How many minor transitions do you know ow

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Anonymous wrote:Just wanted to say that I posted earlier about a young trans girl I know, but I only know because her mom is one of my best friends. She transitioned before kindergarten, so none of her friends, teachers, etc. know that she was born a boy. Virginia allows gender to be changed on a birth certificate and her parents have done that.

Just to say, you may know transgender children without being aware.

How can a 4 or 5 year old consent to something so life changing and irreversible? There are many studies which show a vast majority of gender non conforming kids with gender dysphoria outgrow it if allowed to go through puberty. Many of those kids grow up to be gay.

Why be gay, when you can just hate yourself? 🤷

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Anonymous wrote:Just wanted to say that I posted earlier about a young trans girl I know, but I only know because her mom is one of my best friends. She transitioned before kindergarten, so none of her friends, teachers, etc. know that she was born a boy. Virginia allows gender to be changed on a birth certificate and her parents have done that.

Just to say, you may know transgender children without being aware.

How can a 4 or 5 year old consent to something so life changing and irreversible? There are many studies which show a vast majority of gender non conforming kids with gender dysphoria outgrow it if allowed to go through puberty. Many of those kids grow up to be gay.

This is likely the kid was born with both ovaries and the biological possibility err on the side of female.

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Anonymous wrote:We live in Florida. Run in fairly progressive circles and son attends a gifted school. But am aware we are surrounded by more conservative people. I’m aware of a few kids at my son’s school, but don’t know the details. Not surprising at a gifted school, where parents tend to be higher income, progressive, and lots of quirky kids with coexisting adhd, asd, etc and all the other things that are increased comorbidity with high iq.

But I’m originally from the Ne and it is astounding how much more I hear about it up there. Kids at ds sleepaway camp in the north, several of our friends with kids socially trans, and my mom laughs that her book club of six women, she is the only one without a trans grandkid. True story. Our ages are such that we’re only hearing about the kids in Es through Hs, so we’re only talking about kids who are socially transitioning. And definitely see lots trans back. But it is fascinating the difference in what we see up north vs our similarly progressive circles down south, where I’d guess the larger societal expectations beyond your immediate circles are playing a role.

Sorry, this is a tangent. I’m curious— SRQ? Pine View? Asking because I taught there years ago and the quirk was real. I loved it.

The acceptance those kids offered each other was inspiring, especially the ones who stayed through high school. I hope it’s still like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just wanted to say that I posted earlier about a young trans girl I know, but I only know because her mom is one of my best friends. She transitioned before kindergarten, so none of her friends, teachers, etc. know that she was born a boy. Virginia allows gender to be changed on a birth certificate and her parents have done that.

Just to say, you may know transgender children without being aware.

How can a 4 or 5 year old consent to something so life changing and irreversible? There are many studies which show a vast majority of gender non conforming kids with gender dysphoria outgrow it if allowed to go through puberty. Many of those kids grow up to be gay.

That’s not true but calm down. The only surgical intervention that’s happening at that age is with someone born intersex. That’s pretty controversial in itself and it’s totally separate from people who are trans. You may have gotten inaccurate information about a kid who is socially transitioning.

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Anonymous wrote:Our family probably knows 10 kids, but our kids go to a liberal independent school. I wonder why there are so many more female-to-male transitions vs. the other way around. That's always bothered me.

I think the reason is obvious. I think I would have been susceptible to this as a child, so I'm glad this "option" wasn't available. I've had a double mastectomy and am on hormone therapy due to cancer, and I would be opposed to allowing my child to do it. My friend has a FTM trans child and I know she'd like to get the child into surgery. But these hormone blockers and surgeries are very serious and cause a lifetime of issues. Should be avoided if at all possible.

Says YOU, N of 1

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I know one MtF and one FtM.

Both unfortunately seem to have a lot of mental health issues, both prior to and after the transition, but on a positive note, they seem much happier now (I think).

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5 female to male, 1 male to female

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Anonymous wrote:So we are cleaning up holiday cards and realize I know of 4 trans boys.

So we know 4 families who had a girl transition to a boy.

I guess I can understand somewhat about the national attention, if there is really that high number. Does everyone know several families with tran kids?

I have no opinion. I’m a little indifferent to the whole thing; I feel in most ways men and women should have similar options though I know sports is a 3rd rail and shared locker rooms. Outside that, it seems pretty innocuous.

Is this GDS?

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Anonymous wrote:Who is paying for the adolescent' surgeries? Is it covered by insurance, or the family pays cash?

There are very few adolescent surgeries fyi. There were 2 bottom surgeries on minors last year, and overwhelmingly the surgeries that do occur are mtf breast reduction.

I realize this. However, PPs wrote about 2 top surgeries on young girls that they personally know of, so I am asking about these.
Ultimately my question again goes to demographics. All this business is expensive and (probably) not covered by insurance. I can see a wealthy family indulging a child. What happens to a poor child that has similar inclinations?

Transitioning is expensive. A lot of clinics have sliding scales based on need. Insurance covered DS’s treatment, from therapy to top surgery.

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Anonymous wrote:I know one MtF and one FtM.

Both unfortunately seem to have a lot of mental health issues, both prior to and after the transition, but on a positive note, they seem much happier now (I think).

The mental health issues are a common thread for sure. There is a student at my daughter’s high school who changes their name and pronouns regularly (at least once per month) and gets very upset if classmates call them the previous month’s name/pronoun. I’m all for acceptance but pick something and stick with it, or at least understand why people can’t keep up.

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I know 3 female to male young kids and 1 female nonbinary. At least 2 are on the spectrum albeit the very mild side (I only know because the parents told me).

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Anonymous wrote:Mayo Clinic:

Are the changes permanent?
GnRH analogues don't cause permanent physical changes. Instead, they pause puberty. That offers a chance to explore gender identity. It also gives youth and their families time to plan for the psychological, medical, developmental, social and legal issues that may lie ahead..

When a person stops taking GnRH analogues, puberty starts again

NIH funded study:

A question that arises in the course of transgender care is whether GnRHa therapy has long-term adverse medical consequences, including effects on bone health. Over half of an individual’s bone density is acquired during adolescence, and transgender youth assigned male at birth are known to be at higher risk for low bone density even before GnRHa therapy.7 Understanding whether GnRHa use impacts fracture risk will be the critical long-term question that must be answered in future studies. In pediatrics, we are often left needing to weigh risks versus benefits, with limited available evidence, and needing to prescribe medications off-label.

(I wonder how long before they purge NIH library of any research not in line with the administration)

Everyone needs to re-read PP’s post. It is a comparison.

The Mayo Clinic is failing to follow the science. “Puberty blockers” are not harmless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know one MtF and one FtM.

Both unfortunately seem to have a lot of mental health issues, both prior to and after the transition, but on a positive note, they seem much happier now (I think).

The mental health issues are a common thread for sure. There is a student at my daughter’s high school who changes their name and pronouns regularly (at least once per month) and gets very upset if classmates call them the previous month’s name/pronoun. I’m all for acceptance but pick something and stick with it, or at least understand why people can’t keep up.

people really do not want to talk about the mental health/developmental/trauma aspect of this. there are many accounts from detransitioners that make clear that they had serious mental health or trauma issues that presented as a focus on gender as a solution. On the flip side, the advocates present transitioning as a *treatment* for mental health issues - which is not at all conclusively supported by any data. those of us with kids with mental health issues sure wish that the issues could be resolved by just changing our child’s identity. While LGBT kids are more at risk of mental health issues especially with unsupportive parents, it does not follow that all mental health conditions are cured or even improved by transition.

It is also fairly well established that kids with autism are disproportionately included as trans. I have a spectrumy kid and the truth is that these kids see everything differently because they tend not to accept or understand the social norms imposed externally. It’s very natural with the way their brains work that they think literally about gender and decide “well since I don’t FEEL or look female the way I guess I am supposed to, and I like short hair, I must be male.” So it’s absolutely incumbent on grownups (especially mental health professionals!) to spend a long time teaching these kids that you can be a girl who doesn’t feel “girly” or a boy who’s not totally masculine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We live in Florida. Run in fairly progressive circles and son attends a gifted school. But am aware we are surrounded by more conservative people. I’m aware of a few kids at my son’s school, but don’t know the details. Not surprising at a gifted school, where parents tend to be higher income, progressive, and lots of quirky kids with coexisting adhd, asd, etc and all the other things that are increased comorbidity with high iq.

But I’m originally from the Ne and it is astounding how much more I hear about it up there. Kids at ds sleepaway camp in the north, several of our friends with kids socially trans, and my mom laughs that her book club of six women, she is the only one without a trans grandkid. True story. Our ages are such that we’re only hearing about the kids in Es through Hs, so we’re only talking about kids who are socially transitioning. And definitely see lots trans back. But it is fascinating the difference in what we see up north vs our similarly progressive circles down south, where I’d guess the larger societal expectations beyond your immediate circles are playing a role.

Sorry, this is a tangent. I’m curious— SRQ? Pine View? Asking because I taught there years ago and the quirk was real. I loved it.

The acceptance those kids offered each other was inspiring, especially the ones who stayed through high school. I hope it’s still like that.

Yup! Still like that. So many quirky kids (ASD etc), and they legitimately don't seem to care. And the parents there who are republicans (lots of them) seem to be socially progressive on these types of issues, for the most part.