age appropriate development?

[Anonymous]

Pink and Cher were performing with their kids. Duet style. Blue Ivy had at least two solos where she was the show - the central performer with a team of back up dancers. Beyoncé wasn’t on stage with her.

I don’t think Taylor Swift or Michelle Kwan were doing world tours at 13 either? A quick google tells me Taylor Swift was 19/20 he first time she did a mini tour and Michelle Kwan first went to the Olympics at 16.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pink and Cher were performing with their kids. Duet style. Blue Ivy had at least two solos where she was the show - the central performer with a team of back up dancers. Beyoncé wasn’t on stage with her.

I don’t think Taylor Swift or Michelle Kwan were doing world tours at 13 either? A quick google tells me Taylor Swift was 19/20 he first time she did a mini tour and Michelle Kwan first went to the Olympics at 16.

So your issue is with kids of a certain age performing solos?

Michelle Kwan did quite a few competitions prior to the Olympics— on a national and international level. At 12, against the wishes of her coach, she passed a test that would let her compete at a senior level. So a very public career at a very young age, after intense preparation from early childhood. I know less about Taylor Swift, but I believe that she signed her first record contract at 15 or so, and had been performing and writing songs since 12 or 13, when her family moved near Nashville for Taylor’s career. Both had quite a bit of family support. And both performed solo, with national and international audiences.

I’m trying to tease out what the concerns are about Blue Ivy — that are somehow different from other young performers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pink and Cher were performing with their kids. Duet style. Blue Ivy had at least two solos where she was the show - the central performer with a team of back up dancers. Beyoncé wasn’t on stage with her.

I don’t think Taylor Swift or Michelle Kwan were doing world tours at 13 either? A quick google tells me Taylor Swift was 19/20 he first time she did a mini tour and Michelle Kwan first went to the Olympics at 16.

So your issue is with kids of a certain age performing solos?

Michelle Kwan did quite a few competitions prior to the Olympics— on a national and international level. At 12, against the wishes of her coach, she passed a test that would let her compete at a senior level. So a very public career at a very young age, after intense preparation from early childhood. I know less about Taylor Swift, but I believe that she signed her first record contract at 15 or so, and had been performing and writing songs since 12 or 13, when her family moved near Nashville for Taylor’s career. Both had quite a bit of family support. And both performed solo, with national and international audiences.

I’m trying to tease out what the concerns are about Blue Ivy — that are somehow different from other young performers.

I find it hard to believe you would compare Michelle Kwan's skating techniques to the gyrating moves of Beyonce and her daughter.

[Anonymous]

Beyonces kid doesn’t look comfortable and doesn’t look like she’s enjoying herself ni don’t see joy, I don’t see relaxation, I don’t see excitement.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Money people it's all about the money.

Bey is getting older daddy hasn't done much.

Time for next gen to support them.

Beyoncé and Jay Z are worth over a billion dollars. That is generational wealth. They don’t need Blue to start supporting their family as a 13 year old. This isn’t 1925.

Yes in this case I don't think it's for the money. Presumably the kids want to do it and also it gives them credits for their "resume," like being a singer on their recorded music.

Logistically though, I always wonder if they being paid as official performers just because my mind always goes to that aspect.

And Jay Z rode that gravy train. I am from NY and I know his old Girlfriend right before Beyonce. He was dating a nice African American women who was an Internal Auditor and Bank of Ireland of all places. Beyonce was a child basically but a cash cow he could mold at time. His old GF went on to work at Societe Generale as an Internal Auditor and on to a normal life. He did not want that, he had that.

So why suprised he is doing this.

She’s his cash cow trophy wife. That’s why. He was able to crossover to the mainstream thanks to his relationship with Beyonce. She loves him more than he loves her. She was 18 when they started dating in early 2000 and she was angry that her mommy and daddy kicked her friends out of the group. She was getting lots of heat back then for the Destinys child breakups and the favoritism obviously involved in her father managing the groups money and her mother doing the styling. She was a the parental project and Jay Z became yet another new parent.

Why would a 31 year old man talk on the phone for a year with an 18 year old girl crying about her mommy and daddy and friends?

[Anonymous]

I wonder if he will start to claim his kids born in the early 90s. They’re closer in age to Beyonce than he is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pink and Cher were performing with their kids. Duet style. Blue Ivy had at least two solos where she was the show - the central performer with a team of back up dancers. Beyoncé wasn’t on stage with her.

I don’t think Taylor Swift or Michelle Kwan were doing world tours at 13 either? A quick google tells me Taylor Swift was 19/20 he first time she did a mini tour and Michelle Kwan first went to the Olympics at 16.

So your issue is with kids of a certain age performing solos?

Michelle Kwan did quite a few competitions prior to the Olympics— on a national and international level. At 12, against the wishes of her coach, she passed a test that would let her compete at a senior level. So a very public career at a very young age, after intense preparation from early childhood. I know less about Taylor Swift, but I believe that she signed her first record contract at 15 or so, and had been performing and writing songs since 12 or 13, when her family moved near Nashville for Taylor’s career. Both had quite a bit of family support. And both performed solo, with national and international audiences.

I’m trying to tease out what the concerns are about Blue Ivy — that are somehow different from other young performers.

I find it hard to believe you would compare Michelle Kwan's skating techniques to the gyrating moves of Beyonce and her daughter.

+1,000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pink and Cher were performing with their kids. Duet style. Blue Ivy had at least two solos where she was the show - the central performer with a team of back up dancers. Beyoncé wasn’t on stage with her.

I don’t think Taylor Swift or Michelle Kwan were doing world tours at 13 either? A quick google tells me Taylor Swift was 19/20 he first time she did a mini tour and Michelle Kwan first went to the Olympics at 16.

So your issue is with kids of a certain age performing solos?

Michelle Kwan did quite a few competitions prior to the Olympics— on a national and international level. At 12, against the wishes of her coach, she passed a test that would let her compete at a senior level. So a very public career at a very young age, after intense preparation from early childhood. I know less about Taylor Swift, but I believe that she signed her first record contract at 15 or so, and had been performing and writing songs since 12 or 13, when her family moved near Nashville for Taylor’s career. Both had quite a bit of family support. And both performed solo, with national and international audiences.

I’m trying to tease out what the concerns are about Blue Ivy — that are somehow different from other young performers.

NP. Kwan and Swift were on stage due to their talent. Young skaters are also the norm. Blue Ivy is on stage due to her mother’s talent.

I didn’t find Blue’s involvement in the Renaissance tour inappropriate (also included a dance break) but she seems to be integrated into the entire show now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s great that mom and daughter have the same passion and get to perform together. What a bunch of bitter biddies you all are.

I just wonder if Blue has any friends her age. Does she do typical 13 yr old things with them? What she is doing is fun and cool, but it's not a normal-kid-experience. Does she have any normal kid experiences? Or are they all manufactured and over the top, like when Kylie Jenner's homeschooled kid wanted to ride a yellow school bus so the dad rented one and she got a spin around the gated community block. [/quo

Are these ppl so starved for fame they are already pushing their kid into the limelight? Talk about mortality issues. Gosh, if I had that much money as a parent, I’d be exposing my kid to so many different avenues, not just doing a rinse and repeat. The thing is, she has only known this performance lifestyle so you can’t really blame her if it is truly her choice

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pink and Cher were performing with their kids. Duet style. Blue Ivy had at least two solos where she was the show - the central performer with a team of back up dancers. Beyoncé wasn’t on stage with her.

I don’t think Taylor Swift or Michelle Kwan were doing world tours at 13 either? A quick google tells me Taylor Swift was 19/20 he first time she did a mini tour and Michelle Kwan first went to the Olympics at 16.

So your issue is with kids of a certain age performing solos?

Michelle Kwan did quite a few competitions prior to the Olympics— on a national and international level. At 12, against the wishes of her coach, she passed a test that would let her compete at a senior level. So a very public career at a very young age, after intense preparation from early childhood. I know less about Taylor Swift, but I believe that she signed her first record contract at 15 or so, and had been performing and writing songs since 12 or 13, when her family moved near Nashville for Taylor’s career. Both had quite a bit of family support. And both performed solo, with national and international audiences.

I’m trying to tease out what the concerns are about Blue Ivy — that are somehow different from other young performers.

I find it hard to believe you would compare Michelle Kwan's skating techniques to the gyrating moves of Beyonce and her daughter.

There are probably quite a few things that you find hard to believe. Shrug.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pink and Cher were performing with their kids. Duet style. Blue Ivy had at least two solos where she was the show - the central performer with a team of back up dancers. Beyoncé wasn’t on stage with her.

I don’t think Taylor Swift or Michelle Kwan were doing world tours at 13 either? A quick google tells me Taylor Swift was 19/20 he first time she did a mini tour and Michelle Kwan first went to the Olympics at 16.

So your issue is with kids of a certain age performing solos?

Michelle Kwan did quite a few competitions prior to the Olympics— on a national and international level. At 12, against the wishes of her coach, she passed a test that would let her compete at a senior level. So a very public career at a very young age, after intense preparation from early childhood. I know less about Taylor Swift, but I believe that she signed her first record contract at 15 or so, and had been performing and writing songs since 12 or 13, when her family moved near Nashville for Taylor’s career. Both had quite a bit of family support. And both performed solo, with national and international audiences.

I’m trying to tease out what the concerns are about Blue Ivy — that are somehow different from other young performers.

NP. Kwan and Swift were on stage due to their talent.Young skaters are also the norm. Blue Ivy is on stage due to her mother’s talent.

I didn’t find Blue’s involvement in the Renaissance tour inappropriate (also included a dance break) but she seems to be integrated into the entire show now.

+1 this exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pink and Cher were performing with their kids. Duet style. Blue Ivy had at least two solos where she was the show - the central performer with a team of back up dancers. Beyoncé wasn’t on stage with her.

I don’t think Taylor Swift or Michelle Kwan were doing world tours at 13 either? A quick google tells me Taylor Swift was 19/20 he first time she did a mini tour and Michelle Kwan first went to the Olympics at 16.

So your issue is with kids of a certain age performing solos?

Michelle Kwan did quite a few competitions prior to the Olympics— on a national and international level. At 12, against the wishes of her coach, she passed a test that would let her compete at a senior level. So a very public career at a very young age, after intense preparation from early childhood. I know less about Taylor Swift, but I believe that she signed her first record contract at 15 or so, and had been performing and writing songs since 12 or 13, when her family moved near Nashville for Taylor’s career. Both had quite a bit of family support. And both performed solo, with national and international audiences.

I’m trying to tease out what the concerns are about Blue Ivy — that are somehow different from other young performers.

I find it hard to believe you would compare Michelle Kwan's skating techniques to the gyrating moves of Beyonce and her daughter.

+1,000

+1 no comparison