How many minor transitions do you know ow

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Who is paying for the adolescent' surgeries? Is it covered by insurance, or the family pays cash?

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Anonymous wrote:Who is paying for the adolescent' surgeries? Is it covered by insurance, or the family pays cash?

There are very few adolescent surgeries fyi. There were 2 bottom surgeries on minors last year, and overwhelmingly the surgeries that do occur are mtf breast reduction.

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Anonymous wrote:None in our circles. Which says a lot. You’d think it would be across circles but it is definitely not.

+1.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can’t they just be effeminate males or more masculine females? Wear what you want, do the activities you want? Date who you want? What causes the leap from this to trans?

This is what I don’t understand. Its as if kids are taught you don’t fit very masculine boy or very feminine girl, then maybe you must be non binary or switch genders.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve known several, but it’s because DS is trans. When he was transitioning, he was involved in a lot of therapy, medical appointments, and support/social groups. We got to know other families going through the process.

I don’t know of any kids who detransitioned. They all seemed to understand what they were asking for, and all of them had reached puberty. I do know a few parents who would love for their kids to detransition (regardless of the kid’s feelings) and would try to limit others’ access to trans medical care based on their own issues. They felt like it was a fad and their kid fell victim to that, causing anxiety and depression as well as brainwashing them into transitioning. The parents seemed to be going along with some level of medical care so they could say they’re being supportive (gender related care was all at the same place where we were so it wouldn’t be obvious if the kids were seeing a therapist or endocrinologist). In the meantime, their kids’ depression and anxiety were increasing because the kids knew their parents didn’t accept them and clearly thought it was a phase. Most of the other families seemed happy and normal.

now that I have a 12 year old, I just cannot fathom people who believe 12 year olds actually understand fully what they are doing with something this serious. I can believe a 12 year old has thoughts and feelings about gender and sex, but not that they have thought through such a decision like this.

Oh now that you have a 12 year old you're an expert on trans issues.

Got it.

Just be grateful this is not something your child has struggled with since the first grade (like mine has).

Just be thankful your family hasn't spent thousands of dollars on therapy and mental health treatment over many years to work through your child's gender issues.

Just be glad you didn't have to go to the ER when your child attempted suicide after years of despair.

And maybe try humility and a little less smugness.

Very few of us trans parents want to be here. We're here because we know our kids and want them to make it to adulthood.

A little grace goes a long way.

my 12 year old actually is playing around with pronouns. So no, I don’t think the vast majority of 12 year olds who suddenly think it’s interesting to be they/them actually have any capacity to say they want to change their permanently.

Your kid’s situation sounds different and frankly has mental health issues mixed in that are not clearly attributable to gender identity.

Just to be clear, you're allowing that?

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve known several, but it’s because DS is trans. When he was transitioning, he was involved in a lot of therapy, medical appointments, and support/social groups. We got to know other families going through the process.

I don’t know of any kids who detransitioned. They all seemed to understand what they were asking for, and all of them had reached puberty. I do know a few parents who would love for their kids to detransition (regardless of the kid’s feelings) and would try to limit others’ access to trans medical care based on their own issues. They felt like it was a fad and their kid fell victim to that, causing anxiety and depression as well as brainwashing them into transitioning. The parents seemed to be going along with some level of medical care so they could say they’re being supportive (gender related care was all at the same place where we were so it wouldn’t be obvious if the kids were seeing a therapist or endocrinologist). In the meantime, their kids’ depression and anxiety were increasing because the kids knew their parents didn’t accept them and clearly thought it was a phase. Most of the other families seemed happy and normal.

now that I have a 12 year old, I just cannot fathom people who believe 12 year olds actually understand fully what they are doing with something this serious. I can believe a 12 year old has thoughts and feelings about gender and sex, but not that they have thought through such a decision like this.

Oh now that you have a 12 year old you're an expert on trans issues.

Got it.

Just be grateful this is not something your child has struggled with since the first grade (like mine has).

Just be thankful your family hasn't spent thousands of dollars on therapy and mental health treatment over many years to work through your child's gender issues.

Just be glad you didn't have to go to the ER when your child attempted suicide after years of despair.

And maybe try humility and a little less smugness.

Very few of us trans parents want to be here. We're here because we know our kids and want them to make it to adulthood.

A little grace goes a long way.

my 12 year old actually is playing around with pronouns. So no, I don’t think the vast majority of 12 year olds who suddenly think it’s interesting to be they/them actually have any capacity to say they want to change their permanently.

Your kid’s situation sounds different and frankly has mental health issues mixed in that are not clearly attributable to gender identity.

Just to be clear, you're allowing that?

no, I’m pretty much ignoring it at this point. there’s nothing for me to allow or disallow. I reinforce that boys and girls are free to like what they like without being a different gender.

[Anonymous]

One boy to girl, but still young enough that no hormones are involved yet. 3 kids who identify as non-binary. 1 I think will eventually transition. 1 I’m not sure. I think it’s the shock value and they (formerly she) will change her mind.

[Anonymous]

^^ In no case is there any ulterior motive. No parents are activists. No kids play sports at a level where it would matter; the best athlete, the b to g actually plays in a league that’s 95% boys.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can’t they just be effeminate males or more masculine females? Wear what you want, do the activities you want? Date who you want? What causes the leap from this to trans?

social contagion.

but like someone posted above, what or who is driving the social contagion? where did it originate?

Hm, whatever could it be that is the root that is driving this? It is a real mystery.




https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22005209/
The social contagion is aimed at vulnerable teens. Why are autogynephiliac men (if that is what you are saying ) causing a social contagion with hopes of causing majority white teen girls (with autism and mental health disorders) to be trans?

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Anonymous wrote:Our family probably knows 10 kids, but our kids go to a liberal independent school. I wonder why there are so many more female-to-male transitions vs. the other way around. That's always bothered me.

I get the appeal of being a young man, you have more freedom and respect and less criticism. But it’s not worth it to go against Mother Nature engineering work at current medical advancement (or lack of).

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve known several, but it’s because DS is trans. When he was transitioning, he was involved in a lot of therapy, medical appointments, and support/social groups. We got to know other families going through the process.

I don’t know of any kids who detransitioned. They all seemed to understand what they were asking for, and all of them had reached puberty. I do know a few parents who would love for their kids to detransition (regardless of the kid’s feelings) and would try to limit others’ access to trans medical care based on their own issues. They felt like it was a fad and their kid fell victim to that, causing anxiety and depression as well as brainwashing them into transitioning. The parents seemed to be going along with some level of medical care so they could say they’re being supportive (gender related care was all at the same place where we were so it wouldn’t be obvious if the kids were seeing a therapist or endocrinologist). In the meantime, their kids’ depression and anxiety were increasing because the kids knew their parents didn’t accept them and clearly thought it was a phase. Most of the other families seemed happy and normal.

now that I have a 12 year old, I just cannot fathom people who believe 12 year olds actually understand fully what they are doing with something this serious. I can believe a 12 year old has thoughts and feelings about gender and sex, but not that they have thought through such a decision like this.

Oh now that you have a 12 year old you're an expert on trans issues.

Got it.

Just be grateful this is not something your child has struggled with since the first grade (like mine has).

Just be thankful your family hasn't spent thousands of dollars on therapy and mental health treatment over many years to work through your child's gender issues.

Just be glad you didn't have to go to the ER when your child attempted suicide after years of despair.

And maybe try humility and a little less smugness.

Very few of us trans parents want to be here. We're here because we know our kids and want them to make it to adulthood.

A little grace goes a long way.

my 12 year old actually is playing around with pronouns. So no, I don’t think the vast majority of 12 year olds who suddenly think it’s interesting to be they/them actually have any capacity to say they want to change their permanently.

Your kid’s situation sounds different and frankly has mental health issues mixed in that are not clearly attributable to gender identity.

Just to be clear, you're allowing that?

Omg stop. You don’t have to micromanage everything

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can’t they just be effeminate males or more masculine females? Wear what you want, do the activities you want? Date who you want? What causes the leap from this to trans?

social contagion.

but like someone posted above, what or who is driving the social contagion? where did it originate?

This is an interesting read on the topic and the money behind it.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/billionaire-family-pushing-synthetic-sex-identities-ssi-pritzkers

People already forgot about the opioid crisis and Mkinsey’s role in it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who is paying for the adolescent' surgeries? Is it covered by insurance, or the family pays cash?

There are very few adolescent surgeries fyi. There were 2 bottom surgeries on minors last year, and overwhelmingly the surgeries that do occur are mtf breast reduction.

I realize this. However, PPs wrote about 2 top surgeries on young girls that they personally know of, so I am asking about these.
Ultimately my question again goes to demographics. All this business is expensive and (probably) not covered by insurance. I can see a wealthy family indulging a child. What happens to a poor child that has similar inclinations?

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Anonymous wrote:Just wanted to say that I posted earlier about a young trans girl I know, but I only know because her mom is one of my best friends. She transitioned before kindergarten, so none of her friends, teachers, etc. know that she was born a boy. Virginia allows gender to be changed on a birth certificate and her parents have done that.

Just to say, you may know transgender children without being aware.

How can a 4 or 5 year old consent to something so life changing and irreversible? There are many studies which show a vast majority of gender non conforming kids with gender dysphoria outgrow it if allowed to go through puberty. Many of those kids grow up to be gay.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can’t they just be effeminate males or more masculine females? Wear what you want, do the activities you want? Date who you want? What causes the leap from this to trans?

This is what I don’t understand. Its as if kids are taught you don’t fit very masculine boy or very feminine girl, then maybe you must be non binary or switch genders.

Absolutely. It’s rigid thinking about gender, not the open mindedness that would be ideal. And a lot of young FTM are a result of being taught to hate themselves or fear sexual attention from male. The stats on trauma don’t lie. 100% people should be able to live how they want, but acting like it’s totally cool for somebody’s mental state to not match their biological one to the point they go on life changing drugs and have permanent surgeries should be cause for concern.