Beyonce and Blu Ivy

[Anonymous]

I'd be really annoyed if I paid to see Beyonce and had to see Blue perform. I don't want to see or hear her. Keep her at home. I'd definitely use that time to go use the bathroom or grab some drinks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pink and Cher were performing with their kids. Duet style. Blue Ivy had at least two solos where she was the show - the central performer with a team of back up dancers. Beyoncé wasn’t on stage with her.

I don’t think Taylor Swift or Michelle Kwan were doing world tours at 13 either? A quick google tells me Taylor Swift was 19/20 he first time she did a mini tour and Michelle Kwan first went to the Olympics at 16.

So your issue is with kids of a certain age performing solos?

Michelle Kwan did quite a few competitions prior to the Olympics— on a national and international level. At 12, against the wishes of her coach, she passed a test that would let her compete at a senior level. So a very public career at a very young age, after intense preparation from early childhood. I know less about Taylor Swift, but I believe that she signed her first record contract at 15 or so, and had been performing and writing songs since 12 or 13, when her family moved near Nashville for Taylor’s career. Both had quite a bit of family support. And both performed solo, with national and international audiences.

I’m trying to tease out what the concerns are about Blue Ivy — that are somehow different from other young performers.

NP. Kwan and Swift were on stage due to their talent. Young skaters are also the norm. Blue Ivy is on stage due to her mother’s talent.

I didn’t find Blue’s involvement in the Renaissance tour inappropriate (also included a dance break) but she seems to be integrated into the entire show now.

Olympic ice skating and gymnastics have both introduced a minimum age for competitors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pink and Cher were performing with their kids. Duet style. Blue Ivy had at least two solos where she was the show - the central performer with a team of back up dancers. Beyoncé wasn’t on stage with her.

I don’t think Taylor Swift or Michelle Kwan were doing world tours at 13 either? A quick google tells me Taylor Swift was 19/20 he first time she did a mini tour and Michelle Kwan first went to the Olympics at 16.

So your issue is with kids of a certain age performing solos?

Michelle Kwan did quite a few competitions prior to the Olympics— on a national and international level. At 12, against the wishes of her coach, she passed a test that would let her compete at a senior level. So a very public career at a very young age, after intense preparation from early childhood. I know less about Taylor Swift, but I believe that she signed her first record contract at 15 or so, and had been performing and writing songs since 12 or 13, when her family moved near Nashville for Taylor’s career. Both had quite a bit of family support. And both performed solo, with national and international audiences.

I’m trying to tease out what the concerns are about Blue Ivy — that are somehow different from other young performers.

NP. Kwan and Swift were on stage due to their talent. Young skaters are also the norm. Blue Ivy is on stage due to her mother’s talent.

I didn’t find Blue’s involvement in the Renaissance tour inappropriate (also included a dance break) but she seems to be integrated into the entire show now.

Olympic ice skating and gymnastics have both introduced a minimum age for competitors.

Because their performances are complex and can be dangerous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pink and Cher were performing with their kids. Duet style. Blue Ivy had at least two solos where she was the show - the central performer with a team of back up dancers. Beyoncé wasn’t on stage with her.

I don’t think Taylor Swift or Michelle Kwan were doing world tours at 13 either? A quick google tells me Taylor Swift was 19/20 he first time she did a mini tour and Michelle Kwan first went to the Olympics at 16.

So your issue is with kids of a certain age performing solos?

Michelle Kwan did quite a few competitions prior to the Olympics— on a national and international level. At 12, against the wishes of her coach, she passed a test that would let her compete at a senior level. So a very public career at a very young age, after intense preparation from early childhood. I know less about Taylor Swift, but I believe that she signed her first record contract at 15 or so, and had been performing and writing songs since 12 or 13, when her family moved near Nashville for Taylor’s career. Both had quite a bit of family support. And both performed solo, with national and international audiences.

I’m trying to tease out what the concerns are about Blue Ivy — that are somehow different from other young performers.

NP. Kwan and Swift were on stage due to their talent. Young skaters are also the norm. Blue Ivy is on stage due to her mother’s talent.

I didn’t find Blue’s involvement in the Renaissance tour inappropriate (also included a dance break) but she seems to be integrated into the entire show now.

Olympic ice skating and gymnastics have both introduced a minimum age for competitors.

Because their performances are complex and can be dangerous.

It isn't about danger at all. If you read the explanations for the minimum age, it has to do with ensuring a more natural physical and mental development for the athletes. Before many were being kept prepubertal as puberty can add weight and height and make performance difficult. It was also about pressure and protecting their mental wellbeing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am neither right wing nor a bot but I don't think a 13 year old should be performing on stage in world tours.

If she came on for a few minutes like the younger one did - great. But to be part of the machine that is a full time performer on stage and integrated into the music scene at 13, I think it is too young.

There are too many child stars and young teen musicians who have been turned into working adults at a young age and the power and people around them corrupt them and disrupt their age appropriate development. No matter who her parents are, she is still 13. No matter how adult her body is, her brain is still 13.

I disagree with you completely. Her family is not like yours and nothing is going to make it be like yours. She is not going to be working at Taco Bell during the summer and hanging out at the mall like your kids because she can't. The willful ignorance of your posts is so annoying. She would never be safe in these normal spaces because she is already a celebrity because of her parents. The people who aren't real about this are the ones who f up their kids.

She isn't being harmed by performing on stage at 13. Her family is in the entertainment business and she will be to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am neither right wing nor a bot but I don't think a 13 year old should be performing on stage in world tours.

If she came on for a few minutes like the younger one did - great. But to be part of the machine that is a full time performer on stage and integrated into the music scene at 13, I think it is too young.

There are too many child stars and young teen musicians who have been turned into working adults at a young age and the power and people around them corrupt them and disrupt their age appropriate development. No matter who her parents are, she is still 13. No matter how adult her body is, her brain is still 13.

I disagree with you completely. Her family is not like yours and nothing is going to make it be like yours. She is not going to be working at Taco Bell during the summer and hanging out at the mall like your kids because she can't. The willful ignorance of your posts is so annoying. She would never be safe in these normal spaces because she is already a celebrity because of her parents. The people who aren't real about this are the ones who f up their kids.

She isn't being harmed by performing on stage at 13. Her family is in the entertainment business and she will be to.

You can keep trying to make it all seem like harmless, fun dancing on a stage all day long. Many in the music/entertainment business justify the sexualization of women at a young age. Anything goes to make money. They turn a blind eye to the outfits, explicit song lyrics, and sexual-like gyrations in front of millions as an art form. The rest of us are perfectly capable of seeing with our own eyes and also recognizing that this girl just turned 13 less than six months ago.

[Anonymous]

Beyonce isn't educated and lived in music industry from privileged perch under JZ's supervision so I don't know why would anyone expect her to make wise parental decisions.

[Anonymous]

Also her own parents felt it was okay to pursue musical career and commit to an older man with questionable character instead of pursuing education or finding a suitable partner.

[Anonymous]

All of which miraculously turned out well for her so there is that.

[Anonymous]

Also who would touch daughter of two billionaires with intense security and powerful contacts.

[Anonymous]

With their resources and contacts, she gets great opportunities to achieve fame and make money for doing barely average and she is under family supervision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am neither right wing nor a bot but I don't think a 13 year old should be performing on stage in world tours.

If she came on for a few minutes like the younger one did - great. But to be part of the machine that is a full time performer on stage and integrated into the music scene at 13, I think it is too young.

There are too many child stars and young teen musicians who have been turned into working adults at a young age and the power and people around them corrupt them and disrupt their age appropriate development. No matter who her parents are, she is still 13. No matter how adult her body is, her brain is still 13.

I disagree with you completely. Her family is not like yours and nothing is going to make it be like yours. She is not going to be working at Taco Bell during the summer and hanging out at the mall like your kids because she can't. The willful ignorance of your posts is so annoying. She would never be safe in these normal spaces because she is already a celebrity because of her parents. The people who aren't real about this are the ones who f up their kids.

She isn't being harmed by performing on stage at 13. Her family is in the entertainment business and she will be to.

I'm curious if Blu actually wants to do this or does she think she need to based off her parents careers. You're going off the deep end here with your implications that you think we believe she should be workint at Taco Bell. The thinking is that she should have her nose in a book and at school where most teenagers are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am neither right wing nor a bot but I don't think a 13 year old should be performing on stage in world tours.

If she came on for a few minutes like the younger one did - great. But to be part of the machine that is a full time performer on stage and integrated into the music scene at 13, I think it is too young.

There are too many child stars and young teen musicians who have been turned into working adults at a young age and the power and people around them corrupt them and disrupt their age appropriate development. No matter who her parents are, she is still 13. No matter how adult her body is, her brain is still 13.

I disagree with you completely. Her family is not like yours and nothing is going to make it be like yours. She is not going to be working at Taco Bell during the summer and hanging out at the mall like your kids because she can't. The willful ignorance of your posts is so annoying. She would never be safe in these normal spaces because she is already a celebrity because of her parents. The people who aren't real about this are the ones who f up their kids.

She isn't being harmed by performing on stage at 13. Her family is in the entertainment business and she will be to.

You are delusional! And flat out wrong. No one is saying she should work at Taco Bell or roam the mall. But she absolutely should not be gyrating and working on stage at age 13.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am neither right wing nor a bot but I don't think a 13 year old should be performing on stage in world tours.

If she came on for a few minutes like the younger one did - great. But to be part of the machine that is a full time performer on stage and integrated into the music scene at 13, I think it is too young.

There are too many child stars and young teen musicians who have been turned into working adults at a young age and the power and people around them corrupt them and disrupt their age appropriate development. No matter who her parents are, she is still 13. No matter how adult her body is, her brain is still 13.

I disagree with you completely. Her family is not like yours and nothing is going to make it be like yours. She is not going to be working at Taco Bell during the summer and hanging out at the mall like your kids because she can't. The willful ignorance of your posts is so annoying. She would never be safe in these normal spaces because she is already a celebrity because of her parents. The people who aren't real about this are the ones who f up their kids.

She isn't being harmed by performing on stage at 13. Her family is in the entertainment business and she will be to.

I'm curious if Blu actually wants to do this or does she think she need to based off her parents careers. You're going off the deep end here with your implications that you think we believe she should be workint at Taco Bell. The thinking is that she should have her nose in a book and at school where most teenagers are.

It sounds like Blue is not being pressured into doing anything. Starts at :50

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pink and Cher were performing with their kids. Duet style. Blue Ivy had at least two solos where she was the show - the central performer with a team of back up dancers. Beyoncé wasn’t on stage with her.

I don’t think Taylor Swift or Michelle Kwan were doing world tours at 13 either? A quick google tells me Taylor Swift was 19/20 he first time she did a mini tour and Michelle Kwan first went to the Olympics at 16.

So your issue is with kids of a certain age performing solos?

Michelle Kwan did quite a few competitions prior to the Olympics— on a national and international level. At 12, against the wishes of her coach, she passed a test that would let her compete at a senior level. So a very public career at a very young age, after intense preparation from early childhood. I know less about Taylor Swift, but I believe that she signed her first record contract at 15 or so, and had been performing and writing songs since 12 or 13, when her family moved near Nashville for Taylor’s career. Both had quite a bit of family support. And both performed solo, with national and international audiences.

I’m trying to tease out what the concerns are about Blue Ivy — that are somehow different from other young performers.

NP. Kwan and Swift were on stage due to their talent. Young skaters are also the norm. Blue Ivy is on stage due to her mother’s talent.

I didn’t find Blue’s involvement in the Renaissance tour inappropriate (also included a dance break) but she seems to be integrated into the entire show now.

Olympic ice skating and gymnastics have both introduced a minimum age for competitors.

Because their performances are complex and can be dangerous.

It isn't about danger at all. If you read the explanations for the minimum age, it has to do with ensuring a more natural physical and mental development for the athletes. Before many were being kept prepubertal as puberty can add weight and height and make performance difficult. It was also about pressure and protecting their mental wellbeing.

I think this is apples and oranges. Blue's mental pressure is nothing like that of an Olympic athlete who trains year-round, from a very young age.